I been defending Super for months, even during the horrific end to the Future Trunks arc but this...this I can't defend. Literally screamed "this is stupid" when I saw 17 going toe to toe with SSB Goku. What kind of nonsense is this? Super Saiyan 2 Goku should have been more than enough to take out Android 17 considering the huge power difference between the two. "B-but he trained!" Right single training fighting against poachers and the occasional scuffle with an animal does not magnify your power by that level.
why do people keep saying he's only been fighting poachers? we don't know what he's been doing. goku got like 1000x stronger just by punching and kicking in a white void