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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.

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Wilsongt

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The alt-left is attacking Warren now. Gotta get that "not Bernie" litmus test going

Senility is becoming an epidemic.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who has more power over how American law is enforced than any other single living human being, is concerned about New York City.
The nation’s largest population center continues to see “gang murder after gang murder,” Sessions’ office said in a statement Friday, attributing the putative murderpocalypse to the city’s commitment to humane treatment of undocumented immigrants:

Eight and a half million people live in New York City. New York City had 335 murders in 2016. That is down from 352 in 2015. It is the second-lowest murder rate in New York City history, tied with 2013 and just behind 2014’s all-time low of 333.
Shootings, too, are down — below 1,000 last year for the first time on record.
 

Hindl

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I never understood these guys who think NYC is so dangerous, the city's safer than it's ever been.

The people that they're trying to convince with these comments have never been to NYC and assume it's a crime-ridden hellscape just like in the early 90s
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
You know exactly why Jeff Sessions thinks "inner cities" are dangerous.

I do and it's fucking horrible.

The people that they're trying to convince with these comments have never been to NYC and assume it's a crime-ridden hellscape just like in the early 90s

You mean the 70's. Whenever old guy in NYC talk about the days of crime, they always talk about the 70's. The mayors who came after that did a lot to fix the issues the city had, Giuliani just happened to come into power as those changes finally finished bearing fruit.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
No talk in here about how Mulvaney wants democrats to pay for the wall in an equal exchange for Obamacare funds?

Why in the world would democrats ever agree to this?
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
No talk in here about how Mulvaney wants democrats to pay for the wall in an equal exchange for Obamacare funds?

Why in the world would democrats ever agree to this?

We laughed at it already. It just goes to show how unpopular the wall is in Congress. No one but Trump really wants it because anyone who votes for it is DOA come reelection.
 

Ogodei

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I never understood these guys who think NYC is so dangerous, the city's safer than it's ever been.

The current GOP is stuck in a timewarp with many of their policies, including re-emphasis in the war on drugs and this new emphasis on the war on gangs. Only Chicago has a big problem right now.
 
They've stopped using Chicago as an example since the mayor told them to bring on the help. They don't actually want to do anything about it, just scare their constituents into fearing minorities/immigrants and despising city dwellers.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Right. Playing that exact game won the republicans control of the entire government. No reason for democrats to play nice.

Especially when playing nice would give Trump his wall and undercut any real attacks the Dems might be able to make in 2020. It just makes no sense for them to take this deal.
 

kirblar

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The current GOP is stuck in a timewarp with many of their policies, including re-emphasis in the war on drugs and this new emphasis on the war on gangs. Only Chicago has a big problem right now.
Support for weed legalization is at a point where the numbers say "holy crap just get on board". It'll make young while male voters happy for a while, at least
 

teiresias

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No talk in here about how Mulvaney wants democrats to pay for the wall in an equal exchange for Obamacare funds?

Why in the world would democrats ever agree to this?

This makes no strategic sense. Obamacare actually exists and if it's not funded properly the WH and GOP own that. Trying to make it a hostage is not going to play well, not even with moderate GOP Congress people.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Support for weed legalization is at a point where the numbers say "holy crap just get on board". It'll make young while male voters happy for a while, at least

It will be a net boost for the entire country, it will free up law enforcement to focus on other more important issues, provide tax revenue and stop schools from unfairly demonizing it. Fact based Drug education will instill some trust into the curriculum.

Democrats are slowly coming around to it, meanwhile Republicans just approved someone who is wholly against it, and fighting against a version of Marijuana that does not exist.

Wait there is another healthcare bill now? Does anyone know whats in it (no, im sure)?

Looks like it's just political theater to make it seem like they are still trying.

I believe the correct slur is ctrl-left

Hmm, I think I can get on board with that.

Right. Playing that exact game won the republicans control of the entire government. No reason for democrats to play nice.

True, but actual honest to goodness compromise, I think should still not be ignored.
So far, none has come up though.
 
Sessions does not understand what kind is actually going on in the country. He probably gets his information from Fox News.

Sessions has spouted this bullshit before:

Sessions’s first comments as attorney general inflated U.S. crime problem

“We have a crime problem,” he said. “I wish the blip — I wish the rise that we’re seeing in crime in America today were some sort of aberration or a blip. My best judgment, having been involved in criminal law enforcement for many years, is that this is a dangerous permanent trend that places the health and safety of the American people at risk.”
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The homicide rate in 2015 was lower than when Barack Obama took office as president — and lower than the 45 years preceding that.
A permanent trend of increasing homicides would mean that everyone in the United States would eventually be killed.
 
An worthwhile take on Sanders and the dangers of propping up anti-abortion democrats as part of the 50 State strategy (specifically as it pertains to state governments rather than federal) from fromer Action Vice President for the National Organization for Women (NOW) Erin Matson:

We need to be honest about what is happening. These aren't one-offs or misstatements.
Bernie Sanders has a 50-state strategy that clearly, explicitly depends on bringing in anti-abortion candidates. He is vying for control of the party and coming close to getting it. It started with statements to the press, and has included endorsements of Heath Mello and Tom Perriello (Perriello has now said he regrets voting for Stupak, one of the worst abortion restrictions before Congress in the last several years, but he has a whole bunch of contradicting statements as to why he did it and what he has "always" believed and, as I've covered, has utterly failed to make himself believable yet).
Tom Perez, the chair of the DNC, is accepting it.
When called on it, they peddle a fantasy that anti-abortion people can uphold Roe. What they fail to acknowledge is that direct challenges to Roe are not what state legislatures consider. An incremental strategy to restricting abortion is how we have hundreds of new restrictions at the state level over the past several years.
What they are selling is new abortion restrictions -- 20-week bans, funding bans, selection bans, procedure bans. What they are selling is Mike Pence not having to bother to come in to cast a tie-breaking vote.
The big question that we need to ask ourselves is:
WHO IS BUILDING A 50-STATE STRATEGY THAT INCLUDES ABORTION RIGHTS?
If there is a quick answer, please provide. Otherwise, we need to get our shit together right now or women will pay for generations to come. The callousness of doing this after Justice Gorsuch took his spot on the bench could knock the wind out of a gal. This is literally the absolute worst time for Democrats to cave on abortion.
We need to think big. We need to build a 50-state strategy. Democrats, as well as Independents who want control the Democrats, have. We should work to force them to do better. But we also must create our own strategy. If we don't, we're toast.

https://www.facebook.com/erinmatson/posts/10211473644850699
 
An worthwhile take on Sanders and the dangers of propping up anti-abortion democrats as part of the 50 State strategy (specifically as it pertains to state governments rather than federal) from fromer Action Vice President for the National Organization for Women (NOW) Erin Matson:



https://www.facebook.com/erinmatson/posts/10211473644850699

This is not a problem that's suddenly unique to Sanders, though? I've read time and time again that we need to accept folks like Joe Manchin but now Bernie is campaigning with a pro-lifer and it's dangerous?
 

studyguy

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I can't imagine a comprehensive 50-state strategy that doesn't include anti-abortion and anti-gun control candidates.

It won't.
People need to deal with it unless they're cool with the alternative of these seats never budging for Democrats and the country stay gridlocked without progress.
 

kirblar

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This is not a problem that's suddenly unique to Sanders, though? I've read time and time again that we need to accept folks like Joe Manchin but now Bernie is campaigning with a pro-lifer and it's dangerous?
We literally spent the past 2 pages talking about how its the juxtaposition of this with the Ossoff comments that was the problem. Read. Then post.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
It won't.
People need to deal with it unless they're cool with the alternative of these seats never budging for Democrats and the country stay gridlocked without progress.

Basically. I'm not overly concerned with the positions of one candidate, so much as the patterns occurring at national strategic levels.
 
We literally spent the past 2 pages talking about how its the juxtaposition of this with the Ossoff comments that was the problem. Read. Then post.

I was responding to a post they linked about using anti-abortion democrats as part of a 50 state strategy, so maybe you should read and then post?
 

kirblar

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I was responding to a post they linked about using anti-abortion democrats as part of a 50 state strategy, so maybe you should read and then post?
Sorry, phone cut off the giant wall of text so context was missing.

Shes not wrong about Bernie wanting control and needing to be oppossd. Shes not wrong about States being the actual battlegrounds. But shes wrong about the danger prolifers pose, because there just arent enough in the Dems to allow damage to be caused at a systemic level.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Basically. I'm not overly concerned with the positions of one candidate, so much as the patterns occurring at national strategic levels.

It's complicated.

The difficult part is when the canidate does not reflect what the constituents actually want. The causes of this vary, and can range from out-sized influence, like from organizations like the NRA, to the influence of 'The National Platform' to local concerns and influencers like a large corporation that resides in a district or a local good that is exported.

Figuring out a way to walk that tightrope is critical to a 50 state strategy.
 
This is not a problem that's suddenly unique to Sanders, though? I've read time and time again that we need to accept folks like Joe Manchin but now Bernie is campaigning with a pro-lifer and it's dangerous?

Well Sanders is also calling them progressives...

Not that Mello is or isn't but no one is calling Manchin a progressive :p

I do think compromising repeatedly on abortion is dangerous because abortion is much more likely to go the way of the dodo long before say single player arrives...
 
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