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Not everyone is American.
46" was the perfect size to use as a monitor too, since that is 96 PPI at 4K.
I think my current Sony TV from 2010 was the last time you could buy a flagship below 55".

Or we need to fit these TVs in an office for work. You should see the room where we did all of our PS4 Pro bootstrapping. Had just bought a new TV to replace our burnt out old stereoscopic 3D, doh, need to buy a 4K set. Doh, need to buy an HDR set.

I have a six year old 50" Panasonic plasma at home that is the perfect size for our viewing environment, but luckily with bezel reductions the 55" LG is only 1.5" or so wider, so it will squeeze in.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

So all the 2017 lineup from Sony and Samsung was revealed and most of them released right? We can't expect other new models to be released this summer or later this year?

 

[Theonik]

So all the 2017 lineup from Sony and Samsung was revealed and most of them released right? We can't expect other new models to be released this summer or later this year?

A1E is releasing this summer. We are still waiting on reviews of the XE94.
As for an eventual replacement of the Z9D the original was revealed later in the year but we have no indication either way.

 

[Anarion07]

First off, the oled's in the store are shutoff at the mains meaning the comp cycle is never run on them, period. This means all that static content is collecting and the comp cycle isn't run to get rid of it like it should, kinda like an etch a sketch ( am I showing my age here?).

I have a 65B6 that has 142hrs on it. I accidentally left it on when I left the house on PS4 youtube and it stopped at the next video screen with all the boxes on all over on a black screen. The screen was like this for almost 12hrs!?!!! I came home freaked out as at the time the tv only had 40hrs on it.

I saw clear image retention on grey screens and even colored screens. I ran one full comp cycle in the menu system and it got rid of 50% of it and then ran again immediately a second comp cycle and it was 100% clear!

Now you would think I would never make that mistake again right? Wrong! I did it again a month later and had to do two comp cycles to get rid of the image retention.

Now everyone has to keep in mind I turned off the absl in the service menu before all of this which auto dims a static image, so that was off and I had in the menu of the tv not to turn off or shift pixels and the PS4 I had the dim feature or sleep mode turned off. So this is the worst case scenario!

Having gone through this with oled I would 100% say they are totally fine for gaming. No way you would do what I did with gaming, ever!

How do you know how many hours your OLED has been on for? Have the same one and would love to know.
Also, dynamic, moving content will also mitigate image retention over time, not necessary to run the comp cycle twice for two hours (or just try to watch something for an hour and if you still see something then run a comp cycle).

 

[Madness]

So I'm considering jumping on either the Sony x900e or the x930e.

x900e: cheaper and has fald but doesn't have dolby vision
x930e: nits are really good but is edge lit

Well the X930E may be technically edge lit, but it is local dimming and gets very dark and coupled with it's ridiculous almost 1500 nits means you will see a huge difference for HDR. Also has better input lag. Dolby Vision, I don't know, I feel like it will take some time for universal adoption like HDR10, and by then, you will have HDMI 2.1 etc.

All the high end X930E/940E, ZD9,A1E don't have anything below 55 inches : https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2017/02/09/sonys-2017-tv-line-up-with-prices/#21e58ef93ab4

The X900E isn't high end. I doesn't support Dolby Vision and I don't expect it to have as much nits and otehr features like the others.

The Samsung Q7/8/9 this year don't have anything below 55 inches too.

55 inches shoulmdn't be the standard, not yet, not only because not all have huge space where to put but also bigger screens means much more expensive.
Also if there are are flaws in a stream or game like jaggies, you gonna see them accentued in a bigger screen.
49 inches is the best size space/price.

We have different definitions of high end then. I am saying that to have a 49" with FALD, almost 900 nits of brightness, 120hz panel, WCG is all but unheard of the past teo years. The 49" KS8000 was solid, but you would have worse black levels.

Sony will also have a 49" X800E which will probably not have any of those above features for cheaper. But point being, you have the chance at still getting a solid set at 49".

55" is already the standard. The shift happened about 4 years ago. It is the best selling size and so you will see more televisions only go as small as 55" for high end which you have pointed out.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Well the X930E may be technically edge lit, but it is local dimming and gets very dark and coupled with it's ridiculous almost 1500 nits means you will see a huge difference for HDR. Also has better input lag. Dolby Vision, I don't know, I feel like it will take some time for universal adoption like HDR10, and by then, you will have HDMI 2.1 etc.



We have different definitions of high end then. I am saying that to have a 49" with FALD, almost 900 nits of brightness, 120hz panel, WCG is all but unheard of the past teo years. The 49" KS8000 was solid, but you would have worse black levels.

Sony will also have a 49" X800E which will probably not have any of those above features for cheaper. But point being, you have the chance at still getting a solid set at 49".

55" is already the standard. The shift happened about 4 years ago. It is the best selling size and so you will see more televisions only go as small as 55" for high end which you have pointed out.

Where does it say that? I never stumbled on reviews mentioning that. Also the lack of Dolby Vision may be a big factor too.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

How do you know how many hours your OLED has been on for? Have the same one and would love to know.
Also, dynamic, moving content will also mitigate image retention over time, not necessary to run the comp cycle twice for two hours (or just try to watch something for an hour and if you still see something then run a comp cycle).

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About This TV

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Total Power On Time should be on bottom.

 

[holygeesus]

Only for US sets. Not on the EU ones. You have to access the service menu.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

How to see the changelogs of every firmware updates for TVs? I searched even on the internet but I couldn't find any.

 

[J-Rzez]

A1E is releasing this summer.

Next month.

 

[KevinG]

You enabled Deep Color on the TV for that HDMI input right?

Yup. It's enabled.

I actually had the same question awhile ago. From what I tested, they seem to work well, but honestly I didn't test them thoroughly on different sources, only on the PS4 Pro. I am pretty sure I read it's a 4K/60 2.0 HDMI cable somewhere so I imagine that you should be fine with them. I also got some Monoprice 4k/60 2.0 HDMI cables and they seem to be very close when I compared them. When I checked the PS4 Pro, it said HDCP 2.2 on both the pack in PS4 Pro cables and the Monoprice if I remember correctly.

When I check what the output is from the PS4 Pro menu, it says that 4K may not be supported because I'm using a HDMI 1.4 cable, even though I'm using the cable that comes with the Pro.

 

[Kyoufu]

Yup. It's enabled.

Are you sure?

 

[holygeesus]

Is HDCP enabled in system settings?

 

[KevinG]

Are you sure?

Positive.

Is HDCP enabled in system settings?

Yup.

For some odd reason, it says my HDCP is 2.2 now. Should I have it set to YUV420 or RGB? It currently shows a message about the color format being YUV422 or YUV420 instead of RGB due to HDMI 2.0 limitations.

Not even sure how or if this is effecting things.

 

[holygeesus]

Positive.



Yup.

For some odd reason, it says my HDCP is 2.2 now. Should I have it set to YUV420 or RGB? It currently shows a message about the color format being YUV422 or YUV420 instead of RGB due to HDMI 2.0 limitations.

Not even sure how or if this is effecting things.

Sometimes, I find that if I turn to the PS4 input while the PS4 Pro is still starting up, it gets a bit screwy during the handshaking stage, which might be what is happening for you. I'd recommend letting the PS4 start up completely (when the controller glows blue) then switch to the PS4 input.

As for settings, I don't believe the PS4 auto settings work correctly, despite what people say, so I'd recommend the following:

Resolution 2160p RGB
RGB Range Limited (if your B6 is set to black level low)
The other two settings can be left auto.

This ensures your black level is set correctly, and HDR output is forced to YUV422 rather than the 420 that auto defaults to.

 

[Kyoufu]

Positive.



Yup.

For some odd reason, it says my HDCP is 2.2 now. Should I have it set to YUV420 or RGB? It currently shows a message about the color format being YUV422 or YUV420 instead of RGB due to HDMI 2.0 limitations.

Not even sure how or if this is effecting things.

Sounds like it's working as intended. You'll want 2160p RGB in the resolution setting. The Pro will automatically set it to YUV 422 when HDR content is playing due to HDMI limitations.

 

[Art Vandilay]

Yeah I just not be able to send PMs. Is there any other way you could send it to me? Maybe upload it to Dropbox or Google drive and post the link?

Or PM me your email and I'll email you.

I tried sending one with my email, but it's not showing up in my sent messages. Let me know if you get it though. TV Superstores has it for just $30 more if you want to go ahead and screen grab that.

 

[Theonik]

Next month.

Derp why did I think July.

 

[Madness]

Where does it say that? I never stumbled on reviews mentioning that. Also the lack of Dolby Vision may be a big factor too.

Rtings review. The peak 2% window is almost 900 nits. Which with a FALD panel and deeper blacks, should still give you a pretty great HDR picture. Again, you are NEVER going to get the perfect set you want, especially at a size going increasingly niche. As for Dolby Vision, again, you are not going to find many tv's with it at 49". You also aren't going to make use of it much yet with UHD discs only being HDR10 etc. Maybe hold off then until next year, see if another set comes out that has more of what you want, possibly HDMI 2.1

 

[Lima]

Interestingly enough Dolby Vision now has a software based solution. I would assume most TV's with a strong enough processor that still get firmware updates will end up getting it.

 

[TheMan]

Looking for a TV for gaming, 1080p 32 to 40 inches, up to $250. I don't regularly pay attention to TV tech I'm kind of overwhelmed with all the options (last time I bought a TV, plasma was still the hotness.) Any suggestions? Thanks!

 

[TheBoss1]

Looking for a TV for gaming, 1080p 32 to 40 inches, up to $250. I don't regularly pay attention to TV tech I'm kind of overwhelmed with all the options (last time I bought a TV, plasma was still the hotness.) Any suggestions? Thanks!

Good luck!

 

[finalflame]

Hey guys, so I just contacted someone locally about getting a professional calibration and they said the only do SDR calibration on the B6 due to difficulty in using the built-in adjustments to calibrate for HDR.

Is this standard fare for the B6, or have others gotten their B6s calibrated for HDR?

 

[TheMan]

Good luck!

what's a more realistic budget?

 

[Art Vandilay]

Hey guys, so I just contacted someone locally about getting a professional calibration and they said the only do SDR calibration on the B6 due to difficulty in using the built-in adjustments to calibrate for HDR.

Is this standard fare for the B6, or have others gotten their B6s calibrated for HDR?

I'm about to calibrate mine tonight, at least to an extent. Just picked up the Planet Earth 2 bluray during my lunch.

 

[finalflame]

I'm about to calibrate mine tonight, at least to an extent. Just picked up the Planet Earth 2 bluray during my lunch.

Awesome, my Planet Earth 2 should be in my mailbox some time today as well. Do you mind sharing what methods/equipment you'll be using to calibrate? A calibration DVD or do you own a colorimeter?

 

[Weevilone]

Hey guys, so I just contacted someone locally about getting a professional calibration and they said the only do SDR calibration on the B6 due to difficulty in using the built-in adjustments to calibrate for HDR.

Is this standard fare for the B6, or have others gotten their B6s calibrated for HDR?

I think in general the HDR calibration is a bit of wild, wild west. There is a lack of tools and references at the moment. I'd highly recommend looking on AVS for calibrators, but I think it's a bit murky at the moment for HDR. Not really B6 specific imo either.

 

[Art Vandilay]

Awesome, my Planet Earth 2 should be in my mailbox some time today as well. Do you mind sharing what methods/equipment you'll be using to calibrate? A calibration DVD or do you own a colorimeter?

Haha I have no equipment, that's why I'll only be calibrating to an extent. I'll be using my eyes alone. Not about to touch the 2 or 20 point settings, and you shouldn't either as that varies by panel. I'll share my results though.

I posted a couple pages back, but a guy from DF said one of their guys was working on a B6 calibration article. Hopefully that will be up soon.

 

[Theonik]

Interestingly enough Dolby Vision now has a software based solution. I would assume most TV's with a strong enough processor that still get firmware updates will end up getting it.

First software based Dolby solution was in Sony's X1 Extreme Processor and it was what prompted Dolby to offer that. (well and the fact the DV was DOA otherwise.)

As of now it remains the only chip that is capable of doing DV in software though later chips might also be able to do it but is unlikely that last year's sets can or many sets released this year for that matter.

 

[Night Hunter]

Does anyone know if you have to contact Sony directly for a 100" Z9D? Friend of a friend is thinking about buying one, however I can't find it anywhere.

 

[holygeesus]

Hey guys, so I just contacted someone locally about getting a professional calibration and they said the only do SDR calibration on the B6 due to difficulty in using the built-in adjustments to calibrate for HDR.

Is this standard fare for the B6, or have others gotten their B6s calibrated for HDR?

HDR calibration pretty much equates to just leaving everything at default, except changing colour gamut to Normal and turning off all processing. Lowering OLED Light or Contrast from 100 does nasty things that can't be corrected apparently.

 

[Art Vandilay]

HDR calibration pretty much equates to just leaving everything at default, except changing colour gamut to Normal and turning off all processing. Lowering OLED Light or Contrast from 100 does nasty things that can't be corrected apparently.

Do you set the TV to HDR standard?

 

[Lima]

HDR calibration pretty much equates to just leaving everything at default, except changing colour gamut to Normal and turning off all processing. Lowering OLED Light or Contrast from 100 does nasty things that can't be corrected apparently.

Greyscale

 

[Art Vandilay]

I just got home but think I've already got Planet Earth looking pretty damn good.

HDR standard, OLED 100, contrast 100, brightness 50, sharpness 10, color 55, tint 0, color temp warm 1, color gamut normal, tru motion de-judder 3 de-blur 0, and all other post processing turned off.

Give this a shot and let me know what you think. Looks great to me.

First time I can say I've truly been wowed by this TV.

 

[Yawnny]

... Lowering OLED Light or Contrast from 100 does nasty things that can't be corrected apparently.

I'm curious what downside lowering the OLED light does? I popped on some Samurai Gourmet on Netflix which is Dolby Vision HDR.

I was loving the look of it, but the level of OLED light was causing my eyes to strain and water. I lowed from 100 to 70 and it helped quite a bit.. and still enjoyed the look of the show.

On a side note: Are there any OT's for 4K UHD's coming out that I can follow? I want to have a thread to follow so I can bug people for when 4K Matrix Trilogy is going to come out

 

[finalflame]

I just got home but think I've already got Planet Earth looking pretty damn good.

HDR standard, OLED 100, contrast 100, brightness 50, sharpness 10, color 55, tint 0, color temp warm 1, color gamut normal, tru motion de-judder 3 de-blur 0, and all other post processing turned off.

Give this a shot and let me know what you think. Looks great to me.

First time I can say I've truly been wowed by this TV.

Awesome -- gonna give it a shot once I get my PE2 in the mail today. Are these settings specific to HDR?

 

[Metalstrike]

First 65" B7 OLED available at Costco.

https://m.costco.com/LG-65"-Class-(64.5"-Diag.)-4K-Ultra-HD-OLED-TV.product.100343124.html

$4950 with $200 cash card

For those that don't know, the B7 is the Costco variant of the C7. They should be identical internally.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

First software based Dolby solution was in Sony's X1 Extreme Processor and it was what prompted Dolby to offer that. (well and the fact the DV was DOA otherwise.)

As of now it remains the only chip that is capable of doing DV in software though later chips might also be able to do it but is unlikely that last year's sets can or many sets released this year for that matter.

I think it's Disney who pushed Sony, Disney had a small part in Dolby Vision. Disney created the tone mapping algorithm that's present in Dolby Vision, which is why it resolves more detail up to 4000 nits or more without noticeable artifacts.

Also Disney has already done HDR passes on their content.

 

[Chumley]

First 65" B7 OLED available at Costco.

https://m.costco.com/LG-65"-Class-(64.5"-Diag.)-4K-Ultra-HD-OLED-TV.product.100343124.html

$4950 with $200 cash card

Absolutely nuts price.

I wonder how many more years before OLED's launch at a reasonable MSRP...

 

[Metalingus5150]

First 65" B7 OLED available at Costco.

https://m.costco.com/LG-65"-Class-(64.5"-Diag.)-4K-Ultra-HD-OLED-TV.product.100343124.html

$4950 with $200 cash card

For those that don't know, the B7 is the Costco variant of the C7. They should be identical internally.

I can't fathom spending so much on a TV.

 

[Kyoufu]

I can't fathom spending so much on a TV.

It's something I use every day for many hours, so I can totally fathom paying a premium.

 

[Reallink]

First 65" B7 OLED available at Costco.

https://m.costco.com/LG-65"-Class-(64.5"-Diag.)-4K-Ultra-HD-OLED-TV.product.100343124.html

$4950 with $200 cash card

For those that don't know, the B7 is the Costco variant of the C7. They should be identical internally.

Wait, huh? At CES the B7 was announced as the entry model with a cheaper design (bezel and stand) than the C7. Have they made it the warehouse model now?

It's something I use every day for many hours, so I can totally fathom paying a premium.

The problem's more that the 65" B6 and C6 have routinely sold for $2999 and less for the past 6 months or so. The MSRP is preposterous and will undoubtedly drop like a rock in very short order.

 

[Metalstrike]

Wait, huh? At CES the B7 was announced as the entry model with a cheaper design (bezel and stand) than the C7. Have they made it the warehouse model now?

Yeah, I recall reading about someone who was at CES and heard that the B7 was going to be the warehouse version of the C7, in the USA at least.

 

[Madness]

I can't fathom spending so much on a TV.

Have you never bought cutting edge television technology in the past 17 years? It is crazy you can get a 65" OLED for under $5 with 4K and HDR already. Also think how much you use a television day in day out for years.

 

[KevinG]

I just got home but think I've already got Planet Earth looking pretty damn good.

HDR standard, OLED 100, contrast 100, brightness 50, sharpness 10, color 55, tint 0, color temp warm 1, color gamut normal, tru motion de-judder 3 de-blur 0, and all other post processing turned off.

Give this a shot and let me know what you think. Looks great to me.

First time I can say I've truly been wowed by this TV.

This post right here makes me wish I had a 4K Bluray player.

 

[Metalingus5150]

Have you never bought cutting edge television technology in the past 17 years? It is crazy you can get a 65" OLED for under $5 with 4K and HDR already. Also think how much you use a television day in day out for years.

I've only recently become interested in the world of high end tv's. Most I'd probably spend is 1300. Even then that's with me putting most of it on my credit card.

 

[Weevilone]

Have you never bought cutting edge television technology in the past 17 years? It is crazy you can get a 65" OLED for under $5 with 4K and HDR already. Also think how much you use a television day in day out for years.

I think my first HDTV was $6300. I think it was purchased in 2003 and was a heck of a buy at that time. It's amazing what that same money will buy today, let alone with inflation.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Despicable Me 1-2 confirmed to be one of the first titles with Dolby Vision/HDR10 on same disc.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=51840233

Source is multiple, from retail and Bluray.com and its forum.

 

[shantyman]

So the last thing holding me back from getting the 930d is the input lag (~55ms in 4k HDR). Coming from a plasma would it be a terrible mistake?

I play only single player games, nothing online or competitively if that matters.

 

[Jigolo]

So the last thing holding me back from getting the 930d is the input lag (~55ms in 4k HDR). Coming from a plasma would it be a terrible mistake?

I play only single player games, nothing online or competitively if that matters.

55ms is still a terrible mistake even if you only play single player games.