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[AgentLampshade]

Gluttony and Greed kinda seem interchangeable. I associated greed with Kaneshiro since he's hoarding all that money and is so greedy he stops attacking you because he's distracted by the shiny shiny. Okumura owns a food chain and literally attacks with hunger.

 

[carlsojo]

Is there a mistake in the trophy descriptions?

I just finished the 4th Palace, and so far, each of the Palace owners have been called out in their calling card w/ their Deadly Sin - Lust for Kamoshida, Vanity for Madarame, Greed for Kaneshiro - and the trophy description has matched.

Except now on the fourth palace, Futaba's calling card called out the sin of sloth, but the trophy description is "Pyramid of Wrath collapses".

So, uh, what happened here?

My guess is that the Pyramid of Wrath is centered around the Wrath that Futaba feels she deserves from her mother.

 

[Zafir]

Gluttony and Greed kinda seem interchangeable. I associated greed with Kaneshiro since he's hoarding all that money and is so greedy he stops attacking you because he's distracted by the shiny shiny. Okumura owns a food chain and literally attacks with hunger.

That's only because of his main chain being food related.

Okumura fits Greed because he just kept wanting more and more. By that point he wasn't even happy with just having Okumura foods, he wanted to be a politician with power(which of course Shido didn't particularly want).

Kaneshiro on the other hand seems pretty happy with his operation, allowing him to chuck money around like crazy.

 

[Berserker976]

I have no idea how it would work practically, but part of me really wants the next Persona game to be: Persona 6: The Investigation Team vs. The Phantom Thieves. It seems like there a clear Holmes-Moriarty thing they could do with it that I'd be way into.

 

[Jintor]

why wait? persona q ultimax can be investigation team v phantom thieves

 

[RalchAC]

The "good reason" is probably "his probation is over and his parents want to see their son."

But hey, there's nothing stopping anyone from headcanoning that the gang ride their van off into the sunset and never actually take Joker home. (Well, the spinoffs probably will, but I will never play them and will never know.)

Dear Mom and Dad,

I don't want to go back. Probation period has been the best time in my life. My caretaker has stood up for me in a way you two didn't. In a whole year you never called me. I have a girlfriend, a lot of friends that saved me ass from juvie while you were having your yearlong second honeymoon without me.

I have 7 million yen under my bed (it's fake, don't tell the Bank of Japan) and I'm a master coffee maker. My sister has hacked the civil register and now it says Sojiro is my dad.

I'm on a road trip with my friends. I still don't know when Makoto found time to get her driver license, but who cares! I just hope stuff doesn't go south like every time we hang out together.

I'll go back to see you soon.

Maybe.

You seem to be fine without me anyway.

Cheers

MC

 

[carlsojo]

Dear Mom and Dad,

I don't want to go back. Probation period has been the best time in my life. My caretaker has stood up for me in a way you two didn't. In a whole year you never called me. I have a girlfriend, a lot of friends that saved me ass from juvie while you were having your yearlong second honeymoon without me.

I have 7 million yen under my bed (it's fake, don't tell the Bank of Japan) and I'm a master coffee maker. My sister has hacked the civil register and now it says Sojiro is my dad.

I'm on a road trip with my friends. I still don't know when Makoto found time to get her driver license, but who cares! I just hope stuff doesn't go south like every time we hang out together.

I'll go back to see you soon.

Maybe.

You seem to be fine without me anyway.

Cheers

MC

Damn.

 

[RalchAC]

Damn.

The mother of the MC in Digimon: Cyber Sleuth sent you messages every once in a while. MC parents are terrible people. That letter is my head canon xD

 

[daveo42]

That is super odd. His actual family never once contacts the MC during his probation period. Not. Fucking. Once. I guess that falls in line with the idea that most parents suck because most adults suck. Still, he spends a year away from home and never single peep from or even about his parents. I mean, his probation officer at least gets one line about scheduled visits.

MC doesn't have to go home to his family because it's in Tokyo with the Phantom Thieves.

 

[robotrock]

That is super odd. His actual family never once contacts the MC during his probation period. Not. Fucking. Once. I guess that falls in line with the idea that most parents suck because most adults suck. Still, he spends a year away from home and never single peep from or even about his parents. I mean, his probation officer at least gets one line about scheduled visits.

MC doesn't have to go home to his family because it's in Tokyo with the Phantom Thieves.

I might be wrong but I don't think your parents in P4 contact you ever either. I can't really remember why you moved but I thought it was generally assumed your parents liked you

 

[Zafir]

Dear Mom and Dad,

I don't want to go back. Probation period has been the best time in my life. My caretaker has stood up for me in a way you two didn't. In a whole year you never called me. I have a girlfriend, a lot of friends that saved me ass from juvie while you were having your yearlong second honeymoon without me.

I have 7 million yen under my bed (it's fake, don't tell the Bank of Japan) and I'm a master coffee maker. My sister has hacked the civil register and now it says Sojiro is my dad.

I'm on a road trip with my friends. I still don't know when Makoto found time to get her driver license, but who cares! I just hope stuff doesn't go south like every time we hang out together.

I'll go back to see you soon.

Maybe.

You seem to be fine without me anyway.

Cheers

MC

FYI Makoto mentions she has a license some time around when she first gets her Persona.

But yeah, lol.

I have no idea why the MC is going back.

 

[DrunkShogun]

That is super odd. His actual family never once contacts the MC during his probation period. Not. Fucking. Once. I guess that falls in line with the idea that most parents suck because most adults suck. Still, he spends a year away from home and never single peep from or even about his parents. I mean, his probation officer at least gets one line about scheduled visits.

MC doesn't have to go home to his family because it's in Tokyo with the Phantom Thieves.

What's the deal with sojiro and MC parents. He acts as if they have some history or relation but nothing seems to be shown either through the main story or confidant link.

 

[robotrock]

What's the deal with sojiro and MC parents. He acts as if they have some history or relation but nothing seems to be shown either through the main story or confidant link.

Someone that visits his restaurant is friends with the MC's parents

 

[daveo42]

I might be wrong but I don't think your parents in P4 contact you ever either. I can't really remember why you moved but I thought it was generally assumed your parents liked you

Yeah, you're right about that. No word from your parents in 4 either. At least 3 it makes sense because

Spoiler

your parents are dead

but it's more odd in 4/5. Probably ties into leaving the nest and growing into an adult, but it's still real weird even a comment about them is omitted past the start of the game in each.

What's the deal with sojiro and MC parents. He acts as if they have some history or relation but nothing seems to be shown either through the main story or confidant link.

He's doing it to atone for Wakaba and that's about it. The wiki says Sojiro is a friend of Joker's parents.

 

[Thud]

FYI Makoto mentions she has a license some time around when she first gets her Persona.

But yeah, lol.

I have no idea why the MC is going back.

For a bike.

 

[QisTopTier]

So after beating the game, is it safe to say that persona 5 is the story about how Satan saved Christmas?

 

[AgentLampshade]

Someone that visits his restaurant is friends with the MC's parents

Yet we never meet this mysterious person in the whole year we stay there.

 

[Thud]

Yet we never meet this mysterious person in the whole year we stay there.

It has to be that film critic.

 

[robotrock]

It has to be that film critic.

Hahaha, probably. Thought it was hilarious you could talk to him on your last day

 

[Novel Mike]

Honestly the ending mirroring P4 with the MC going back just never made sense to me. P4 it still sucked but at least you understood that Yu had a family and friends that he left behind when he moved to Inaba, the P5 MC doesn't really appear to have that and clearly has made a better life for himself in Tokyo so why would he want to move back now?

Out of everything in this game the ending certainly felt very rushed and felt like they just forced everything to tie together to end the story rather then it flowing naturally. There are still many questions remaining at then end of P5 some of them the game even points out like what was Sae's treasure and that kind of thing (also if they never took her treasure does that mean her palace still exists? Did the MC convincing her of the truth cause her to have a change of heart? ect, ect, ect)

 

[Zafir]

For a bike.

Doesn't she just say standard license in the English version, with no specification? I dunno about in Japanese.

I mean it makes more sense than her managing to get a driving license in the space of a month, or somehow finding the time between phantom thieving, studying and school.

 

[robotrock]

Honestly the ending mirroring P4 with the MC going back just never made sense to me. P4 it still sucked but at least you understood that Yu had a family and friends that he left behind when he moved to Inaba, the P5 MC doesn't really appear to have that and clearly has made a better life for himself in Tokyo so why would he want to move back now?

Out of everything in this game the ending certainly felt very rushed and felt like they just forced everything to tie together to end the story rather then it flowing naturally.

Nah, I this ending is def a bit more open, setting off on that road trip. I wouldn't really be surprised if Atlus goes the extra mile with P5 spinoffs and tries doing a P5-2

It's also just about the same as 4 as you don't really know what his life was like back in his hometown. I'm gonna assume it was probably great judging by how he gets on with people in this game though. He got his criminal record cleared as well at the end which definitely made it more enticing to go back to his hometown

 

[RalchAC]

Let's compare Persona 4 and 5 when it comes to parents that don't talk about you:

In Persona 4, you're with your uncle and his daughter. It's 2008, before LINE it's a thing, and you live in a peaceful town with less than 2000 inhabitants were the worst that can happen to you is eating Yukiko's and Chie's infamous curry. There are a couple of murders, but after mid april you frustrate everyone until a culprit is caught. Since they're abroad, the cost of calling must be expensive as fuck.

So yeah, they're not the best parents all around but, you know, they may have talked with Dojima or something and it's kept off-screen.

Now in Persona 5.

You have a criminal record and the only school that accepts you is in Tokyo. Your caretaker is a person they don't really know. Once month after you start going to Shujin, the school appears on mainstream media because a teacher has brought himself in to the police and confessed sexual harrasment, sexual assault and student abussing in general.

Two or three months after that a mafia boss gives himself in to the police, confesses that he's been getting a lot of money by blackmailing high school students from Tokyo. It goes to mainstream media again.

And then you give yourself in to the Police, say that you are the leader of the PT and testify in a case that involves the Prime Minister of Japan. Yo go to juvie for almost 2 months. During that time, your Confidants (which include but are not limited to an elected politician and a journalist from a prestigious newspaper) start doing their best so you are free from juvenile jail.

It's 2016-17, an era where LINE is a thing. They're living in Japan. You're in a much tougher situation. You don't get a single message from them. I dunno. That's terrible parenting.

Coffee family is best family. Futaba better hack my birth certificate.

 

[robotrock]

It's 2016-17, an era where LINE is a thing.

It's 20XX actually, long after the government put a law in place that bans talking to your parents.

 

[Supermanisdead]

Re release needs to add Hifumi as a party member. Please Atlus.

 

[asagami_]

Let's compare Persona 4 and 5 when it comes to parents that don't talk about you:

In Persona 4, you're with your uncle and his daughter. It's 2008, before LINE it's a thing, and you live in a peaceful town with less than 2000 inhabitants were the worst that can happen to you is eating Yukiko's and Chie's infamous curry. There are a couple of murders, but after mid april you frustrate everyone until a culprit is caught. Since they're abroad, the cost of calling must be expensive as fuck.

So yeah, they're not the best parents all around but, you know, they may have talked with Dojima or something and it's kept off-screen.

Now in Persona 5.

You have a criminal record and the only school that accepts you is in Tokyo. Your caretaker is a person they don't really know. Once month after you start going to Shujin, the school appears on mainstream media because a teacher has brought himself in to the police and confessed sexual harrasment, sexual assault and student abussing in general.

Two or three months after that a mafia boss gives himself in to the police, confesses that he's been getting a lot of money by blackmailing high school students from Tokyo. It goes to mainstream media again.

And then you give yourself in to the Police, say that you are the leader of the PT and testify in a case that involves the Prime Minister of Japan. Yo go to juvie for almost 2 months. During that time, your Confidants (which include but are not limited to an elected politician and a journalist from a prestigious newspaper) start doing their best so you are free from juvenile jail.

It's 2016-17, an era where LINE is a thing. They're living in Japan. You're in a much tougher situation. You don't get a single message from them. I dunno. That's terrible parenting.

Coffee family is best family. Futaba better hack my birth certificate.

I'm sure P4 is not set in the 2008... and even if it was, in Japan the mobile technology was huge back then

 

[chrominance]

Huh. Come to think of it, Ryuji's pretty much the only one who still has a parent he talks to on a semi-regular basis.

MC: see above discussion
Ryuji: dad's gone, mom's still around
Ann: parents gallivant around the world, basically like P4 MC's parents
Yusuke: mom basically killed by Madarame, dad = ??!?
Makoto: dad dead, mom presumed gone because otherwise why is Sae raising Makoto?
Futaba: mom dead, dad = ??!? but possibly part of shadowy cognitive psience conspiracy?
Haru: dad killed, mom = ??!?

Maybe the government didn't just outlaw talking to your parents, maybe they outlawed PARENTS.

 

[Weebos]

Re release needs to add Hifumi as a party member. Please Atlus.

It would be awesome, but it seems unrealistic without a lot of rewrites, plus she would probably need a new Confidant arc and possibly dungeon.

 

[Zafir]

Even with Persona 4, foreign calls don't cost enough that you wouldn't call your son once, seriously.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Huh. Come to think of it, Ryuji's pretty much the only one who still has a parent he talks to on a semi-regular basis.

MC: see above discussion
Ryuji: dad's gone, mom's still around
Ann: parents gallivant around the world, basically like P4 MC's parents
Yusuke: mom basically killed by Madarame, dad = ??!?
Makoto: dad dead, mom presumed gone because otherwise why is Sae raising Makoto?
Futaba: mom dead, dad = ??!? but possibly part of shadowy cognitive psience conspiracy?
Haru: dad killed, mom = ??!?

Maybe the government didn't just outlaw talking to your parents, maybe they outlawed PARENTS.

Based on Sojiro's conversations about Wakaba. I think she was just a single mom that handnt stayed with Futaba's father very long

 

[chrominance]

It would be awesome, but it seems unrealistic without a lot of rewrites, plus she would probably need a new Confidant arc and possibly dungeon.

I haven't really seen any workable suggestions for a way to add more story material to P5 Crimson, but I just realized there is an option that could be workable (though I'd need to watch one of the bad endings again). They could take a page from Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker, and have a second campaign that branches from the bad ending that just resets the world to how it was when you started, except the second time around you and all the party members have very faint memories of that previous campaign. This could allow for some reuse of the existing dungeons while allowing for a partial rewrite of the story to include new confidants or dungeons, extend the timeline past December, or other modifications.

That's one hell of an undertaking, though, and might be too close to a New Game Plus on the one hand, and requiring almost as much work as a P5-2 on the other hand.

 

[chrominance]

Based on Sojiro's conversations about Wakaba. I think she was just a single mom that handnt stayed with Futaba's father very long

That's my impression too, but there are some lines in Futaba's boss battle that make me wonder if she's actually met her dad and if he was one of the people berating her after her mother died. (But it's also possible that guy was actually just reciting the fake suicide note, and thus speaking Wakaba's words as opposed to his own.)

 

[RalchAC]

Even with Persona 4, foreign calls don't cost enough that you wouldn't call your son once, seriously.

Calling people wasn't a prevalent mechanic in the same way messages are in Persona 5.

Not defending Persona 4 parents. But it's reaaaaaally weird in Persona 5.

And Cyber Sleuth had your mother asking you every once in a while asking if you're doing well.

Based on Sojiro's conversations about Wakaba. I think she was just a single mom that handnt stayed with Futaba's father very long

Yeah.

I think people easily forget that side of Ryuji. There are a couple of scenes when he leaves early, talks about his mother or is just concerned about something related to her (like when he tells you the whole Kamoshida thing) were he is super sweet and caring.

He and his mother went through some shit before the father left. I loved the fact that they wrote him that way. Really highlights how he doesn't want to be like him, despite being short tempered and all.

 

[robotrock]

My take on parents in both Persona 4 and 5 is that they probably talk to you a lot offscreen, or else it would be a problem that they'd try to address in the story. If the game doesn't say it's a big deal I doubt it's a big deal

 

[chrominance]

I think people easily forget that side of Ryuji. There are a couple of scenes when he leaves early, talks about his mother or is just concerned about something related to her (like when he tells you the whole Kamoshida thing) were he is super sweet and caring.

He and his mother went through some shit before the father left. I loved the fact that they wrote him that way. Really highlights how he doesn't want to be like him, despite being short tempered and all.

It was sweet when in one of Ann's confidant scenes, Ryuji's working out with them and then is like "aw shit, mom forgot to buy groceries, guess I'll do it, later guys!" Good guy Ryuji.

 

[RalchAC]

It was sweet when in one of Ann's confidant scenes, Ryuji's working out with them and then is like "aw shit, mom forgot to buy groceries, guess I'll do it, later guys!" Good guy Ryuji.

I think the explanation is a bit low-key, but I think I read that Ryuji's parent was violent and abused both him and his mother.

 

[Zafir]

Yeah, Ryuji has some really good moments dotted around. Sadly most of them are in confidant scenes, like that Ann one, and his own social link.

In the main story you see him obsessing about fame, shouting, repeating the same words/phrases over and over too much, and it can overshadow a lot of the good.

 

[Young Magus]

So after beating the game, is it safe to say that persona 5 is the story about how Satan saved Christmas?

I`d say its safe

 

[Taruranto]

Makoto's mum is dead, they mention it briefly in the 6th Palace arc.

 

[Papercuts]

I think the explanation is a bit low-key, but I think I read that Ryuji's parent was violent and abused both him and his mother.

I know Kamoshida spread a bunch of bullshit about his family life, I don't think they actually say more than that unless I'm forgetting something else.

 

[Zafir]

I know Kamoshida spread a bunch of bullshit about his family life, I don't think they actually say more than that unless I'm forgetting something else.

I thought Ryuji mentioned the abuse in one of his confidant scenes.

I seem to recall hearing it anyway.

 

[Supermanisdead]

It would be awesome, but it seems unrealistic without a lot of rewrites, plus she would probably need a new Confidant arc and possibly dungeon.

Don't think so tbh. They could just slot her in early and like Ryuji, Ann and Yusuke she wouldn't have much story relevance later on. P3 The Answer was a huge meaty chapter with a new playable character and stuff. Persona 5 feels already so complete so just bringing back something they cut would be nice. Imagine some Japanese high fantasy Shogi dungeon with idol imagery. It would be nuts.

Atlus please, Hifumi needs to be a party member.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I know Kamoshida spread a bunch of bullshit about his family life, I don't think they actually say more than that unless I'm forgetting something else.

They're explicit about it being about how his father beat him.

 

[RalchAC]

I thought Ryuji mentioned the abuse in one of his confidant scenes.

I seem to recall hearing it anyway.

Yeah, I remember this too.

Having him so eager of some recognition and showing the world how he is worth something doesn't feel out of place TBH. Kid's life has been rough.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

I thought Ryuji mentioned the abuse in one of his confidant scenes.

I seem to recall hearing it anyway.

He does. Its really early on in his link

Good Guy Ryuji shows up a lot.

3 examples off the top of my head
1) The aforementioned gym scene when he bails to go help his mom
2) The mementos conversation that has been floating around. When Yusuke says something like hes not sure why everyone is telling him to lay low at school and watch what he says, when no one talks to him anyway. Ryuji follows that up by asking him to go hang out.
3) When Makoto has her big fuck up, and they leave Kaneshiro's club and she has her big apology moment, Ryuji just goes "eh, whats done is done". Good guy Ryuji is super forgiving, before anyone else in the party has a chance.

 

[Papercuts]

Oh damn, I thought it was something Kamoshida made up but I don't remember the scene too well. That's messed up.

 

[RalchAC]

Oh damn, I thought it was something Kamoshida made up but I don't remember the scene too well. That's messed up.

That's why sometimes I'm a bit ardent at defending Ryuji when some people start hating on him in the OT. I get it. When Morgana starts badmouthing him he strikes back. After a while he starts attacking him just because he is sick of that cat.

But he's probably had the worst childhood of them all. He is a kid that's suffered from abuse in his past. After all that, he has a nice and caring personality. Yeah, he is noisy and short tempered. He loses his patience easily, knows it and is usually thankful when you bring some sense into him (like when he almost punches Kamoshida). He is for obvious reason the person that wants to be recognised the most.

But it makes sense. It's consistently written. And he has a heart of gold.

So I don't like when people just write him off as if he was nothing but an annoying asshole.

Edit: Well, worst childhood is a tie between him and Futaba

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

I easily forgave Ryuji for his loudmouth and his mistakes with all the good he had done, and the apology he gave later in the game.

Its Yusuke I cant forgive

 

[formasymphonic]

Man that Igor reveal and the archived audio usage. Well played Atlus... fucking well played.

 

[Crimsonlink]

That's why sometimes I'm a bit ardent at defending Ryuji when some people start hating on him in the OT. I get it. When Morgana starts badmouthing him he strikes back. After a while he starts attacking him just because he is sick of that cat.

But he's probably had the worst childhood of them all. He is a kid that's suffered from abuse in his past. After all that, he has a nice and caring personality. Yeah, he is noisy and short tempered. He loses his patience easily, knows it and is usually thankful when you bring some sense into him (like when he almost punches Kamoshida). He is for obvious reason the person that wants to be recognised the most.

But it makes sense. It's consistently written. And he has a heart of gold.

So I don't like when people just write him off as if he was nothing but an annoying asshole.

Edit: Well, worst childhood is a tie between him and Futaba

Meh thats just using the past as an excuse. Not to say Ryuji is a bad character. He is simply annoying to keep as a friend in a group meant to be secretive like the Phantom Thieves.

Its perfectly fine to bash him for his big mouth and acting before thinking moments. He makes up for it in his own way throughout the story and he is the comic relief of the group. Him and Mona fighting is like Dog vs Cat basically.

People aren't wrong for disliking Ryuji's personality/character. Its not like you have to like all the PT members.