Samurai G0SU
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So youre saying this is MS damage control?
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So youre saying this is MS damage control?
Jimmyfenix
Member
Jez mentioned that.
Currently scorpio doesn't run at 6TF and a june update will fix this but in that time "leaks" might have come out of the system not meeting it's targets or something
Papacheeks
Banned
Where is cuphead btw? Also seas of theives is a mostly social/online experience type of game kind of the issue I and others bring up about their current slate of games. Is all xbox is good for is online? Because that seems to be their primary focus especailly with bringing the games as a service model into their big franchises like halo, gears etc.
Shinobi talked about it a while back I think in the scalebound thread and brought up Phil Harrison and how he changed how people at XBox and Microsoft looked/approached their library.
Want to know why Horizon and the slew of Eastern games that have released are not only getting praise and selling with zelda included? It's because they are games, no mircotransactoins or giant DLC's. Maybe in zelda's case, but the game is so huge it 's 100% optional and a non issue. MS has changed the way they approach games from the 360 days, and not for the better.
Rare shouldn't be making a online experience game, they should be making a great single player game with optional multiplayer if it makes sense. They have such a great history with single player experiences. Multiplayer is something they have experience in, but it pales in comparison to their single player gameplay and creativity.
How many platformers do XBox have? How many narrative style games do they have(until dawn, heavy rain)? How many action adventure games? Only a couple but I can tell you how many third person style shooter games, first person shooter, online multiplayer focused games they have.
But jrpg's don't sell on this console. That's the point. And it's not like sony is developing nier or persona 5 or nioh, these are just 3rd party games. MS would need to fund these jrpg's knowing that they won't sell.
And don't get me wrong, I would die for a Lost Odyssey 2.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
They're going to release PS5. Not announce. Release.
LukasTaves
Member
Exactly.
Like this year for some reason games like PoE and Cities Skylines doesn't exist when people say 1st party is weak and 3rd party isn't making exclusives for xbone, despite both of the announcement threads being riled up with why no ps4 posts XD
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I don't think PS5 is coming sooner than holiday 2019 or 2020. I have nothing but a gut feeling, but, just don't buy that it will.
MeisterLeder
Banned
I think that PS4 Pro never only happened for 4k etc it probably happened too to keep the current generation on healthy hardware and to make this gen longer.
The earliest i think a PS5 will drop could be in 2021.
The PS5 will not be coming out until 10nm/7nm fabrication is ready. Both the PS4 pro and Scorpio are only here because 14nm fabrication became a viable option.
Wut
Xbox has the best platformer of this generation, Ori and the blind forest, and a sequel is coming.
Narrative style games? Quantum Break, D4. No one bought them.
Action adventure? Sunset Overdrive and Ryse, and no one bought them either.
If maybe people started fucking buying these games maybe we'd get more of them.
Xbox also has Killer Instinct.
Cuphead should be out this year.
What hardware do Sony have to show?
That's what this is about, Phil Spencer has repeatedly said that games won't get enough time at E3 if they talk about Scorpio in detail, which is why it's being detailed before.
It seems like they just don't have what you want and you don't care for multiplayer. How many big multiplayer/coop games does Sony have? Not as many as MS and they don't have as many narrative focused games as Sony and that's fine. Horizon is a hit and getting praised because it's a great game. Microsoft could achieve this with Sea of Thieves in the same way that Ark or Days 2 Die did across the gaming community. They're doing different things, it's not for you and that's cool.
I kind of agree with your point on Rare, but eh let em do what they want. They're getting back in and SOT looks good.
Oh lawd
PS4 Slim(er)? Hardware wise, I very much they even need anything.
Software, they are covered soundly.
I agree this does frustrate, I don't really understand how this perception has spread since they've made many attempts like Sunset Overdrive and Quantum Break albeit they were relatively unsuccessful.
I think if MS focused on their biggest weakness in IP, which I would say is AAA RPGS, JRPGs and adventure style games, they'd begin changing that perception. Nobody still knows nothing about what kind of games we have coming for this E3. Last years E3 had literally no new announced games they were all known games, can't be a coincidence right?
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Well then....
From excitement to negativity, kinda. A deep dive into what Scorpio is sounds great but what he said about first party just sounds bad. But at the same time not surprising at all. They only have so many studios and Phil said it as well, it's something they need to work on and I seriously hope they do. Goddamn how amazing would that Scorpio launch have been if it had tons of awesome exclusives to offer, plus certainty about a great future in terms of that?
Don't get me wrong, Crackdown can and hopefully will prove itself to be an awesome and great looking game and hopefully Sea of Thieves and SOD 2 as well. At the end of the day though, E3 hasn't happened yet and it would surprise me if they don't have a single new IP next to Halo 6 and likely Forza Horizon 4 next year.
From excitement to negativity, kinda. A deep dive into what Scorpio is sounds great but what he said about first party just sounds bad. But at the same time not surprising at all. They only have so many studios and Phil said it as well, it's something they need to work on and I seriously hope they do. Goddamn how amazing would that Scorpio launch have been if it had tons of awesome exclusives to offer, plus certainty about a great future in terms of that?
Don't get me wrong, Crackdown can and hopefully will prove itself to be an awesome and great looking game and hopefully Sea of Thieves and SOD 2 as well. At the end of the day though, E3 hasn't happened yet and it would surprise me if they don't have a single new IP next to Halo 6 and likely Forza Horizon 4 next year.
Samurai G0SU
Member
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I wanna see how the games look, will we see ?
rokkerkory
Member
Why damage control? This is normal for SDK go get more power as it hardens closer to launch.
LukasTaves
Member
There are many in all genres you mentioned. I could list, but it starts to become a list wars then XD
They even have a Souls like exclusive slated for this year.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Just look at the top 10 sellers each month in the NPD thread or best selling games for the year and you will see they are not platformers or narrative style games. What Microsoft is doing is developing the types of games its fans (like myself) want. Ark or Rust are social types games like you say, but look how well they have sold and will keep selling. And not just on PC but also on consoles.
I personally feel the complete opposite of you where I'm tired of spending 60$ for a game to go through its main story in 15 hours or less and then have nothing else to play. Online games like sea of thieves offer countless hours of gameplay thanks to its online focus and has all the Rare charm, if you would have actually tried the alpha you would know. I'd rather play that type of game then until dawn or Detroit as those games dont challenge me gameplay wise and once their main stories are over it becomes useless. I like my games to have long legs and offer me value, and MS games all have that extra value added to them.
I dont mind story driven games, but the only ones worth my time gameplay wise and length wise in my opinion havent come from first party but from third party, Witcher 3 being the best example and Mass Effect Andromeda being another good one.
But keep living in your world, where because a game lacks a very deep story it suddenly becomes a giant DLC. If that were the case I'm sorry to inform you then that all of the most popular games on both consoles and PC are giant DLCs.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
Yah I agree, not sure how good the marketing was for these games though...but problem is MS tried and people didn't buy. Of course they are going to be very cautious to try more of these games. QB was not a cheap game to make and most likely lost em money.
Either way, I don't even know why we are getting into this stuff...thought this was mainly suppose to be about Scorpio hardware?
Samurai G0SU
Member
I wouldn't pay too.much attention to the comment on first party. It isnt like he has all insider info and knows the projects that are unannounced yet. So yeah, wait for e3 like the rest of us
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I agree with some articles that believe it happened to have stronger hardware for PSVR. Some say PS4 Pro using PSVR is night and day better than using it with standard PS4.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Shinobi & Jez mentioned Forza 7 was shown but jez has came out a few hours ago to say Forza 7 won't be the focus of this reveal.
It's the specs and the inside of the system
I think they'll have to do a proper reveal of the system at some point for the broader audience but this is a good way of informing gamers. Looking forward to what they reveal.
It's sad that people at GAF will drive away good members because they hold a different opinion about some things.
It's sad that people at GAF will drive away good members because they hold a different opinion about some things.
rokkerkory
Member
Geezus with these PS4 or Sony posts, can you guys keep this thread on point?
edit: read the most post
edit: read the most post
Papacheeks
Banned
Well that's sad because it use to be. My giant collection of 360, and OG XBOX games was something I enjoyed and always felt fresh to what sony was putting out at the time.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
I wouldn't pay too.much attention to the comment on first party. It isnt like he has all insider info and knows the projects that are unannounced yet. So yeah, wait for e3 like the rest of us
Oh for sure. But all this time I have been keeping my expectations low and realistic and I'll continue to do so. I truly hope he indeed doesn't have all the info already because that would not be good. I'll of course still happily buy Scorpio for the exclusives it has and the multiplatform games but as a huge Xbox fan it would lower my excitement a great deal. E3 it is, but first Thursday.
Papacheeks
Banned
So you would put Ori up with something like ratchet and clank which is a action/adventure platformer?
Also D4 was treated poorly in how it was advertised, same goes for sunset overdrive those I agree were very unique but MS doesn't give second chances to games that dont do well their first go.
Also QB was really mediocre and so wasn't Recore. Your going to say QB was MS at their best for offerings?
HELL I'd take anything from RARE if it was something they were revisiting conker, banjo, even perfect dark if done right. Fuck it I'll take Kameo 2 please.
I mean not to get into list wars but they have games in all those genres if you would just look. I mean Qb,D4 narrative., Ori, max and the curse of brotherhood, kalimba rare replay all platformers . Then you have tycoon games like zoo tycoon and screamride. Come on dude. There's tons of variety
just a reminder from your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Anyone at all (in the know) that an weigh in on the system staying at 6tf. Seems someone knows as people are saying it's "quite impressive" is that a cpu impressive or better than what they said on the gpu impressive?
We always got a lot of rumors of increased power this whole generation and the only time it turned out true was the first PS4.
We always got a lot of rumors of increased power this whole generation and the only time it turned out true was the first PS4.
Man Thursday can't come soon enough! Super hyped for it! We still thinking they'll hold an actual event in May? That's what I'm hoping for. I don't want them to take too much time of E3 with hardware. Apparently Phil Spencer doesn't really want to either, so I'm hoping for a Scorpio Event in May. Early May so I don't have to wait longer please.
Also, I kinda like the idea of the name being the Xbox One X. It'll sound REALLY similar to the S when ppl are just speaking it, but that's okay. lol
Also, I kinda like the idea of the name being the Xbox One X. It'll sound REALLY similar to the S when ppl are just speaking it, but that's okay. lol
Papacheeks
Banned
Max was available everywhere though? D4 I'll give you that it sucks what happened to that game.
Ori was great I'll admit. But they dont seem keen on any sequels to most of those or ones that didn't do well like QB, SO and what not.
Like having rare make a social experience type game is weird. I'll eat crow if it comes out with some awesome banging single player expierence, but all we've seen from alpha's is the online stuff being presented as youtube/twitch streamer's dream.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Spider-man is correct.
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
This is a perfectly valid point. Sony right now is focusing on their strengths, which are story driven single player games, much like Microsoft is focusing on their strengths, multiplayer focused games. Yes the lack of a big multiplayer game is a gap in Sony's lineup, but the thing is, there's so many huge third party mutliplayer games, significantly more than there were when Halo and Gears were at the peak of their popularity
Unless someone is super passionate about Halo and/or Gears, there's really no real reason to chose one console over the other. Conversely, while Xbox has had a few single player focused exclusives like Quantum Break, that just can't compare to Bloodborne, UC4, Horizon, etc. And I liked QB quite a bit
Another thing to consider is the buying habits of multiplayer fans vs single player fans. The average gamer who plays predominantly multiplayer games will usually chose one or two games a year and they keep them occupied until the next year. Again, unless it truly means something to someone that one of these games is Halo and/or Gears, it doesn't really matter which console they chose, so they follow their friends. Single player fans tend to buy more games each year, as once they beat the game they are currently playing they go buy the next release. And the undeniable truth is that there's more single player games available on PS4
My point with this is, while Sony doesn't have a big first party multiplayer game, they really don't need to. There's plenty of big third party ones on the platform, just because they aren't exclusive doesn't lessen their value to owners/potential owners of the console. As for single player fans, it's a far better bet to chose the console that in 2017 alone has seen the release of Gravity Rush 2, Yakuza 0, Nioh, Horizon Zero Dawn, Nier Automata, and Persona 5 along with Resident Evil 7 and Mass Effect Andromeda, than the console that only has Resident Evil 7 and Mass Effect Andromeda
That is also why Microsoft's single player efforts haven't found much success this gen. People who are passionate about those games are on PS4. People who are passionate about multiplayer games are pretty split between both consoles
LukasTaves
Member
It's one of the reasons why I think XPA is needed. If they manage to get a sizeable audience on Pc even a future Xbox one like mistep won't put them on a hard spot where there's no audience to buy their games.
I do hope they revisit those games now that xbone itself is in a better place and XPA is already a thing.
No, but one could put Sunset Overdrive up against that.
and it would come out on top
I just saw that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y68-fCU2FMQ
Never tried PSVR, just oculus, but if that is how games usually run on it (probably not, this look like a very cheap effort), then yeah, they should have made it Pro only XD
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Maybe I'm missing something...But you're criticising Microsoft for bot having diversity but Sea of Thieves is something completely​ unique. Isnt that exactly what you are asking them to do?
Ascenion
Member
Quantum Break imo, was on the same level as the first Uncharted just judged by today's standards. It needed a sequel to fully develope into something special but the makings of greatness were there. The concept was interesting, the tech was interesting, the story was better than most other things from 2016. I was pleasantly surprised.
It doesn't look like Forza 7 will be shown off after all now though
Though I do wish cocky Dan would return
Shadowhaxor
Member
I talked to Studio MDHR around PAX East 2017. They didn't make the event since they're busting their asses trying to get the game done. Said we should expect it mid 2017, at least that's what they're aiming for.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
So guys, what are your guesses? Will it be Jaguar or Zen? Or perhaps something in between? I'm going with the last one. One person has now said it's not Jaguar, another one said the hardware is very impressive.
That's very much a chicken/egg problem. Without a good variety of games in a genre that appeals to a market segment they won't buy the hardware. Until you have enough of them with your hardware, they won't buy the games in sufficient volume for it to make an appealing business.
So it requires patience, insight, and an interest in expanding the appeal of your brand. Microsoft has been much more focused on going after big established market segments than fostering growth in smaller ones so this is pretty much par for the course in areas where they don't have strong leadership with both the necessary mandate and the trust of executive leadership.
Papacheeks
Banned
But my whole point was how they are approaching those co-op multiplayer experiences. Where's the couch co-op stuff? Why are there F2P microtransactions in Halo, gears, why was fable a F2P moba style game that went nowhere?
That's my issue let games be games, and be behind them no matter what. QB should have been in essence the successor to alan wake. But they had tv stuff wrapped up that hampered how the development of that game went.
Like a lot of their games have had some kind of meddling or influence from up top. It seems just now they are slowly getting away from thing's that were laid out in early xbox one days.
That's my issue. I have no problem if the game is online only, but it's shame xbox doesn't look at what their heritage is about which was coach co-op campaign's really long good ones, obscure western PC developed games, and online multiplayer or leaderboard games.
I see very little of that being the main focus in a lot of what they have put out library wise. like if RARE were given full reign would they have still made seas of thieves mostly online? Feel they would love to revisit old franchises as Rare replay was a love letter to their heritage and xbox's.
It's already mid 2017? unless they mean more like summer June/July?
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
Either Jag or something inbetween. Zen would be great, but the price would be insane. I recall Phil saying they don't want to price it super high