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Avatar 2 Delayed Till December 2020
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VeryGooster
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Guess it conflicted with his next Titanic deep dive.
Really? Wow! I thought it was much higher then that.
He will most definitely read your comment and just halt the production of a multi-billion passion project of his life, yup.
Dash_Riprock
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Nah, I still say people here saying PS4 would fail and Avengers would flop/do middling is the biggest crow eating ever.
Bobby Roberts
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It's not that unique, really.
You have another 3 more years for crow build up tho? That's 11 years of crowness. Hard to top that.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Jesus Christ.
What I don't understand is the three year gap between the third and and fourth films.
That's gonna suck hard.
What I don't understand is the three year gap between the third and and fourth films.
That's gonna suck hard.
Not that they are measures of quality, but Avatar holds 83% on both Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. So the vast majority of reviewers liked it. Then you have the A cinemascore, the #1 all time box office and the #1 all time 3D and 2D Blu-ray sales, so the vast majority of moviegoers really liked it too. Maybe even loved it.
GAF is the only place I really encounter the vitriol/"the Titanic effect".
Just my opinion, but I'm thinking Cameron realized filming 4 at the same time is biting off more than he can chew. This movie makes me think there will be 2 rounds of filming. 2 and 3 now, 4 and 5 in a couple years.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Titanic doesn't get shit on anymore. Not since Avatar took the throne.
That's what I mean by "the Titanic effect". Titanic was shit on mercilessly on the Internet for 12 years. Once Avatar surpassed it? Suddenly it wasn't shit on anymore and now people generally speak positively about it. Now Avatar is shit on mercilessly. And like Titanic, when Avatar is eventually dethroned at the box office, I suspect it too will receive a more positive treatment.
Basically when you're on top, people can't wait to see you fall.
In all honesty I've same the same shit since Titanic. It seems his distractors began with that movie. The same with Avatar. This is pretty much on point except we have social media now which amplifies it. Doesn't really matter to him or the studios. If people stopped talking about him and his movies then they'd be worry.
Edit: It's not just a gaf thing. Like at all.
At least that leaves an opportunity for Disney/Lucasfilms to cement their claim on the second weekend of December as being Star Wars territory.
I'm sure Avatar can still find an audience, but by 2020 I bet even Cameron/Fox will flinch on going up against Star Wars. Even battling blockbusters during the summer is preferable to getting their lunch eating by Star Wars. Maybe they push it back to February to give them some breathing room. There are not big holidays so I know it's typically a dead zone, but Deadpool did great and I think many films have proved the time of the year isn't everything. I'd imagine you gain more through lack of competition than you would gain putting it smack dab in the middle of a busy summer schedule where you have multiple films potentially taking bites out of your gross like a school of piranhas.
I'm sure Avatar can still find an audience, but by 2020 I bet even Cameron/Fox will flinch on going up against Star Wars. Even battling blockbusters during the summer is preferable to getting their lunch eating by Star Wars. Maybe they push it back to February to give them some breathing room. There are not big holidays so I know it's typically a dead zone, but Deadpool did great and I think many films have proved the time of the year isn't everything. I'd imagine you gain more through lack of competition than you would gain putting it smack dab in the middle of a busy summer schedule where you have multiple films potentially taking bites out of your gross like a school of piranhas.
ryutaro's mama
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It's also the only place I consistently see people saying Tokyo Drift is the only good/best movie in the series.
CassidyIzABeast
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They haven't even started casting yet so I'm iffy on them even making that August filming date that was out there. We're entering "Detox is coming" territory here
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Right, it can't possibly be because people didn't care for the film or would rather he actually put something else out.
I just provided pretty concrete info that shows that, in fact, the vast majority of people did like the movie!
maquiladora
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2020 : "Hey guys, remember Avatar?"
I really hope it's incredible! For me, it's wondering if there's a big enough fanbase to wait for the films. It was a fantastic experience in the theatre and made the case for 3D like nothing else. But it'll be 11 years when the second comes out, and 3D novelty is not as exciting anymore. It just makes seeing certain IMAX movies a tad annoying now, for me at least. I trust Cameron to make a good or great movie, and I can see him doing something cool with technology and making these something interesting. But will interesting be enough for four sequels?
I think he realized filming four movies at once is too much. He's gonna do two at a time.
edit: Solo covered it.
old manatee
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They should do an Avatar 1 special edition for the lead up to Avatar 2, just to remind people that Avatar was a thing that existed at one point. They could refresh the dated special effects, maybe add a dance number and some cartoon dinosaurs walking around in the background. If Cameron plays his cards right he could have a real Star Wars on his hands.
Bobby Roberts
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What "vitriol" though.
Look, I just said the shit isn't unique. It isn't. That it happens here isn't weird. It happens everywhere. Is it the majority opinion? Highly doubtful. The majority opinion is likely one that doesn't give much of a fuck either way, as the majority of people's interaction with any given film is to watch it a couple times at most and keep it movin
But if the negative effect seems pronounced here compared to other social media, I'm gonna suggest that perception has something to do with the fact you've been a regular at this board for close to a decade straight, so your exposure to not only what is being said, but a familiarity with the people saying it, is maybe somewhat exaggerating how pronounced this "vitriol" is.
Bobby Roberts
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What would be more mind blowing at this point though:
Cameron coming up with a leap forward in CG imagery and cinematography? Or Cameron doing almost everything practically with models, puppets, animatronics, and sets?
Cameron coming up with a leap forward in CG imagery and cinematography? Or Cameron doing almost everything practically with models, puppets, animatronics, and sets?
CassidyIzABeast
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I'm just looking any tangible signs that this is going to start shooting soon man. I want a rumor about actors being up for some role or something man. I'm dying of thirst here.
Brett Ratner fills in for him.
There's plenty. Zoe said they are set to shoot before the end of summer into the next year.
I know people have a hard on for practical effects, but they ain't coming back for big budget sci-fi/fantasy movies. Practical creatures almost always look like shit.
Bobby Roberts
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So the latter would be more mind blowing then
LOL! Close the thread.
Bobby Roberts
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Close it up.
Extra Sauce
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I don't see a year in the Sculli post you quoted.
He might still be right (Avatar to release against Star Wars around Christmas).
Oh yeah, there is nothing wrong with having doubt about the film(s). I was going to come in this thread, make a joke about the length of production, and mention I am beginning to lose hope for the films. I mean, it also wouldn't be surprising if the film didn't do all that great considering the length of time.
But man, people are just needlessly shitting on Cameron. Don't get me wrong, some people here actually have gone into great length about the reasons why this is bad and why they don't think the films will succeed and I am happy not all people need to quickly post how their friends all hated the film before it was cool to do so (even though that has no barring in this thread) or crap like that. I shouldn't be surprised, it is well known that Neogaf has a hard on for randomly bringing up how "No one I know likes it" and "Man, finally people will stop acting like has amazing writing and an original plot" (which is stupid as no one in the actual real world even thinks this; apparently this film is the only that can't have bad writing and boring plots even though films like Transformers aren't nearly hated on Neogaf compared to Avatar) even though there are plenty of things to discuss with the film being delayed.
I am all for talking about whether or not the film will be good or if all the sequels are a smart decision. Heck we can even discuss if people still want an Avatar film. But people, come on:
"Nobody asked for these films" are you freaking serious? Like, really? How can such a large group mentality on this site exist? Even if this movie doesn't do well, it isn't like it won't make millions of dollars. Saying no one asked for a freaking sequel to Avatar is like saying no one asked for a sequel to Star Wars. Like how ridiculous can this forum get? Maybe now since it will be over a decade, but people were REALLY wanting a sequel and they put money where their mouths were.
Hell, it's like we are forgetting this is James Cameron. No one could have any interest in this film and he could release a trailer and have a whole nation excited for his film. Man, people (lol especially on Neogaf) were making fun of Avatar before the trailer came out and yet people still went.
Who knows, maybe something horrible happens and we don't even get a sequel after all this time? Maybe the film fails spectacularly? But you know, having an open mind and discussions about how delaying the film might harm or help the film seems to be available to only few people on Neogaf. Don't know why it happens to posters about Avatar as many of the people posting seems to usually have an open mind.
They have started filming this haven't they? I was under the impression it was well into production, and had been for years, so I wonder what the delays are about.
Conveniently means it comes out the December following Star Wars Episode 9, since Star Wars has the December blockbuster window all sewn up.
Conveniently means it comes out the December following Star Wars Episode 9, since Star Wars has the December blockbuster window all sewn up.
My guess is the tech wasn't were he wanted it to be. Who knows...It's a Cameron production.
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