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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.

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sangreal

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Bam Bam Baklava said:
People just want to believe Comey is biased so badly.
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I don't think he is motivated by partisan politics, but bias? Comey's career was literally built on opposing the Clintons. It's not exactly a stretch. He has personal involvement on the opposing side of several of their scandals -- Marc Rich, Whitewater, Sandy Berger and probably more. I think he keeps things professional, or tries to, despite his bias but there is way too much history for there to be no bias.
 
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AntraxSuicide

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I also don't think Ryan is the same sort of evil as say, the Koch brothers, or something. He drank the kool-aid pretty hard, and believes that if he dismantles the government, then the only people who will be poor in his new world will be lazy people who brought it on themselves. He legitimately believes this, whereas I'd venture most republicans only say it and then go drink thousands of dollars off scotch and laugh at the help.

Look at Ryan's bullshit about the "dignity of work." He's not evil, he's just really really stupid. His good looks have gotten him a pass for years where he somehow got the label of a wonk while 100% believing stupid things.
 
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Stinkles

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AntraxSuicide said:
I also don't think Ryan is the same sort of evil as say, the Koch brothers, or something. He drank the kool-aid pretty hard, and believes that if he dismantles the government, then the only people who will be poor in his new world will be lazy people who brought it on themselves. He legitimately believes this, whereas I'd venture most republicans only say it and then go drink thousands of dollars off scotch and laugh at the help.

Look at Ryan's bullshit about the "dignity of work." He's not evil, he's just really really stupid. His good looks have gotten him a pass for years where he somehow got the label of a wonk while 100% believing stupid things.
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He literally got the Wonk label because he kept making (crazy, faulty, incoherent) documents about economics when everyone else was literally just blocking Obama and being racist.
 
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Prof. Bathtub

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The whole Comey business just highlights how attempting to appear impartial, whether by the FBI or the 24hr News Cycle, only benefits the more extreme side (the extreme Republicans that is, as they're the ones allowed on TV.)
 
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Stinkles

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Bam Bam Baklava said:
People just want to believe Comey is biased so badly.
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He is biased. But, and it's a real "but" - he also believes at his core he is a boyscout. I have no special insight into the investigation whatsoever, but I know someone who's directly connected to Comey, and they insist, unwaveringly, and I believe them, that Comey is trying to do the right thing regarding the investigation and that his "don't care who's Ox gets gored" is true and galvanized by the things he's seen in the last year.

He was biased. He is biased. But he's trying to run this investigation properly because the constitution demands it. He has already reduced contact with several senior GOPers, and abandoned some of his former ideals. I don't care if ego or melodrama is driving that, as long as he sticks to it from hereon out.
 
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teiresias

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kirblar said:
Yup. He's a donkey trying to do ballet. He was legitimately worried that the R-leaning FBI would leak this shit and tried to get ahead of it...in the worst way possible.\

Remember, he wanted to go public on other non-Clinton things as well and got told "no" by the WH. He has no idea how to do the public PR stuff properly.
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Frankly, if the reports of the NY office threatening to leak the investigation are true, then the entire office needs a purge.
 
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jmood88

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Sirpopopop said:
I'm not giving him a pass at all. If anything, the divide here is that I'm not willing to ignore what he said, since he did recant his statements about "makers and takers," after all. My argument is that attacking Ryan by calling him an evil piece of shit is a hard case to prove. You would do a lot better in arguing that his view of people on government assistance as victims of a poverty trap is factually inaccurate.

I don't know where you see that I'm giving him a pass. Is it because I don't think he's the personification of Satan? Is that what's called giving someone a pass these days?

If that's the qualification for giving him a pass, alright, I'm giving him a pass.
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Except it's not hard to prove at all, you just look at what he has said and the legislation he pushes. I have no idea why you're so willing to believe that he's "merely" incompetent but blanch at the thought of him deliberately screwing over the poor because he has bought into a worldview that is explicitly pro-rich and anti-poor.
 
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Dan

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Wilsongt said:
Trump essentially fired the US Surgeon General yesterday.
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"Dr. Murthy, the leader of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, was asked to resign from his duties as Surgeon General after assisting in a smooth transition into the new Trump Administration,," said Department of Health and Human Services spokesperson Alleigh Marré in the statement.
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A "smooth transition" would involve the Trump administration having nominated someone to replace him. What a joke.
 
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Dan

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Rebel Leader said:
wait.. US Surgeon General and there's no replacement?
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Rear Admiral Sylvia Trent-Adams is stepping in as acting Surgeon General. She was the previous guy's deputy, but yeah, Trump administration has made no moves to appoint their own person.
 
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Stinkles

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Rebel Leader said:
wait.. US Surgeon General and there's no replacement?
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You rang?


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Wilsongt

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Trump budget might get a bit more severe.

Secretary of Defense James Mattis told Congress that President Donald Trump’s Pentagon budget plan will not be sufficient to fulfill his campaign promise to “rebuild” the U.S. military, CNN reported on Friday.

Mattis made those comments in private, per CNN’s report, which cites four unnamed sources familiar with those conversations.

One unnamed Republican lawmaker told CNN that Mattis said he is “being thwarted getting his message out” that the budget plan “is insufficient to do what Trump has called for.”

CNN also reported that the Trump administration’s Pentagon budget request falls short of what the Pentagon wanted, citing unnamed sources with knowledge of the deliberations.
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What the fuck, Mattis? Our military dick is always sitting at the bottom of the Pacific. What more needs to be fucking rebuilt?
 
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barber

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Wilsongt said:
Trump budget might get a bit more severe.



What the fuck, Mattis? Our military dick is always sitting at the bottom of the Pacific. What more needs to be fucking rebuilt?
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I mean if the promise is "we will increase our stuff by x%" it is going to be more expensive when you have a top quality army, that is how percentage works!

please don't declare war agains anyone
 
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War Peaceman

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It seems natural to me that a Minister would ask for more funding to do their jobs. It is just that it typically happens in private meetings.
 
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RustyNails

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sangreal said:
it'll be doctor oz, or a general
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Dr Oz may believe in kooky alternate medicine, but he is an accomplished cardio-thoracic surgeon and promotes healthy lifestyle. Wont be the worst appointment.

Dr. Bornstein to me comes across as someone who really dont fucking want any limelight. Dude probably has closets full of skeletons and dead hookers.
 
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Stinkles

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Teggy said:
Um, where is there proof that Trump gave chaffetz 10 million dollars the day the FBI letter came out? If that was true I would think we would have heard about it by now.
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Hence "tinfoil" - however, like Louise Mensch, I enjoy reading it. it's cathartic. Oh and Mensch has been right and about a week ahead of MANY real scoops. She's also bonkers and wrong about a lot of stuff, but she plainly has a legitimate source.
 
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BlastProcessing

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Stinkles said:
Hence "tinfoil" - however, like Louise Mensch, I enjoy reading it. it's cathartic. Oh and Mensch has been right and about a week ahead of MANY real scoops. She's also bonkers and wrong about a lot of stuff, but she plainly has a legitimate source.
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Does she have a legitimate source? Or does she constantly throw out dozens of vague proclamations? It feels like she is using the ol' Nostradamus playbook to build credibility. People only remember the hits and forgiver her misses.
 
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Good Job Bob

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Stinkles said:
Hence "tinfoil" - however, like Louise Mensch, I enjoy reading it. it's cathartic. Oh and Mensch has been right and about a week ahead of MANY real scoops. She's also bonkers and wrong about a lot of stuff, but she plainly has a legitimate source.
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This is exactly how some people talk about Alex Jones.
 
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Stinkles

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Good Job Bob said:
This is exactly how some people talk about Alex Jones.
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I get your point, but it's a completely false equivalency. if people were merely entertained by Alex Jones (forgetting for a moment the nature of the content the parties here expound or profess) then we would barely have heard of him. Alex Jones is not problematic because people laugh at him, he is problematic because people believe him.

I no more take life actions or assemble beliefs based on Louise Mensch than I do based on Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Think about the implications.

BlastProcessing said:
Does she have a legitimate source? Or does she constantly throw out dozens of vague proclamations? It feels like she is using the ol' Nostradamus playbook to build credibility. People only remember the hits and forgiver her misses.
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Nah, she's been dead on with timing predictions in particular, and new information, in some cases before those things were things. She tends to get a bit florid in her prose, and she has filled in a bunch of gaps that so far haven't been anything (and has some absolutely AWFUL views anyway) but it's pretty apparent she's got some sort of source or sources in congress at the very least.

If I were a journalist, I'd literally never touch her stuff with a ten foot bargepole. but as a curious citizen, it's interesting to see how her rants parallel real world events.

The idea that Page took a video of Trump literally committing treason for quid pro quo is baffling though. Like, why not have a chat in person instead of giving an obvious idiot the most incriminating thing ever. I don't buy that for a second. Not even Trump is that stupid. It also doesn't make sense from a Russian perspective. they would no more want that kind of evidence floating around than trump himself would.

Mensch ultimately is interesting because she seems to get the odd week's notice on house/FBI activity. I think probably from a congress staffer or aide.

You can't "guess" detailed information on Alfabank or FISA warrants (the latter you could now, but back when she first started this train of thought it was not obvious)
 
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BlastProcessing

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Stinkles said:
I get your point, but it's a completely false equivalency. if people were merely entertained by Alex Jones (forgetting for a moment the nature of the content the parties here expound or profess) then we would barely have heard of him. Alex Jones is not problematic because people laugh at him, he is problematic because people believe him.

I no more take life actions or assemble beliefs based on Louise Mensch than I do based on Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Think about the implications.



Nah, she's been dead on with timing predictions in particular, and new information, in some cases before those things were things. She tends to get a bit florid in her prose, and she has filled in a bunch of gaps that so far haven't been anything (and has some absolutely AWFUL views anyway) but it's pretty apparent she's got some sort of source or sources in congress at the very least.

If I were a journalist, I'd literally never touch her stuff with a ten foot bargepole. but as a curious citizen, it's interesting to see how her rants parallel real world events.

The idea that Page took a video of Trump literally committing treason for quid pro quo is baffling though. Like, why not have a chat in person instead of giving an obvious idiot the most incriminating thing ever. I don't buy that for a second. Not even Trump is that stupid. It also doesn't make sense from a Russian perspective. they would no more want that kind of evidence floating around than trump himself would.

Mensch ultimately is interesting because she seems to get the odd week's notice on house/FBI activity. I think probably from a congress staffer or aide.

You can't "guess" detailed information on Alfabank or FISA warrants (the latter you could now, but back when she first started this train of thought it was not obvious)
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I'm pretty sure Slate had the Alfabank stuff long before she did. The FISA stuff was a good guess. She also said indictments would happen last week and that BLM and Bernie Sanders were Russian operatives. She is wrong a lot. She is peddling hope to a willing audience. Before this she was peddling GamerGate conspiracies. She has all of the qualities of an opportunistic fabulist.
 
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Ogodei

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I don't think that was Mattis being greedy, i think it was Trump's budget not matching Trump's own stated wishes. Which makes sense since Mulvaney had no real guidance in making the budget, he was just trying to stitch Trump's verbal diarrhea into something resembling a policy proposal, so no wonder it's incoherent and doesn't achieve what it wants.
 
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Gotchaye

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AntraxSuicide said:
I also don't think Ryan is the same sort of evil as say, the Koch brothers, or something. He drank the kool-aid pretty hard, and believes that if he dismantles the government, then the only people who will be poor in his new world will be lazy people who brought it on themselves. He legitimately believes this, whereas I'd venture most republicans only say it and then go drink thousands of dollars off scotch and laugh at the help.

Look at Ryan's bullshit about the "dignity of work." He's not evil, he's just really really stupid. His good looks have gotten him a pass for years where he somehow got the label of a wonk while 100% believing stupid things.
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I think this is kind of true, but not in a way that's very different from people like the Kochs. Ryan believes that a very large number of people are suitably lazy. I mean, he's an Ayn Rand fan -- the moral of her books is that the unworthy masses are keeping down the deserving few.

It's also not very plausible that he actually believes the arguments that he makes in support of the policies he wants. Like, the wonkiness he's famous for is mostly pretty dishonest, not just too simple or whatever. He clearly recognizes that he has to sell these policies to people who will be hurt by them.
 
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Wilsongt

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Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

I am committed to keeping our air and water clean but always remember that economic growth enhances environmental protection. Jobs matter!
5:49 PM · Apr 22, 2017

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