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Winter Anime 2017 |OT| John Wick cleaning up KyoAni's mess

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MetroidPrimeRib

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Oh guess we are ending on Iruru.

Line_HTX said:
How good is Kase-san and Morning Glories? Asking for a friend.
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pretty good
 
Trojita

Trojita

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Does anyone know what the fuck was up with that one visual effect in Blue Exorcist Season 2 that would appear when flames were on the screen?

I thought there was something wrong with my plasma tv being unable to display the brightness of what was happening on the screen till I found out it was in the source.

It's like a Super Dirty Screen Effect that obscures most of the screen.
 
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NaDannMaGoGo

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Paltheos said:
I don't know when it's supposed to get good, but I dropped it 6 episodes in, a couple more than I'd usually give because I felt I was unfairly bias against the paradigm between the two, male leads (particularly the VA choices were exactly the same for another similar relationship in another KyoAni show I do not like, and I gave myself time to separate the two).

I couldn't get into it though. A user on another forum put it best, "It's like watching beautiful paint dry." Hyouka is impressively creative with its visual presentation but nearly every other element of the production is fantastically boring.
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Well, the writing is strong, too, with easily one of the best characterizations in anime as far as I'm concerned, and when the visuals are so impressively creative I fail to see how the overall production could possibly end up being so 'fantastically boring'.
 
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GoldCrusader

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Trojita said:
Does anyone know what the fuck was up with that one visual effect in Blue Exorcist Season 2 that would appear when flames were on the screen?

I thought there was something wrong with my plasma tv being unable to display the brightness of what was happening on the screen till I found out it was in the source.

It's like a Super Dirty Screen Effect that obscures most of the screen.
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It's dimming that broadcaster force on shows.
 
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phaze

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Sign me up in the LWA is weaksauce camp. Outside of issues with the script, I don't think even direction stands up to scrutiny outside of select moments, it's mostly bland, even the Kobayashi episode.


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Not a fan of how they went all the way with ghosts'n stuff in this. Much prefer it as a down to earth drama.


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That bit is still as ridiculous as ever but I've to say that on the rewatch, I'm appreciating Kumiko arc in S1 more than I did earlier. Now if they only stopped with the cringy "I want to be special" line repeated ad nauseum.
 
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GaimeGuy

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A follow up to my earlier post:

GaimeGuy said:
Watched Testament of New Devil Sister season 1.


... Why does an ecchi anime (that straddles the line between second and third base in every episode) have such good action sequences and animation?
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Story is: I'm a regular viewer of Floe's twitch, and he has a sub only discord. Several discord members do regular group watches of anime on rabbit amd synchtube.

I've been a somewhat fairweather anime/manga fan over the last decade, watching and reading shounen like FMA:Brotherhood, Naruto, and One Piece, occasionally getting into a cult favorite like Mawaru Penguindrum, or smash hits like Madoka and OPM, but really, these 6 series and their mangas, along with whatever has been aired on Toonami, are probably 95% of all the content I've seen over the last 7-10 years.


Enter the Floe sub discord weeb nights, which has exposed me to classics I always wanted to watch like Hajime no Ippo (been watching on and off, need to sit down and marathon everything anime and manga one of these months) and Great Teacher Onizuka ( see: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=227633518 )

It has also exposed me to, uh, modern ecchi/harem shows like Interview of Monster Girls, Testament of Sister New Devil, and High School DxD. The line between soft H and harem ecchi comedy has certainly been blurred even further since Girls Bravo (which, along with Tenchi GXP, are probably the most recent series of the genre I've watched prior to my latest binge; As you can see, there's a good 5-10 year gap of content.)

I'm kind of surprised at the quality of animation and fight scenes in shows like Testament of Sister New Devil and Highschool Dxd, although the fanservicy scenes, shots, and interactions make my eyes roll and are sometimes almost too cringeworthy to handle (But hey, the seamless transitions from battle shounen to romantic slice of life comedy to absurdist harem hatewatch and back again are part of the charm, I guess.).

Also, I must say, Highschool Dxd season 1 might have the greatest ED in the history of television. https://youtu.be/vTgT-mGwuQA. >_>
 
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Line_HTX

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Porygon got banned from the entire planet for sending 700 kids to the hospital.

Are there any anime that still uses that message on the top of the screen at the start of episodes telling you to watch in a well-lit room and sit back at a good distance away from the TV?
 
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Ascheroth

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GaimeGuy said:
A follow up to my earlier post:




Story is: I'm a regular viewer of Floe's twitch, and he has a sub only discord. Several discord members do regular group watches of anime on rabbit amd synchtube.

I've been a somewhat fairweather anime/manga fan over the last decade, watching and reading shounen like FMA:Brotherhood, Naruto, and One Piece, occasionally getting into a cult favorite like Mawaru Penguindrum, or smash hits like Madoka and OPM, but really, these 6 series and their mangas, along with whatever has been aired on Toonami, are probably 95% of all the content I've seen over the last 7-10 years.


Enter the Floe sub discord weeb nights, which has exposed me to classics I always wanted to watch like Hajime no Ippo (been watching on and off, need to sit down and marathon everything anime and manga one of these months) and Great Teacher Onizuka ( see: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=227633518 )

It has also exposed me to, uh, modern ecchi/harem shows like Interview of Monster Girls, Testament of Sister New Devil, and High School DxD. The line between soft H and harem ecchi comedy has certainly been blurred even further since Girls Bravo (which, along with Tenchi GXP, are probably the most recent series of the genre I've watched prior to my latest binge; As you can see, there's a good 5-10 year gap of content.)

I'm kind of surprised at the quality of animation and fight scenes in shows like Testament of Sister New Devil and Highschool Dxd, although the fanservicy scenes, shots, and interactions make my eyes roll and are sometimes almost too cringeworthy to handle (But hey, the seamless transitions from battle shounen to romantic slice of life comedy to absurdist harem hatewatch and back again are part of the charm, I guess.).

Also, I must say, Highschool Dxd season 1 might have the greatest ED in the history of television. https://youtu.be/vTgT-mGwuQA. >_>
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I guess they sell boatloads of uncensored BDs and lewd merchandise? Or the stuff is talented/motivated/obsessed enough to deliver on a standard budget anyways. Like Konosubas animation director who made sure to 'correct' breast physics and other stuff in every episode he handled.

Also, seeing that you have mentioned OPM but not Mob Psycho 100, have watched the latter? Because that is a showcase of amazing animation and style.

And watch Thunderbolt Fantasy as well.
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Trojita

Trojita

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hosannainexcelsis said:
Yes, after the infamous Pokemon seizure incident, Japanese TV broadcasters have enforced required dimming on animated scenes featuring quick motion or flashing. The standards on what and how much to dim varies from channel to channel.
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Lame, but I do feel bad for people that get seizures too. The thing is that nothing in those shots looked like they would cause a seizure.
 
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Paltheos

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NaDannMaGoGo said:
Well, the writing is strong, too, with easily one of the best characterizations in anime as far as I'm concerned, and when the visuals are so impressively creative I fail to see how the overall production could possibly end up being so 'fantastically boring'.
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Which part of the writing is strong? What I see is a bunch of people sitting around solving mysteries that don't personally advance their characters in a meaningful way and discussing them in a manner that doesn't reveal anything about them beyond the superficial attributes to their characters.

On the first point, the show says the mysteries matter to our heroine - She says it's imperative to understand and accept who she is now - But the resolution of that first episode gives nothing tantalizing to the viewer, and the heroine herself appears happy and healthy (if sheltered and a little too into mysteries) despite her objections so I don't feel any stakes in getting to the bottom of whatever it is that's bothering her.

What we see of the characters is... limited to obnoxious. "Mr. Database", as I can't be bothered to look up his name is an emotionally distant guy who takes pride in that somehow he has bits of knowledge from like everything, and makes it a point to remind everyone and the audience that he's a database who doesn't come up with ideas blahblahblah. He's the easiest to pick on because his shtick is straight-up obnoxious but the rest of the cast doesn't really contribute that much themselves, and why should they? The mysteries, however detailed, are ultimately mundane and not personally involving and we rarely see the group in personal settings.

This isn't necessarily bad, mind you, if this was a pure mystery show (which it's not because it clearly wants to be a character show too but hold off on that) but the mysteries themselves aren't that great either. Take episode 6, the last episode I saw. The mystery revolves around how the math teacher, a normally organized and on-the-ball dude, somehow lost his place in the class he was teaching. The resolution, as it turns out (or at least the purported resolution, since we can't know for sure, and allegedly what's more important is just satisfying the heroine's insatiable curiosity), is that as a math teacher he wrote the class letters in lower case and probably mixed up 1-a and 1-d which were at different points in the lesson plan. What?! The class letters on the room signposts are written in upper case. This isn't just misleading for the viewer, it's totally unintuitive period. Why would an organized, math-minded person purposefully dissociate his written notes from provided sign posts in the building? How would he, after manually writing class codes in his notebook not realize the pitfall of losing his spot by using similar-looking letters? There's nothing to say that the answer couldn't be this mundane and stupid though, but that doesn't make for an interesting mystery. And there's nothing to say that maybe this is totally wrong and just something the hero made up to satisfy the heroine's inquisitiveness but then what's the point? Like so much of Hyouka, the presentation here, the dummies in their imaginary classroom and all the playful animation, are neat to look at, but what's going on is nothing.
 
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Crimson_Echidna

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Line_HTX said:
Porygon got banned from the entire planet for sending 700 kids to the hospital.

Are there any anime that still uses that message on the top of the screen at the start of episodes telling you to watch in a well-lit room and sit back at a good distance away from the TV?
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The most recent one I remember doing so was Fairy Tail.
 
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PshycoNinja

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NaDannMaGoGo said:
Well, the writing is strong, too, with easily one of the best characterizations in anime as far as I'm concerned, and when the visuals are so impressively creative I fail to see how the overall production could possibly end up being so 'fantastically boring'.
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I agree.

Hyouka is amazing in terms of writing, characterization, and visual storytelling and symbolism. I can see where people come from when they call it boring, but I just don't agree with that assertion.
 
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Dedication Through Light

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I guess sentai is going in on Anime Strike?

Sentai Filmworks announced on Wednesday that it has licensed the Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? Sword Oratoria anime under the title Sword Oratoria: Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? On the Side. The company plans to simulcast the series in the United States on Amazon's Anime Strike streaming service, with new episodes every Friday starting on April 14. The company is also planning a home video release.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...anime-plans-simulcast-on-anime-strike/.114102
 
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Jex

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Jarmel said:
Little Witch Academia-12

Diana somehow pulls the best duty/job in a game of pure chance? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? This is straight up insulting. It's completely goddamn random and she somehow tops out the fucking luck meter too? Oh and Diana you're head of the Festival despite being a freshman. Seniors what? Who?
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This doesn't feel like Trigger gives a shit. I'm not just talking about the animation value but the level of energy in the work. It just comes across as a way of passing time for both the audience and staff. This is precisely why you need a good script at the core of any anime production.
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Welcome, friend.It feels like it's been a long time coming, but I can see you're finally on the "LWA is actually pretty bad" wagon. It's a surprisingly lazy show, isn't it? From a writing perspective, I mean.
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The real fans finally showed up. Jarmel destroyed!
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No, Jarmel has finally realised the truth. Other people just refuse to see the sheer scale of Trigger's incompetence.
 
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hosannainexcelsis

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Paltheos said:
Which part of the writing is strong? What I see is a bunch of people sitting around solving mysteries that don't personally advance their characters in a meaningful way and discussing them in a manner that doesn't reveal anything about them beyond the superficial attributes to their characters.

On the first point, the show says the mysteries matter to our heroine - She says it's imperative to understand and accept who she is now - But the resolution of that first episode gives nothing tantalizing to the viewer, and the heroine herself appears happy and healthy (if sheltered and a little too into mysteries) despite her objections so I don't feel any stakes in getting to the bottom of whatever it is that's bothering her.

What we see of the characters is... limited to obnoxious. "Mr. Database", as I can't be bothered to look up his name is an emotionally distant guy who takes pride in that somehow he has bits of knowledge from like everything, and makes it a point to remind everyone and the audience that he's a database who doesn't come up with ideas blahblahblah. He's the easiest to pick on because his shtick is straight-up obnoxious but the rest of the cast doesn't really contribute that much themselves, and why should they? The mysteries, however detailed, are ultimately mundane and not personally involving and we rarely see the group in personal settings.

This isn't necessarily bad, mind you, if this was a pure mystery show (which it's not because it clearly wants to be a character show too but hold off on that) but the mysteries themselves aren't that great either. Take episode 6, the last episode I saw. The mystery revolves around how the math teacher, a normally organized and on-the-ball dude, somehow lost his place in the class he was teaching. The resolution, as it turns out (or at least the purported resolution, since we can't know for sure, and allegedly what's more important is just satisfying the heroine's insatiable curiosity), is that as a math teacher he wrote the class letters in lower case and probably mixed up 1-a and 1-d which were at different points in the lesson plan. What?! The class letters on the room signposts are written in upper case. This isn't just misleading for the viewer, it's totally unintuitive period. Why would an organized, math-minded person purposefully dissociate his written notes from provided sign posts in the building? How would he, after manually writing class codes in his notebook not realize the pitfall of losing his spot by using similar-looking letters? There's nothing to say that the answer couldn't be this mundane and stupid though, but that doesn't make for an interesting mystery. And there's nothing to say that maybe this is totally wrong and just something the hero made up to satisfy the heroine's inquisitiveness but then what's the point? Like so much of Hyouka, the presentation here, the dummies in their imaginary classroom and all the playful animation, are neat to look at, but what's going on is nothing.
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If you've only watched through episode 6, you haven't really seen what people love Hyouka so much for. Most people agree that episode 6 is the weakest episode of the show due to the vapidness of the focused mystery, though I don't mind the episode myself. The long-term character development over the entire series is what makes Hyouka stand out, in addition to the extremely strong production values.
 
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firehawk12

Subete no aware
Paltheos said:
I don't know when it's supposed to get good, but I dropped it 6 episodes in, a couple more than I'd usually give because I felt I was unfairly bias against the paradigm between the two, male leads (particularly the VA choices were exactly the same for another similar relationship in another KyoAni show I do not like, and I gave myself time to separate the two).

I couldn't get into it though. A user on another forum put it best, "It's like watching beautiful paint dry." Hyouka is impressively creative with its visual presentation but nearly every other element of the production is fantastically boring.
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It's like Sherlock if it was set in a high school, with the "cases" scaled down to fit with the setting. Except that Hyouka doesn't turn into parody of itself half way through its run. lol

I think your enjoyment comes from how much you're interested in these tropes though. You basically have the same characters - Watson, Adler, Mycroft, Moriarty - with the same relationship dynamics. And if you'd rather see Cabbagepatch act like he's high and solve convoluted crimes with his Hobbit friend, then I can see it being a bit dull in comparison. lol
 
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hosannainexcelsis

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firehawk12 said:
It's like Sherlock if it was set in a high school, with the "cases" scaled down to fit with the setting. Except that Hyouka doesn't turn into parody of itself half way through its run. lol

I think your enjoyment comes from how much you're interested in these tropes though. You basically have the same characters - Watson, Adler, Mycroft, Moriarty - with the same relationship dynamics. And if you'd rather see Cabbagepatch act like he's high and solve convoluted crimes with his Hobbit friend, then I can see it being a bit dull in comparison. lol
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Oreki is just sullen and antisocial, not a psychopath though.
 
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GoldCrusader

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Dedication Through Light said:
I guess sentai is going in on Anime Strike?

Sentai Filmworks announced on Wednesday that it has licensed the Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? Sword Oratoria anime under the title Sword Oratoria: Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? On the Side. The company plans to simulcast the series in the United States on Amazon's Anime Strike streaming service, with new episodes every Friday starting on April 14. The company is also planning a home video release.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...anime-plans-simulcast-on-anime-strike/.114102
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Did they abandon the Anime network? Isn't that their own site?

I'm reading that it's exclusive too? Sentai snubbing Crunchyroll. That would be bad.
 
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JulianImp

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Line_HTX said:
Are there any anime that still uses that message on the top of the screen at the start of episodes telling you to watch in a well-lit room and sit back at a good distance away from the TV?
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I remember seeing that warning on Detective Conan eps I helped sub slightly over a hundred episodes ago, so I guess it's still doing that nowadays. It might be because it's mainly aimed at kids, though.
 
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NaDannMaGoGo

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hosannainexcelsis said:
If you've only watched through episode 6, you haven't really seen what people love Hyouka so much for. Most people agree that episode 6 is the weakest episode of the show due to the vapidness of the focused mystery, though I don't mind the episode myself. The long-term character development over the entire series is what makes Hyouka stand out, in addition to the extremely strong production values.
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Pretty much. I personally value consistency highly and with each passing episode I got a clearer idea of who these characters are and how they became that way. All that without a slew heavy narration and flashbacks. Consistent mannerisms and behaviors play a much bigger role for that.

Now, that does take a while and even though I was enjoying the show fairly quickly overall, it wasn't until roughly the half point where I realized just how fully realized these characters feel and how much better every scene is thanks to that.

"Mr. Database", as I can't be bothered to look up his name is an emotionally distant guy who takes pride in that somehow he has bits of knowledge from like everything, and makes it a point to remind everyone and the audience that he's a database who doesn't come up with ideas blahblahblah
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Mr. Database gets more nuanced than that and in turn it might make you think differently about him bringing up his database-ish memory and such all the time.
Insecurities play a role in all that.

So to me, once the characters felt so damn well realized and I could empathize with them easily, especially Oreki and Chitanda, and the visual direction continued to shine brilliantly, well, even the more mundane mysteries were fun to follow. The character relationships and interactions were what mattered the most after all. Keeping the mysteries fairly mundane helped focusing on that, too, and kept the entire thing grounded.
 
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Quasar

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Ascheroth said:
What does this mean for not-US?
Will it be on regular Prime there?
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Yep. Assuming they have rights for that country.

Good to see Amazon making a go of it. I just hope they can sort out their subtitles as this season on Prime Video in Australia they frequently put simulcast episodes up without English subs.
 
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GoldCrusader

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So what does Amazon have this season so far? Sword Oratoria, Re:Creators and Atom The Beginning are the ones we know.

I am gonna suppose everything else sentai license will go to amazon too. Hummm I really hope Anime strike stay US exclusive for now.
 
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Quasar

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GoldCrusader said:
So what does Amazon have this season so far? Sword Oratoria, Re:Creators and Atom The Beginning are the ones we know.

I am gonna suppose everything else sentai license will go to amazon too. Hummm I really hope Anime strike stay US exclusive for now.
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Plus Saekano S2.
 
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Line_HTX said:
Big mistake there, Sentai...
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really don't know why it would be a big mistake.
I imagine they only did it because they got a really good offer for it.
if you normally make lets say $10 for a series (super low to make it obvious I am not trying to guess it) and amazon offered you $20, I imagine it would be an easy choice.

On the flip side though, this is a pain. I'm not adding $160 a year to watch some anime series... guess I will just hope a different site gets it somewhere else and use a VPN or something. Or if I can't wait for the dvd release :/
 
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