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A note about Persona 5 Streaming From Atlus
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Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
Wow.
How about "I'll do whatever I want with my fucking property that I own"?
Fuck you, Atlus.
How about "I'll do whatever I want with my fucking property that I own"?
Fuck you, Atlus.
I'd like to remind you that ATLUS published Demon's Souls in the west when no one would,effectively salvaging the Souls series.
Please understand.
Glass Shark
Banned
Lady Siara
Member
Yeah, it's becoming more and more noticeable when foreign branches have to comply with the wishes of their out of touch Japanese counterparts. Leads to boneheaded "policies" like this.
The post itself is also just dreadful. Spoils two different things in a post threatening to abuse the copyright system to prevent spoilers.
Revolting.
Garrett Hawke
Member
They better take down Wikipedia cus it has a plot summary
Incredibly silly
Incredibly silly
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Fucking good luck.
TylerDurden4321
Member
exactly!
Maybe they just want to be talked about controversial and have lots of youtube coverage via backwards psychology.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
I don't have to respect shit from them.
To be fair, how else could they have spun this? I can't think of a way to make this look good.
Who cares? That has literally nothing to do with this.
Atlus isn't your buddy, they're a for profit company.
JohnTonne
Member
I'm sure this is Atlus JP barking orders from on high, they have done things like this before:
- Removing Japanese dub from Persona 4 Anime Blu Rays
- Region Locking the PS3 Fighting game
I thought this might have been their parent company (at the time) Index's decisions but it seems that was not the case.
They want to squeeze every penny they can out of their product, and anything like Lets Plays, or reverse importation of cheaper American blu rays they probably perceive as costing them a sale.
- Removing Japanese dub from Persona 4 Anime Blu Rays
- Region Locking the PS3 Fighting game
I thought this might have been their parent company (at the time) Index's decisions but it seems that was not the case.
They want to squeeze every penny they can out of their product, and anything like Lets Plays, or reverse importation of cheaper American blu rays they probably perceive as costing them a sale.
Nazonozonoya
Member
They were worried about spoilers they would have released all versions at the same time, Japan had this last year.
Megawarrior
Member
Did they just unintentionally spoil the damn game themselves!? What the hell?
Is it really about spoilers though? I think they are just framing it that way because it's really about losing revenue to people who will just watch it rather then buy it and play it.
Because even SE Japan isn't this dumb.
Technically it isn't blanket. It's just after the 1st 15 minutes.
Fucking LOL! Thank you Twitch.
No. It's just AtlusJP being stupid as fuck.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Haha get fucked
Right up there with Nintendo regarding YouTube.
Right up there with Nintendo regarding YouTube.
Pandora012
Member
AtlusNA did that, not the AtlusJP
MaximumSpider
Banned
Obviously the JP branch whispering in their ear. The fuck.
SE is bigger and relies a lot more on Western sales, so they've had to adapt.
SliceSabre
Banned
Yea I saw this on my twitter and was taken aback. That's a load of BS, threatening to go after streamers? What the hell man.
And you know, while I too enjoy streams and watch them for games if never engage with in any other way I think it makes sense for companies to be vary of them. Especially for a game like Persona 5 that one plays once and that's it.
ATLUS can't force the Internet to not be the Internet. This approach is stupid. But we really need some form of legal clarification around this stuff. That would be great to get rid of uncertainty.
So give in to their demands because they brought a game to the west? We don't owe them anything lol they could've just not released Demon's Souls and we would've been just fine.
But what Atlus doesn't know is that we have a little thing called the Fair Use Act which protects streamers from whatever nonsense Atlus is trying to spew.
Jawbreaker
Member
Absolutely ridiculous. To make matters worse, I can see people intentionally spamming spoilers everywhere just to spite them.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Wouldn't this be worse? Nintendo's not going as far as seeking account suspensions are they?
These people don't exist, or are so small it isn't worth it.
Many games have become as famous as they are thanks to the internet. Atlus is killing any chance of that happening.
While this kind of sucks, I can't really say it isn't within their right to do so. A story based game isn't too different from a movie -- gameplay is one thing, but cutscenes aren't exactly transformative work. If they don't want those shared, it's within their right...well, not to.
I don't think this is a smart decision, mind. People are used to be able to stream games and frankly with a game of Persona 5's length, I don't think people are going to just watch an entire Let's Play of it. That said, I do understand the argument for people not wanting to buy story based games after watching LPs of it. I mean, I didn't get Last of Us for a while because after watching a let's play of it I felt no urge to, even though beforehand I was very interested in it. I only ended up playing the game when the ps4 version came bundled with the console. Granted, given how well the game sold there's also the natural counterargument that the people who lose interest in the game are made up by the people made aware of the game in the first place due to how popular youtube videos are. I think that's a fair argument to make too.
I just don't think the matter is as simple as "I bought the game, I can do what I want." I think they are approaching this the wrong way and this isn't a smart decision, but I don't think it's right to just dismiss concerns that LPs of story based games can keep people from buying them. Friends of mine...and I myself if I'm being honest have totally fallen into the trap of "Hey, gonna go watch this LP for a bit before I get this game...wait, watched all of it. All that interested me about the game was the story, so eh, I'll get it on sale maybe?"
But yeah. I understand why people are upset and I even think Atlus isn't handling this very well...but I also disagree with people saying that they have no right over the game or that there is no way Let's Plays could prevent sales. I think there's definitely a valid argument to be made there. Like, they are not being super smart about it, and I feel like this is going to lose them more money than anything else, but it just kind of rubs me the wrong way how people are acting like it's their right to broadcast the game's cutscenes.
I don't think this is a smart decision, mind. People are used to be able to stream games and frankly with a game of Persona 5's length, I don't think people are going to just watch an entire Let's Play of it. That said, I do understand the argument for people not wanting to buy story based games after watching LPs of it. I mean, I didn't get Last of Us for a while because after watching a let's play of it I felt no urge to, even though beforehand I was very interested in it. I only ended up playing the game when the ps4 version came bundled with the console. Granted, given how well the game sold there's also the natural counterargument that the people who lose interest in the game are made up by the people made aware of the game in the first place due to how popular youtube videos are. I think that's a fair argument to make too.
I just don't think the matter is as simple as "I bought the game, I can do what I want." I think they are approaching this the wrong way and this isn't a smart decision, but I don't think it's right to just dismiss concerns that LPs of story based games can keep people from buying them. Friends of mine...and I myself if I'm being honest have totally fallen into the trap of "Hey, gonna go watch this LP for a bit before I get this game...wait, watched all of it. All that interested me about the game was the story, so eh, I'll get it on sale maybe?"
But yeah. I understand why people are upset and I even think Atlus isn't handling this very well...but I also disagree with people saying that they have no right over the game or that there is no way Let's Plays could prevent sales. I think there's definitely a valid argument to be made there. Like, they are not being super smart about it, and I feel like this is going to lose them more money than anything else, but it just kind of rubs me the wrong way how people are acting like it's their right to broadcast the game's cutscenes.
Saying the game just plays once is being really dishonest. It's an 80 hour game, there's many games you could beat many times over and not reach that length. if someone can sit through a whole playthrough of Persona 5 they deserve an award in patience.
How much is Atlus paying you to PR for them?
Crimsonclaw111
Member
You're right, I glanced over the suspension thing. Damn, someone worse than Nintendo Lmao
Dokie Okie
Neo Member
I would never have found games like Persona 4, Digital Devil Saga or Nocturne had it not been for people making videos of them. Disappointed that Atlus sees these things as detrimental.
Is there a stigma surrounding Let's Plays and streaming in Japan beyond big publishers being afraid of it?
Is there a stigma surrounding Let's Plays and streaming in Japan beyond big publishers being afraid of it?
Demoskinos
Member
They do realize that clamping down on this is just going to have the Streisand effect right?