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[Yawnny]

You have a box that will be updates for years and gives a great PQ.

I agree although it's a bit of a travesty that the Netflix App is constantly in HDR mode even for non HDR content, it sort of ruins SDR stuff. I really hope this is fixed!

Overall I'm happy with my Xbox One S. I'm happy with Halo 5, that's really all I need.

 

[e90Mark]

My LG C6 just arrived. I'm giddy. I wanna open it, but I'm in the middle of updating my living room..

 

[Kyoufu]

My LG C6 just arrived. I'm giddy. I wanna open it, but I'm in the middle of updating my living room..

Man, everything needs a firmware update these days.

 

[Yawnny]

Man, everything needs a firmware update these days.

lol, what a nice clean joke. Well done!

 

[vpance]

3motion_tv on YT has some really nice HDR time lapse videos.

 

[nillapuddin]

You don't need a new receiver if you are happy enough missing out on the HD Audio formats, as you can just connect the Scorpio directly to the TV and use the optical out to connect to your existing amp - it's what I do, but I only have a 5.1 set-up.

Get a UHD player with 2 hdmi outputs. One goes to the TV output directly while the other goes to the receiver to output only the audio. That way you still get HD audio.

I'm unfortunately not educated enough in HD audio and what it means vs not having it so I will have to learn that

I'd set up a Slickdeals alert for "OLED" so you get notifications when deals pop up. Two weekends ago, the 65" LG B6 (2016 model) was $2500 from NewEgg.

Solid price and reputable dealer. It was sold out in ~36 hours though. Just need to keep your eyes out for stuff like that, especially right now as models are transitioning.

Solid info, thanks. Yeah, I was curious when the models change and it becomes harder to find 'last years model' because realistically those will probably be more in my price range unless some other manufacturers are coming out with stuff this year I don't know about yet, 60" is tough cause I know they can be $$$

What's your current AV receiver?

It's a Denon but unfortunately I can't remember the number, probably shouldn't have done a drive by post on my way to work, I will for sure post my model when im home for clarification.


I know more about how to properly purchase and set up good home theater stuff than average joe, but not enough to do everything without asking the internet so thanks yall.

 

[Wiped89]

I agree although it's a bit of a travesty that the Netflix App is constantly in HDR mode even for non HDR content, it sort of ruins SDR stuff. I really hope this is fixed!

Overall I'm happy with my Xbox One S. I'm happy with Halo 5, that's really all I need.

Oh good, I'm glad it's not just me. I couldn't get my Xbox One S out of HDR mode on Netflix either.

To be fair I just use the built-in or the PS4, it's no big deal really.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Persona 5 looks amazing on the Sony 900e. I should share my settings sometime.

 

[Kyoufu]

Speaking of Persona 5, this game was made for OLED. You'll understand when you play it on one, but damn, such beautiful art direction. One of the most stylish games you can play on your OLED right now. The blacks, the reds, everything. It's great.

 

[Yawnny]

Oh good, I'm glad it's not just me. I couldn't get my Xbox One S out of HDR mode on Netflix either.

To be fair I just use the built-in or the PS4, it's no big deal really.

Yeah I hear what you're sayin'. I could certainly use the Netflix App built in to the B6, or use my PS4.. I just like having one dedicated box for all of it and I thought my Xbox One S was going to be it. I guess not for now.

 

[Wiped89]

Yeah I hear what you're sayin'. I could certainly use the Netflix App built in to the B6, or use my PS4.. I just like having one dedicated box for all of it and I thought my Xbox One S was going to be it. I guess not for now.

Yeah makes sense. To be fair I prefer to use the built-in app for Netflix because I'm tight and would prefer not to waste the electricity on a box that doesn't need to be on.

And even then, for some reason I feel like the PS4's Netflix app looks a little better than the Xbox's, but the Xbox makes Blurays (even regular ones) look better than PS4, which is surprisingly poor at Bluray. Even the PS3 put out a better image for Bluray.

 

[Geneijin]

I think our definitions of calibrate are a touch different here. In order for me to sit back and enjoy I initially tweak the settings (shut off motion processing crap, adjust brightness, contrast if need be, etc..) and only then do truly I sit back and enjoy.



I agree. This is why I don't constantly tweak settings. I tweak when I purchase a TV and flip back and forth between different sources (which by my understood definition, can certainly be a method of calibrating) and eventually land on settings I like and I stick with it.

It's not a professional calibration. It's not calibrating with a meter. It's calibrating via adjusting settings until I've landed on something that looks natural to me given the pieces of advice I've picked up over the years.

To clarifiy: I'm not against calibrating. It sounds great. I live in the friggin' prairies and calibrators aren't a dime a dozen out here, but I'm sure the opportunity will present itself as some point and I'll jump on it.

Yah, I understand. The old calibration methodology still works today with simple test patterns and aiming for the correct color temp. But with how affordable a colorimeter is nowadays, I can't ever not recommend grabbing a colorimeter and calibrating a display yourself. It's 90% of a good image when you balance a grayscale.

If you ever consider it, ask here or PM me. There are a few experienced who would surely help.

That's me my friend. Warm temperature is something I've never understood. Warm looks like a piss filter to me. Except I don't set it to cool, I have it at neutral. Cool is too blue for me, lols.

That's because your TV isn't calibrated. I linked an article in this thread about it in the past if I can manage to find it again.

Edit: Found it.

http://www.burosch.de/images/docs/White_Paper_Color_calibration_E.pdf

 

[Yappadappadu]

I thought FH3 didn't support HDR on PC?

My hope was that the Windows 10 support might be enough, but I can't say that the back lights of the FH3 cars at night looked anything like in the first episode of Amazon's "The Grand Tour".
It's probably only the Windows desktop that's in HDR, though I don't see any use for that.

Switch Dynamic Contrast and Dynamic Colour on in the Advanced settings. Especially Dynamic Contrast. Immediately much, much brighter. And doesn't seem to increase lag.

Will give it a try, thanks.

 

[Kyoufu]

My hope was that the Windows 10 support might be enough, but I can't say that the back lights of the FH3 cars at night looked anything like in the first episode of Amazon's "The Grand Tour".
It's probably only the Windows desktop that's in HDR, though I don't see any use for that

It's probably for photo/video editing or something. Games still need to actually include HDR support otherwise you're still seeing SDR, or worse, a bastardised, dark picture.

For some reason the Xbox One version supports HDR but not the PC version. :/

 

[Yukstin]

Yeah I hear what you're sayin'. I could certainly use the Netflix App built in to the B6, or use my PS4.. I just like having one dedicated box for all of it and I thought my Xbox One S was going to be it. I guess not for now.

the built in app works great. PQ wise, it looks the best to me vs. Xbox/PS4/AppleTV. Plus it's the only one that does DV.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Is there a TV calibration app that I can download to my Android based Sony 900e?

 

[Yukstin]

It's a Denon but unfortunately I can't remember the number, probably shouldn't have done a drive by post on my way to work, I will for sure post my model when im home for clarification.

I'll probably be in the minority here but I always recommend upgrading both the TV and receiver at the same time. I always like having my receiver up to spec HDMI wise so I can plug everything into it and only have the 1 plug going to the TV. Helps keep the cabling down and when you have 5-6 inputs like I do, much easier to juggle everything.

I also really like HQ sound, so upgrading to a Dolby Atmos receiver for me was a no brainier when I got an OLED.

 

[Geneijin]

Is there a TV calibration app that I can download to my Android based Sony 900e?

Just run some AVS HD 709 test patterns through USB drive.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html

 

[Metalstrike]

Speaking of Persona 5, this game was made for OLED. You'll understand when you play it on one, but damn, such beautiful art direction. One of the most stylish games you can play on your OLED right now. The blacks, the reds, everything. It's great.

Agreed, it's insanely gorgeous.

 

[nillapuddin]

Current

TV: Vizio e601i-a3
AV: Denon AVR-1713

*My Denon fits in the box by literally 2 cm (I built the entertainment center myself)

So I will monitor OLED like Redline suggested, as for receiver Im not really sure what I am supposed to be looking for to purchase

 

[Yawnny]

the built in app works great. PQ wise, it looks the best to me vs. Xbox/PS4/AppleTV. Plus it's the only one that does DV.

To my eyes I also noticed the built in App worked best, I'll probably stick with it as I love the remote (seems like it's a love or hate thing with that LG remote.. but I love it)

 

[Yukstin]

So I will monitor OLED like Redline suggested, as for receiver Im not really sure what I am supposed to be looking for to purchase

That's a real nice, clean setup!

Yeah that receiver you have only does HDMI 1.4 pass through. If you wanted to upgrade for 4k HDR pass through, something like this would be similar: https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/receivers/avrs730h

Again, you don't have to upgrade the reciever, you could send an optical cable from your TV or Xbox direct to the receiver so you can have sound output to your speakers and the TV will receive the HDMI video signal.

 

[NOKYARD]

Nice setup but that's one ugly dog on the right.

 

[nillapuddin]

That's a real nice, clean setup!

Yeah that receiver you have only does HDMI 1.4 pass through. If you wanted to upgrade for 4k HDR pass through, something like this would be similar: https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/receivers/avrs730h

Again, you don't have to upgrade the receiver, you could send an optical cable from your TV or Xbox direct to the receiver so you can have sound output to your speakers and the TV will receive the HDMI video signal.

Thanks, I try to keep it clean, the first day I built it before it had any stuff on it I loved it, but women are gunna woman and her knick knacks are all over it now, oh well

But yeah, I will probably just do that then, because I'm not too worried about any features from the AVR, and at this point I'm only using 1 input anyways. Save a few bucks that could make the TV purchase a little easier. Thanks for the help

Nice setup but that's one ugly dog on the right.

He is very old and doesnt get around as much as he used to, but I do love 'em

 

[RedlineRonin]

I'm unfortunately not educated enough in HD audio and what it means vs not having it so I will have to learn that



Solid info, thanks. Yeah, I was curious when the models change and it becomes harder to find 'last years model' because realistically those will probably be more in my price range unless some other manufacturers are coming out with stuff this year I don't know about yet, 60" is tough cause I know they can be $$$



It's a Denon but unfortunately I can't remember the number, probably shouldn't have done a drive by post on my way to work, I will for sure post my model when im home for clarification.


I know more about how to properly purchase and set up good home theater stuff than average joe, but not enough to do everything without asking the internet so thanks yall.

And just like that....

https://slickdeals.net/f/9776479-65...a_newreg_fire2_v2&src=da_si_v2_fire2_22632663

Authorized dealer too

 

[Lima]

And just like that....

https://slickdeals.net/f/9776479-65...a_newreg_fire2_v2&src=da_si_v2_fire2_22632663

Authorized dealer too

What a killer price.

Lmao wtf are these people in the comments talk about expensive Oleds Wut.

 

[bender]

So tempting to grab that E65P It's so hard to say goodbye to my Kuro.

 

[Geneijin]

So tempting to grab that E65P It's so hard to say goodbye to my Kuro.

OLED is the only alternative if you want black levels and viewing angles like an old Plasma TV though.

 

[bender]

OLED is the only alternative if you want black levels and viewing angles like an old Plasma TV though.

That's my understanding. I was going to try to wait for the '18 models but that deal is temping. I've almost had my Kuro for 10 years and it is showing some signs of age (one of the controllers is going out and the buzzing is even louder than usual) and I have a weird issue where I have a cluster of pixels that go crazy on certain sources. It's been an amazing set though and I was really hesitant to drop 5K on display but it has been one hell of an investment.

 

[Geneijin]

That's my understanding. I was going to try to wait for the '18 models but that deal is temping. I've almost had my Kuro for 10 years and it is showing some signs of age (one of the controllers is going out and the buzzing is even louder than usual) and I have a weird issue where I have a cluster of pixels that go crazy on certain sources. It's been an amazing set though and I was really hesitant to drop 5K on display but it has been one hell of an investment.

I'd say wait until 2018 if you can then. Waiting for HDMI 2.1 among other features, right? 65" OLED TVs will probably be at a similar price at a similar point of time next year. The question really is how patient are you.

 

[bender]

I'd say wait until 2018 if you can then. Waiting for HDMI 2.1 among other features, right? 65" OLED TVs will probably be at a similar price at a similar point of time next year. The question really is how patient are you.

HDMI 2.1 and variable refresh rates (at least if my understanding is correct). Patience isn't the problem. It's if my Kuro can cross the finish line. And I'd probably be look at early '19 before a '18 model is as good of a deal as this. Planet Earth 2 in 4K too.

 

[Kyoufu]

Patience isn't the problem. It's if my Kuro can cross the finish line. And I'd probably be look at early '19 before a '18 model is as good of a deal as this.

Sounds like there's no point waiting. Grab the E6 now and upgrade to HDMI 2.1 when consoles/other devices actually take advantage of it.

 

[bender]

Geneijin is the angel on my shoulder talking about patience. Kyoufu is the devil on my other shoulder playing on my weakness. haha

 

[Reddline]

Do you guys recommend the LG E6 over the B6 for gaming? Doesn't the B6 have lower input lag? I'm debating pulling the trigger on that beach camera deal posted above for the E6.

 

[luffeN]

Yah, I understand. The old calibration methodology still works today with simple test patterns and aiming for the correct color temp. But with how affordable a colorimeter is nowadays, I can't ever not recommend grabbing a colorimeter and calibrating a display yourself. It's 90% of a good image when you balance a grayscale.

If you ever consider it, ask here or PM me. There are a few experienced who would surely help.


That's because your TV isn't calibrated. I linked an article in this thread about it in the past if I can manage to find it again.

Edit: Found it.

http://www.burosch.de/images/docs/White_Paper_Color_calibration_E.pdf

Which calibration hardware do you recommmend?

 

[holygeesus]

Do you guys recommend the LG E6 over the B6 for gaming? Doesn't the B6 have lower input lag? I'm debating pulling the trigger on that beach camera deal posted above for the E6.

The E6/C6 et al are slower, but you are talking 28ms v 34ms so not much in it.

 

[Prisoner KSC2-303]

The 6 series OLEDs really seem to be at a great price in the US. Looking at the UK prices in comparison makes me want to wait.

 

[Spartancarver]

And just like that....

https://slickdeals.net/f/9776479-65...a_newreg_fire2_v2&src=da_si_v2_fire2_22632663

Authorized dealer too

Fuck that's a steal.

 

[reKon]

Fuck that's a steal.

Not really

 

[III-V]

Which calibration hardware do you recommmend?

Try this:

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=226328947&postcount=130

 

[Lima]

Not really

For a 65 E6 yes absolutely.

 

[vpance]

Sony A1 In depth review - HDTVPolska

PROS

Perfect black and contrast not available for LCD TVs and Plasma

Great angles of view

Audio system with large woofer diaphragm

Original design Excellent 3-D OLED panel life (100,000 hours)

Good quality image factory modes and rich calibration capabilities

The richest coverage of a wide range of colors (over 100% DCI)

120Hz matrix with excellent fluids (Motionflow)

Meet the requirements of Ultra HD Premium despite the lack of certification

Android 6.0 system

Screen brightness (SDR) at 350cd / m 2

Full HEVC 4K support - files, terrestrial and satellite TV

Small input lag in 4K


MINUSES

Brightness at HDR is slightly lower than other OLEDs

The design of the TV sets a slight deflection backwards

Implementing BLS could give you even better motion (in this respect better TVs)

Input lag in Full HD mode could be lower

 

[holygeesus]

From the slides I've seen, uniformity looks no better than the 2016 range, or the 2017 LGs. In fact, I'd argue it looks worse than a lot of the previous generation screens. Also, that HDR brightness is low. I think it's even lower than the 2015 sets. Looks pretty disappointing thus far.

 

[vpance]

I agree, it's a bust. The noticeably lower brightness in HDR is a deal breaker. This set is for the Sony diehards only.

 

[luffeN]

Try this:

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=226328947&postcount=130

Nice, thank you. Can I calibrate as many TVs and monitors as I like with the i1? I read a review that it is only able to calibrate the one monitor that is connected to the PC?! Seems kinda strange. Can I also calibrate OLED/LCD/etc. ?

 

[Wessie]

I won a competition and get a 65" Sony X930d I know it has very bad input lag (50ms) but a part from that does anyone have any advice?

 

[Yawnny]

If you ever consider it, ask here or PM me. There are a few experienced who would surely help.

You know, I might take you up on that in the near future!

 

[Spartancarver]

Not really

65" E6, it absolutely is a steal for that quality of TV

 

[BlizzyAzz]

I won a competition and get a 65" Sony X930d I know it has very bad input lag (50ms) but a part from that does anyone have any advice?

http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e/settings

Game Mode isn't that bad, especially in 4k:
1080p @ 60Hz 42.3 ms
1080p With Interpolation 101.7 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode 104.8 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 42.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz 25.7 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 25.7 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR 25.8 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR 25.8 ms

 

[Madness]

Sony A1 In depth review - HDTVPolska

Damn, lower brightness might do it, especially if the 2017 LG OLEDS have all improved in this area. Not bad for their first attempt, but unless price massively drops I don't know. Still have to wait for the Rtings review.

What is is with these new sets like the Samsung Q7F giving us over 99% color accuracy and then this A1E giving us over 100% accuracy but then underdelivering on thr brightness.

So tempting to grab that E65P It's so hard to say goodbye to my Kuro.

No offense but your Kuro was surpassed quite a while ago, even by other flagship Panasonic plasmas.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1471147-comparison-black-levels.html

So if you wanted Kuro level blacks, you could have bought something in 2013 that would have given you as black a picture as well as all the newer enhancements. It stays around in name only because people think they have some unbeatable set. Viewing angles maybe but some high end flaghships that were IPS had almost as good viewing angles, other sets like Panasonics last high end plasmas did beat Kuro. Then you are ignoring the myriad of inprovements made to things like color accuracy, etc.

I think you would be happiest upgrading to a flagship OLED. One of the 2017 LG's, hearing about thr brightness of the A1E, makes me not want to recommend that.

I won a competition and get a 65" Sony X930d I know it has very bad input lag (50ms) but a part from that does anyone have any advice?

Honestly I think input lag is overdiscussed in relation to the television. Anything under 60 ms is adequate and will not be noticeable unless you are a massive gamer especially in multiplayer or twitch shooters. For example, I want to know how many people who got the LG input lag update REALLY, HONESTLY, TRULY can say damn I can easily tell I am playing at 28ms now and not the what 50+ it was before.

One day, I played Halo 5 and I forgot I had changed my input from the game mode setting to standard or custom because I had watched a UHD HDR bluray. I honestly didn't even notice a different. I played the same, etc. The lowest input lag is best, anything in the teens is no longer really possible due to the imaging enhancements. So input lags in the 20s and 30s ms is the best. If you have something higher, you may notice it in fast twitch games, a street fighter, shooter. But nothing that woild be frustrating or game breaking. We have been gaming on 20ms to 70ms sets for a decade before people started tracking input lag. And then keep in mind some people you play against are on monitors. If you won a 65" X930D, then you won a freaking expensive television that will give you an amazing 4K and HDR picture.