excelsiorlef
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What I will say is if this is how it's going under Perez imagine how it would have gone under Ellison.
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What I will say is if this is how it's going under Perez imagine how it would have gone under Ellison.
Boom.
Right there.
Staring the DNC dead in the goddamn face.
I just don't get it.
I'm not saying Bernie needs to be expunged, but the party needs to stop rallying around him. He has demonstrated more than enough now that he has no interest in appealing to the wider Democratic base on anything other than his pet issues, and more than that he will attack anybody who does.
The rift in the party will never be healed if the DNC keeps propping up the man with a vested interest in that rift staying good and open.
metalslimer
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The fact that we need a so called unity tour with a person who won't even claim that they are a Democrat is frustrating enough. It's fine if Bernie wants to go support people that he likes in white areas if he thinks that can help but if this continues the 2018 midterms leading into 2020 will remain dysfunctional.
cartoon_soldier
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They needed the Unity tour because Ellison supporters didn't think Perez is a god damn liberal.
Like what the fuck.
Like what the fuck.
ShadowSwordmaster
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For some people, the primaries is still happening.
What in the actual fuck. I don't understand what this party is doing anymore
Yep.
But that won't change so long as the sore loser from the primaries is still being propped up.
excelsiorlef
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My question is is it really unity when only one side is compromising?
ShadowSwordmaster
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No kidding. It's crazy that people can't just let it go now with Trump in office. Hell, even Trump thinks he is still in the election.
Bernie supporters, you mean. It's not like they know anything about Ellison or Perez themselves
Sirpopopop
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Bernie supporters always like to utter the "rigged" line. (Bonen & Plinko being notable exceptions.)
I think when people venture into conspiracy theory territory, there's no reaching them.
I think when people venture into conspiracy theory territory, there's no reaching them.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm not a Bernie supporter. While I think he should be utilized in a leadership position to appease his fans (anything to get him out of running for president in 2020), I also realize he's been absolute poison for the party as a whole right now.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I hope so
I doubt LePen will be able to get enough support to beat Macron. Hopefully someone like Melenchon but not pro-Putin runs next time, because if there's an economic downturn the attitude is going to turn very anti-incumbent and the FN would stand to benefit otherwise.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Hillary would have won by 15 points if the GOP had endorsed Hillary instead of working to help Trump
I do think it's something of a flipflop, because the comeback would be "Whiny protestors must be paid by Soros: how could so many people march for a Chinese hoax?"
they do, they all share the desire to fuck over the poor
This whole mess plays directly into Russia's ongoing trolling and astroturfing campaign.
Even this site is so polluted with that garbage that it's impossible to have a conversation that isn't colored by outside agitation.
If I were Putin I'd be clapping my hands with glee that liberals are opening themselves up to it again. they don't even have to waste time propping up Le Pen and May and Trump, they can just throw the occasional cat amongst our pigeons and watch us fight about phantom problems.
There's only one thing that needs to be done: Spotlight Trump and republican hypocrisy and dysfunction and explain how we're going to represent ALL Americans, and help the working and middle class as the world changes. There's no other path.
Even this site is so polluted with that garbage that it's impossible to have a conversation that isn't colored by outside agitation.
If I were Putin I'd be clapping my hands with glee that liberals are opening themselves up to it again. they don't even have to waste time propping up Le Pen and May and Trump, they can just throw the occasional cat amongst our pigeons and watch us fight about phantom problems.
There's only one thing that needs to be done: Spotlight Trump and republican hypocrisy and dysfunction and explain how we're going to represent ALL Americans, and help the working and middle class as the world changes. There's no other path.
Abinash117
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Democrats are still trying to plot away forward. Like I said before hugging close to Bernie is not necessary a bad idea because he is very popular and while what Perez did was tone deaf, like you said it is a very old idea that is probably a bad idea now. Perez is only now getting that.
Not supporting the candidate that holds close democratic ideas is what is possibly going make sure certain Dem candidates won't end up winning. What some people don't quite get is that compromising on some issues is going to cause voters to be unenthusiastic and not vote.
The problem with some of these people is that they likely think that since their ideals are fairly popular, they can force change so others accept it, but that doesn't mean voters are going to unconditionally support them. They are not considering the possibility of what I stated before and are hoping that the group that they are court is going to vote for them. Bernie is an independent and many of his supporters or people that think similar than they do are likely too. They don't understand that the base is hugely women and POC, and is the reason that Democrats "pander" is because of that reason. I think they arrogantly assume that by focusing on left-wing economic populism( personally I really don't think is all that economic focused) they are capable or retaining the entire base, energize new young voters, and bring back the WWC into the fold.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Fillon concedes, endorses Macron, it's over for Le Pen.
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/856217517941035013
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/856217517941035013
ArkhamFantasy
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Trump: Failure fillion cant even complete season 1 of firefly and now endorses loser macron over smart la pen, sad!
Pros and Cons of each? I know people were sweating Le Pen, but I'm not sure of Macron's politics when it comes to the EU and everything.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Macron loves the EU and NATO and has endorsed few other policies.
He's running on the "I'm not a Thatcher-like asshole, I'm not a Nazi, and I'm not a Communist." platform.
Le Pen is a National Socialist. She wants to seize the means of production and then give it only to white people.
Carpe Libertatem
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Le Pen Pros: none
Le Pen Cons: literal fascist
Macron Pros: not a literal fascist
Macron Cons: irrelevant because of above
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Is that the chemical weapon thing? Terrible. Just heard about it.
Trump said:
OMG I am dying.
Also, terrible person Debbie Schlussel has accused terrible person Sean Hannity of sexual harassment.
http://www.1170kfaq.com/shows/pat-c...-news-host-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The Holocaust was bad, but the French didn't collaborate at all and teaching people that the French did is demoralizing and anti-France.
This was again an issue of having Clinton on the ticket rather than "literally anyone else besides her or Bernie". She was getting endorsements in private, not in public.
Yes. That is the one thing you wouod need to be fucking stupid to ignore and it got ignored.
Carpe Libertatem
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Republicans would have never endorsed a Democratic candidate for president. The only reason the center-right is doing it in France is because it's a multi-party system
I would like whatever you are smoking if you believe that the GOP would in a million year, have publicly supported any Democrat over Trump in the same manner as Marcon vs LePen.
It must be some good shit.
Probably not the same way, but more public sitouts. Then again, it IS their party base now.
Too bad that there are prominent people in her party that still say those things.
Now? He's been claiming it since the election.
He always said 3 million votes were illegal, didn't he? Like since November?
HanShotFirst
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I think he's always said there were "millions" of people who voted illegal for Hillary.
Now? It's nothing new
"Illegal votes" has always been the way he's resolved his cognitive dissonance.
ArkhamFantasy
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He was making excuses about his loss months before the election. Ironically he ended up being right about the election being rigged.
benjipwns
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Trump won the popular vote outside of California, which doesn't count as a true American state because it produced the only President to resign, Richard Nixon, and real Americans never give up and never surrender.
Actually, this map is pretty amazing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_home_state#Birth_places
If you were born west of the Ohio River, good luck.
Born west of the Rio Grande, forget it, you have to move far east before you can become President. (Nixon was a resident of NY, Obama of Illinois.)
Actually, this map is pretty amazing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_home_state#Birth_places
If you were born west of the Ohio River, good luck.
Born west of the Rio Grande, forget it, you have to move far east before you can become President. (Nixon was a resident of NY, Obama of Illinois.)
Someone edit the map to put Obama listed as Kenya with the arrow pointing East
ArkhamFantasy
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The funniest part about the illegal vote theories is that it involves millions of people illegally voting in California to run up the score there for no reason and allowing themselves to lose by thousands in Florida, Penn, and Ohio.
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