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Potato Masher (console-level used PC) vs PS4/PS4 Pro in Watch_Dogs 2

Edit: also i have never met a PC gamer who would buy a refurbished pc with an old ass core2duo inside it to then put a new GPU in it or who would advise a friend on a budget to do so. Like are we being serious here? I'm all for people showing that budget builds are possible but at least post something that you would actually buy yourself if you were on a budget.

I'm assuming that your background in gaming is console-focused, please correct me if I am wrong. I have reached that conclusion because your post makes it pretty clear that you don't know how frequent this scenario is and why the Potato Masher videos and other similar projects are interesting to follow. Even if you never buy a refurbished PC as part of a shoestring-budget build, even if you spend a lot of money on a top-of-the-line gaming rig, at some point you will inevitably be looking to upgrade. You will have a build with outdated components, some more so than others, and you will be weighing your options. You have to understand that all these builds are experiments, tests and trials meant to provide the consumer with useful information.

There's no reason for anyone to feel threatened because a budget PC can keep up with a console. It doesn't diminish the console's performance in any way, the existence of an equally capable platform doesn't affect your own experience. Budget PCs are a fine option and buying used components is a perfectly valid way of buying hardware on the cheap. PCs using a combination of new and old components is also a widespread practice.
 

Brohan

Member
I'm assuming that your background in gaming is console-focused, please correct me if I am wrong. I have reached that conclusion because your post makes it pretty clear that you don't know how frequent this scenario is and why the Potato Masher videos and other similar projects are interesting to follow. Even if you never buy a refurbished PC as part of a shoestring-budget build, even if you spend a lot of money on a top-of-the-line gaming rig, at some point you will inevitably be looking to upgrade. You will have a build with outdated components, some more so than others, and you will be weighing your options. You have to understand that all these builds are experiments, tests and trials meant to provide the consumer with useful information.

There's no reason for anyone to feel threatened because a budget PC can keep up with a console. It doesn't diminish the console's performance in any way, the existence of an equally capable platform doesn't affect your own experience. Budget PCs are a fine option and buying used components is a perfectly valid way of buying hardware on the cheap. PCs using a combination of new and old components is also a widespread practice.

I don't really know how you got to that conclusion actually. I play on both pc and console and atm playing witcher 3 on my Gaming PC(do I need to post proof?).

As mentioned earlier in this thread i have built plenty of Gaming PCs for friends and myself.

And it is not that i don't understand the point of this video or this thread. As i have said in the post you are replying to i am all for people showing that budget builds are possible (i know they are as i have built plenty).

My problem lies with the fact that alot of pro pc guys in this thread are posting incomplete builds (missing hdd, m+k, os etc), are posting prices of Grey market Windows Keys which are most likely stolen, are posting ebay auction prices as if those are the average prices and lastly are posting builds that i honestly would never advise my friends to buy.
All so they can post the lowest prices possible.

I simply feel that there is a level of dishonesty in this thread and i am simply calling it out.
 

00ich

Member
I don't really know how you got to that conclusion actually. I play on both pc and console and atm playing witcher 3 on my Gaming PC.

As mentioned earlier in this thread i have built plenty of Gaming PCs for friends and myself.

And it is not that i don't understand the point of this video or this thread. As i have said in the post you are replying to i am all for people showing that budget builds are possible (i know they are as i have built plenty).

My problem lies with the fact that alot of pro pc guys in this thread are posting incomplete builds (missing hdd, m+k, os etc), are posting prices of Grey market Windows Keys which are most likely stolen, are posting ebay auction prices as if those are the average prices and lastly are posting builds that i honestly would never advise my friends to buy.
All so they can post the lowest prices possible.

I simply feel that there is a level of dishonesty in this thread and i am simply calling it out.

The potato masher is not a build recommendation. It's a yardstick to measure the performance of old hardware against a console.
 

Brohan

Member
The potato masher is not a build recommendation. It's a yardstick to measure the performance of old hardware against a console.

Again i know this and i am not bashing the potato masher itself even though i personally would not buy it or advise anyone to do so.

I feel like you skimmed past some parts of my last post.
 
My problem lies with the fact that alot of pro pc guys in this thread are posting incomplete builds (missing hdd, m+k, os etc)

You only have to pay for these things once. A PC is not like a console, you don't have to buy everything again. Posting incomplete builds is fine if you point it out.

are posting prices of Grey market Windows Keys which are most likely stolen

I've been using these windows keys for years and I have never had a key revoked. Until there is evidence to the contrary there is no issue with buying these keys.

are posting ebay auction prices as if those are the average prices and lastly are posting builds that i honestly would never advise my friends to buy. All so they can post the lowest prices possible. I simply feel that there is a level of dishonesty in this thread and i am simply calling it out.

That is what was being asked though, wasn't it? Go back a few pages and read the posts. I didn't see anyone asking for recommendations on a mid-range build or a value-for-money build. The people that were asking for a budget build asked very specifically for a used build priced at used PS4 levels and some posters did just that. The extreme focus on the lowest possible price was by request. If you detected some dishonesty in posting these builds, I'd like your opinion on whether these build requests were honest or not. Were these posters really interested in such a build or did they want to prove a point and it didn't go their way?
 
I've been using these windows keys for years and I have never had a key revoked. Until there is evidence to the contrary there is no issue with buying these keys.

All my PC builds have immediately had a Linux variant installed, even on the rare occasion when they've come with an unwanted Windows install, no grey market required. That was always one of my problems with the Windows market, so much dodgy software.
 
All my PC builds have immediately had a Linux variant installed, even on the rare occasion when they've come with an unwanted Windows install, no grey market required. That was always one of my problems with the Windows market, so much dodgy software.

Linux's games library is still not where it needs to be though.
 

Brohan

Member
You only have to pay for these things once. A PC is not like a console, you don't have to buy everything again. Posting incomplete builds is fine if you point it out.

I reuse parts myself all the time but when creating a budget build to show a console gamer how cheap the price of entry is then i think it should be a complete build. At least i am assuming that a console gamer does not have a earlier Gaming pc to reuse parts from. Also the pointing out rarely happens by the poster of such a build if ever.


I've been using these windows keys for years and I have never had a key revoked. Until there is evidence to the contrary there is no issue with buying these keys.


I am pretty sure there have been plenty of threads on keyshops and how most of the Keys that are attained come from creditcard fraud. Although in the case of Windows Keys it can also be Keys that were intended for schools and or OEM Keys intended for manufacturers. Some people care about stuff like this you know disregarding the fact that the Keys work or not.


That is what was being asked though, wasn't it? Go back a few pages and read the posts. I didn't see anyone asking for recommendations on a mid-range build or a value-for-money build. The people that were asking for a budget build asked very specifically for a used build priced at used PS4 levels and some posters did just that. The extreme focus on the lowest possible price was by request. If you detected some dishonesty in posting these builds, I'd like your opinion on whether these build requests were honest or not. Were these posters really interested in such a build or did they want to prove a point and it didn't go their way?

I'm fine with used prices. People brought up used ps4 prices for comparison themselves. Heck i said i was curious to see a build for €150 as i know used ps4s can be had for those prices here. But there need to be some rules to this don't you think? Like i said those auction prices don't make much sense to me because if we are going to count those then i'm sure the ps4 price can be dropped even further aswell. How long before someone shows up and says that he got a used ps4 with a controller for €50 because some junkie happened to need some cash.

Edit: as for the question whether or not a €250 build that matches ps4 is possible, I think probably yes(Most likely a cheap pre-owned pc). If only because consoles are really being held back by their cpu's. Would i ever consider such a build? Hell no.
 
I reuse parts myself all the time but when creating a budget build to show a console gamer how cheap the price of entry is then i think it should be a complete build. At least i am assuming that a console gamer does not have a earlier Gaming pc to reuse parts from. Also the pointing out rarely happens by the poster of such a build if ever.

Everyone already pointed out multiple times that you shouldn't build something so cheap if you are planning on getting into PC gaming for the first time. You will be able to play games at console level. Multiple videos prove that. But you won't be taking advantage of the platform's strengths and unique characteristics. The main point of discussion is how PC hardware holds up over time because sooner or later every PC owner will find himself in the possession of an outdated build. Explaining the same things over and over again is a waste of time for everyone. I wouldn't mind recommending such builds if the requests were genuine but I don't believe they are.
 

oSoLucky

Member
I don't understand how the extreme budget builds are so informative if mostly everyone agrees that attempting them is impractical, or they would never recommend them. I think that's my biggest contention with the whole topic. Without an application to the average consumer, then a lot of the value is lost and I guess that's my hangup on feeling that the videos are steeped in platform wars. Maybe I need an adult to explain it in 1 syllable words to me or something.

Okay, thanks Sad Affleck. So it's about the long term implications for upgrading. I can get behind that. I guess it's the posters that obscure that message more than anything then. I still think the comparison to consoles isn't that great. Consoles don't compare favorably to almost any PC builds worth spending money on. Who shops around for parts thinking "this can beat a PS4" instead of "this is the best value for performance in my price range"?
 

00ich

Member
I don't understand how the extreme budget builds are so informative if mostly everyone agrees that attempting them is impractical, or they would never recommend them. I think that's my biggest contention with the whole topic. Without an application to the average consumer, then a lot of the value is lost and I guess that's my hangup on feeling that the videos are steeped in platform wars. Maybe I need an adult to explain it in 1 syllable words to me or something.

Imo tech sites create the impression that hardware is far earlier outdated than it really is. For example because it's benchmark bar looks tiny compared to a 1080TI SLI pair or that it's just no longer listed, but the reviews gloat about the improvements new hardware brings.
The potato masher is roughly a computer from 2010 still trucking (with a fairly inexpensive new GPU).
 
The focus is always on the latest and greatest but the existence of something new doesn't mean that older hardware somehow turns into crap. You can get a lot of mileage out of it by using sensible settings, even more so if you are happy with console quality and framerate.
 

FinalAres

Member
Okay, thanks Sad Affleck. So it's about the long term implications for upgrading. I can get behind that. I guess it's the posters that obscure that message more than anything then. I still think the comparison to consoles isn't that great. Consoles don't compare favorably to almost any PC builds worth spending money on. Who shops around for parts thinking "this can beat a PS4" instead of "this is the best value for performance in my price range"?

I would say quite a few just because games are generally built with consoles in mind, and if you want to be able to build current gen games, but want a PC...you'd definitely build your pc around equivalent PC performance.
 

oSoLucky

Member
Imo tech sites create the impression that hardware is far earlier outdated than it really is. For example because it's benchmark bar looks tiny compared to a 1080TI SLI pair or that it's just no longer listed, but the reviews gloat about the improvements new hardware brings.
The potato masher is roughly a computer from 2010 still trucking (with a fairly inexpensive new GPU).

That is true, and some of those disingenuous bar graphs really piss me off. Some sites go the Polygon route and start the bar at some arbitrary point greater than 0 to make the lines skewed. On top of that, even my GPU(780Ti paired with a 6800k oc) is starting to go missing from some comparisons when it still runs the majority of games great at 1440p. I see a plethora of older hardware when they try to push games at 4k on cards that obviously shouldn't even be attempting it in the first place, as if they're advertising for Nvidia.

Sorry for the slight rage derail.

I would say quite a few just because games are generally built with consoles in mind, and if you want to be able to build current gen games, but want a PC...you'd definitely build your pc around equivalent PC performance.

Fair enough. I have never personally even thought about consoles when I upgrade or price a build for my friends. I guess there are some out there though.

People that want to play the latest games on PC for the lowest price? The actual graphical quality added above the console baseline is usually not proportional to the additional resources invested, because the game assets and effects are not primarily designed for higher resolutions. The mileage varies a lot between titles, of course.

The the added value above console level might be worse than a simple benchmark points per dollar calculation would suggest.

Chasing graphical fidelity above consoles is a losing race against currency anyway because of the reasons that you stated. Performance is the biggest boon IMO. Just trying to match console will have you upgrading sooner than if you spent an extra $30-50 on a step up, especially on cpu/card as games are becoming increasingly performance hungry, especially the ridiculous VRAM requirements for some games that run fine with only slight downgrades on consoles.


You addressed my edit in your edit lol.



Im not trying to bring controversy, but comparing a build to a console isn't as valuable as comparing a build to benchmarks or other PCs to hit a target performance level IMO. I guess it's something that crosses the extremely budget conscious buyer's mind though.
 

00ich

Member
Who shops around for parts thinking "this can beat a PS4" instead of "this is the best value for performance in my price range"?

People that want to play the latest games on PC for the lowest price? The actual graphical quality added above the console baseline is usually not proportional to the additional resources invested, because the game assets and effects are not primarily designed for higher resolutions. The mileage varies a lot between titles, of course.

The the added value above console level might be worse than a simple benchmark points per dollar calculation would suggest.
 

AmFreak

Member
That was an auction that happened to end with €200 as the highest bid. Most likely not what the seller was hoping for. It is stupid to think that this is normal or that everyone can get Lucky with an auction like this.
This pc runs circles around a PS4.
And as i have said you can get a i5 PC for 60-70€:

i5 Pc for 65€
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Komplett-Mini-PC-Acer-AX3960-i5-2-8GHz-4GB-DDR3-DVD-Quadcore-4-Kerne-Intel-HD-/322481394353?hash=item4b156392b1:g:Z3AAAOSwpP9Y7lmL

i5 Pc for 67€
http://www.ebay.de/itm/PC-Mini-Slim-CPU-i5-2300-4GB-500GB-HDD-Intel-Chip-Grafik-/292066205944?hash=item440080a0f8:g:0KEAAOSw2gxY1Xgu

i5 Pc for 60€
http://www.ebay.de/itm/HP-Compaq-6200-Pro-/172524003588?hash=item282b3b6104:g:IcYAAOSw2gxYnOaQ

I could post endless links to PC's like this.
Then you still have ~130€ for a gpu and whatever you might also need.

Edit: also i have never met a PC gamer who would buy a refurbished pc with an old ass core2duo inside it to then put a new GPU in it or who would advise a friend on a budget to do so. Like are we being serious here? I'm all for people showing that budget builds are possible but at least post something that you would actually buy yourself if you were on a budget.
The claim was that you can't beat a ps4 with used pc parts for $200, so it doesn't matter what advise anybody would give to anyone.
And yes i used €, because that's the market i have knowledge of and because there won't be much difference between them.
Also what are you even talking about? The link i posted has an i5
 

theultimo

Member
This pc runs circles around a PS4.
And as i have said you can get a i5 PC for 60-70€:

i5 Pc for 65€
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Komplett-Mini-PC-Acer-AX3960-i5-2-8GHz-4GB-DDR3-DVD-Quadcore-4-Kerne-Intel-HD-/322481394353?hash=item4b156392b1:g:Z3AAAOSwpP9Y7lmL

i5 Pc for 67€
http://www.ebay.de/itm/PC-Mini-Slim-CPU-i5-2300-4GB-500GB-HDD-Intel-Chip-Grafik-/292066205944?hash=item440080a0f8:g:0KEAAOSw2gxY1Xgu

i5 Pc for 60€
http://www.ebay.de/itm/HP-Compaq-6200-Pro-/172524003588?hash=item282b3b6104:g:IcYAAOSw2gxYnOaQ

I could post endless links to PC's like this.
Then you still have ~130€ for a gpu and whatever you might also need.


The claim was that you can't beat a ps4 with used pc parts for $200, so it doesn't matter what advise anybody would give to anyone.
And yes i used €, because that's the market i have knowledge of and because there won't be much difference between them.
Also what are you even talking about? The link i posted has an i5
I had posted a used c2quad system, i could have gone with an i5 as well but i was looking at cheapest. if i added 20 i could have done an i7 1st gen as well.
 
I like the Potato Masher idea, despite the issues around flaky prices and used components. GAF should just be straight up honest with it, and maintain some common-sense PC configurations even if they're more expensive than console. Also, I'd like to see some attention paid to chassis/mobo size and quality. Just because you can fit PS4-competitive parts in whale of a tower for cheap doesn't mean you're coming close to competing.

As a torch bearer for the Steam Machine idea, I'm interested in cases like this:
ml08-dimension.jpg


http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=607
 
When I built my PC back in 2011 I wasn't building it to match a PS4 (obviously) and I don't think anyone would build a PC with that goal but it mainly took me a GPU upgrade which I did in 2015, to go well ahead of what a PS4 could do when it comes to performance. My 970 in May 2015 was cheaper than a PS4 at the time especially after factoring in all the free AAA games I ended up getting with it, of course then I decided to upgrade again to a 1070 last year but that was still about the same price as a PS4 Pro while much more powerful. I've finally reached the point where the only place to go now is a full system rebuild. I'm sure many have been in a similar predicament thanks to just how underwhelming the relative hardware (especially in the CPU department) of the current gen consoles were. PC has become my "go to" for multi-platform games while console/PS4 exclusives are only now starting to grab my attention.



Suddenly I'm reminded that I wasted $80 these last two years keeping my PS+ sub running even though I don't have a PS4 and haven't seriously used my PS3 in over six months.

*Insert obligatory backlog whining here.*
 
It's just a fun little challenge to see if the price of a used ps4 can be matched, noone is saying that you should build such a PC for gaming. Not because it can't be done, I think it's possible to get pretty close, but because you'll get better value in the long run by spending more.

Quite a few people have asked why so many PC builds omit stuff like the OS or peripherals. These posters operate on the console mentality of scrapping everything once a generation is over and buying a new device. You can go down that road on PC too, it is possible, but you are not taking advantage of the platform's versatility. Many parts of your initial PC build can be seamlessly transplanted to a new system and reused until they break or until you want something new. If you buy smart at first then the cost of upgrading becomes much smaller as only a few parts will need upgrading.
The OS isn't one of those reusable parts with Windows though, and for some reason, it's always omitted from the price list...
 

Hux1ey

Banned
When I built my PC back in 2011 I wasn't building it to match a PS4 (obviously) and I don't think anyone would build a PC with that goal but it mainly took me a GPU upgrade which I did in 2015, to go well ahead of what a PS4 could do when it comes to performance. My 970 in May 2015 was cheaper than a PS4 at the time especially after factoring in all the free AAA games I ended up getting with it, of course then I decided to upgrade again to a 1070 last year but that was still about the same price as a PS4 Pro while much more powerful. I've finally reached the point where the only place to go now is a full system rebuild. I'm sure many have been in a similar predicament thanks to just how underwhelming the relative hardware (especially in the CPU department) of the current gen consoles were. PC has become my "go to" for multi-platform games while console/PS4 exclusives are only now starting to grab my attention.



Suddenly I'm reminded that I wasted $80 these last two years keeping my PS+ sub running even though I don't have a PS4 and haven't seriously used my PS3 in over six months.

*Insert obligatory backlog whining here.*
Yea I know i'll have to upgrade my whole system the next upgrade too, this 3570k has served me very well for many years but it's definitely not going to be good enough for the 4k cards that will come out with volta. 1180 will be mine!

And I enjoy my PS4 but I've never paid for PS+ it's a complete rip off in my eyes, paying to play online and get given a bunch of indies I've either got on PC or I don't even want? No thanks.

The OS isn't one of those reusable parts with Windows though, and for some reason, it's always omitted from the price list...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-WIN...684978?hash=item25d4d788b2:g:BZIAAOSwvihZAS4h
 

LordOfChaos

Member
I love this project. Really seems to challenge the assumption that close-ish speced PCs will fall by the wayside due to this vague console optimization, but it seems so far this gen it isn't true.

Maybe it was last gen, certainly an X1800-ish performing chip wouldn't play the late 360 games (but the 8800 launched the same month as the PS3 would), but this time around they're so close to a PC architecture the PC holds up, plus the emergence of low overhead APIs on PC.
 

LordRaptor

Member
The OS isn't one of those reusable parts with Windows though, and for some reason, it's always omitted from the price list...

If you don't buy an OEM OS that is locked to a specific components (and even sometimes then) of course an OS is reusable.
They are sold as per user licences.
 
The OS isn't one of those reusable parts with Windows though, and for some reason, it's always omitted from the price list...

Sure it is. Only OEM copies are tied to your hardware and even then you might be able to reactivate by calling Microsoft. I've done so myself.

Edit: beaten
 

Brohan

Member
This pc runs circles around a PS4.
And as i have said you can get a i5 PC for 60-70€:

i5 Pc for 65€
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Komplett-Mini-PC-Acer-AX3960-i5-2-8GHz-4GB-DDR3-DVD-Quadcore-4-Kerne-Intel-HD-/322481394353?hash=item4b156392b1:g:Z3AAAOSwpP9Y7lmL

i5 Pc for 67€
http://www.ebay.de/itm/PC-Mini-Slim-CPU-i5-2300-4GB-500GB-HDD-Intel-Chip-Grafik-/292066205944?hash=item440080a0f8:g:0KEAAOSw2gxY1Xgu

i5 Pc for 60€
http://www.ebay.de/itm/HP-Compaq-6200-Pro-/172524003588?hash=item282b3b6104:g:IcYAAOSw2gxYnOaQ

I could post endless links to PC's like this.
Then you still have ~130€ for a gpu and whatever you might also need.

I pointed out the auction one specifically because that one seemed disingenous to me.

However i also mentioned before about those links you are posting that it aint as simple as that. Most of those computers are made by OEMs and are made a specific way. You can't just buy one and expect to throw in a aftermarket GPU without running into any problems. You most likely are going to have to switch out the PSU, you will have to check for clearance and you probably have to buy some extra ram. You also might run into some Bios trouble as those OEM builds are not really made to be upgraded.

The claim was that you can't beat a ps4 with used pc parts for $200, so it doesn't matter what advise anybody would give to anyone.
And yes i used €, because that's the market i have knowledge of and because there won't be much difference between them.
Also what are you even talking about? The link i posted has an i5

The stuff about to core2duo was aimed at the poster below you.
I also concluded that with €250 you could probably get your hands on a used PC that matches PS4 performance.
 

AmFreak

Member
However i also mentioned before about those links you are posting that it aint as simple as that. Most of those computers are made by OEMs and are made a specific way. You can't just buy one and expect to throw in a aftermarket GPU without running into any problems. You most likely are going to have to switch out the PSU, you will have to check for clearance and you probably have to buy some extra ram. You also might run into some Bios trouble as those OEM builds are not really made to be upgraded.
Yes and that's why i wrote "whatever else you need".
Your whole defense basically boils down to, "it may not work".
It took me like 1 minute searching to find someone putting a dedicated gpu (750ti) into the last pc.
There are also pc's on ebay where the mainboard name is in the description.
Yes you are allowed to use the internet to inform yourself before you buy something, as shocking as it sounds.
 

Brohan

Member
Yes and that's why i wrote "whatever else you need".
Your whole defense basically boils down to, "it may not work".

You do know how this just seems intentionally vague right? As "whatever else you need" could actually add alot to the price. Also what am i defending? I'm just pointing out that you make it seem cheaper and easier than it probably is.

And someone that's really interested and who does some actual research on the internet and "informs" themself most likely won't entertain the idea of such a build.


Edit:With that said i'm out of this thread. Liked the vid and the potato masher. Liked seeing what is possible on a budget. Disliking how it feels like people are trying to make things seem cheaper and easier than they are by leaving things out or by forgetting to mention things but i guess that's fair game here and mentioning it makes me a console guy or something. PC+console is where it's at though.
 

Lister

Banned
The OS isn't one of those reusable parts with Windows though, and for some reason, it's always omitted from the price list...

It's posts like this... the sheer number of posts like this, from people that obviously don't know a thing about PC gaming, asserting things as though they were some authority on the subject, that turns these threads into what they end up being.

It's drive by ignorant shit post, followed by being called out, followed by a deluge of others who aren't necessarily defending the ignorant post, but feel their "Side" is being attacked.

So sad.
 

AmFreak

Member
You do know how this just seems intentionally vague right?
No i don't, cause it isn't, because it depends on the pc you buy what else you need to match the ps4.

As "whatever else you need" could actually add alot to the price. Also what am i defending? I'm just pointing out that you make it seem cheaper and easier than it probably is.
It's as hard as building a new pc, if you don't see yourself able to do that the whole discussion is pointless.
But that was never the question that was asked.
The question was if it is possible with used parts.
And it clearly is, as shown, and so the question is answered.

And someone that's really interested and who does some actual research on the internet and "informs" themself most likely won't entertain the idea of such a build.
Ah again moving goal posts.
Doesn't matter what anyone would entertain.
 

Brohan

Member
No i don't, cause it isn't, because it depends on the pc you buy what else you need to match the ps4.

Still sounds vague to me but whatever.

The question was if it is possible with used parts.

I don't think that was the question. The question was about a specific pricepoint (it was obvious that people were talking about used parts because there wouldn't be a debate otherwise).

And it clearly is, as shown, and so the question is answered.
We already knew this, i said so myself. Not what my beef is about.

Ah again moving goal posts.
Doesn't matter what anyone would entertain.

Not moving goalposts at all. Simply responding to your passive-aggresive post about ''informing'' oneself.


Guess i couldn't keep my word about my other post being the last but i will keep my word with this one. If anyone feels like discussing some more then feel free to PM.
 

AmFreak

Member
Still sounds vague to me but whatever.
I obviously can't make a general statement if the question aka the pc is different in each case.

I don't think that was the question. The question was about a specific pricepoint (it was obvious that people were talking about used parts because there wouldn't be a debate otherwise).
Yes, ofc the question was tied to a specific pricepoint ($200).
Wouldn't make sense otherwise.
 

Spladam

Member
Using remote is hard. Holy shit, brain damage is real.

They didn't say they were "switching inputs", they literally said they were swapping inputs, as I assume they were moving their PC from it's desk or location to the TV. They way they worded it did not make it seem like the TV was the main location of the PC.
 

FinalAres

Member
I like the Potato Masher idea, despite the issues around flaky prices and used components. GAF should just be straight up honest with it, and maintain some common-sense PC configurations even if they're more expensive than console. Also, I'd like to see some attention paid to chassis/mobo size and quality. Just because you can fit PS4-competitive parts in whale of a tower for cheap doesn't mean you're coming close to competing.

As a torch bearer for the Steam Machine idea, I'm interested in cases like this:
ml08-dimension.jpg


http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=607
You want to check out the sentry case.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sentry-console-sized-mini-itx-gaming-pc-case-computer#/
Indiegogo finished (smashed it) so it'll be probably September before its available to the general public. But basically it's a console sized case that fits a full size gpu, and looks sleek af. :)
 

Steel

Banned
Sure it is. Only OEM copies are tied to your hardware and even then you might be able to reactivate by calling Microsoft. I've done so myself.

Edit: beaten

I've actually transferred an OEM license before. It succeeded because it was a windows 10 upgrade.
 
I looked into the idea of building a PC in a console-like case. I was eying Fractal Design's Node 202 for quite some time. In the end I decided against it because my existing atx power supply wouldn't fit in there. If I ever do a completely new build I will surely go with a case like that.

Edit: this is the case.

 

Bl@de

Member
I looked into the idea of building a PC in a console-like case. I was eying Fractal Design's Node 202 for quite some time. In the end I decided against it because my existing atx power supply wouldn't fit in there. If I ever do a completely new build I will surely go with a case like that.

If you decide to do it: Most SFX power supplies are bad and loud. I took me a while to find a good one for my SFX build, but there is one I can really recommend -> The Corsair SF450 or SF600. I have the SF450 and it is very quiet.
 
If you decide to do it: Most SFX power supplies are bad and loud. I took me a while to find a good one for my SFX build, but there is one I can really recommend -> The Corsair SF450 or SF600. I have the SF450 and it is very quiet.

Fully modular too, nice. Thanks! Did you build a small form factor pc? What kind of case did you use?
 

Hux1ey

Banned
It's posts like this... the sheer number of posts like this, from people that obviously don't know a thing about PC gaming, asserting things as though they were some authority on the subject, that turns these threads into what they end up being.

It's drive by ignorant shit post, followed by being called out, followed by a deluge of others who aren't necessarily defending the ignorant post, but feel their "Side" is being attacked.

So sad.

The beauty of gaming forums! :p
 

Bl@de

Member
Fully modular too, nice. Thanks! Did you build a small form factor pc? What kind of case did you use?

I was looking at the Node 202 myself but decided for a larger case (easier to build and better for a quiet and cool system). I have the Sharkoon QB One (was only 35€). It's a small HTPC for streaming, video and music. Doesn't have a GPU, only the i3-4170 IGP. But a 2-Slot GPU and 15cm CPU coolers are no problem.

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I was looking at the Node 202 myself but decided for a larger case (easier to build and better for a quiet and cool system). I have the Sharkoon QB One (was only 35€). It's a small HTPC for streaming, video and music. Doesn't have a GPU, only the i3-4170 IGP. But a 2-Slot GPU and 15cm CPU coolers are no problem.

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That case looks very nice! I'd like to make an ITX build!
 

messiaen

Member
These sorts of comparison videos have always seemed strange.

Every time the "Potato Masher" comes up I get curious and price out the parts at NewEgg and it comes out way more expensive than what the builder of the computer is claiming.

Then I get told to not focus on the price. Okay, so you're making a thread about a PC having the potential to have a better gaming experience than a console that has fixed hardware? Well duh, that's kind of PC Gaming's M.O. and not sure why it needs to be pointed out.
Newegg is rarely the cheapest place to buy parts. Microcenter often has them beat on the price of basically everything and it's a brick and mortor store.
 
I was looking at the Node 202 myself but decided for a larger case (easier to build and better for a quiet and cool system). I have the Sharkoon QB One (was only 35€). It's a small HTPC for streaming, video and music. Doesn't have a GPU, only the i3-4170 IGP. But a 2-Slot GPU and 15cm CPU coolers are no problem.

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That's a great price. Did it come with any pre-installed fans? How's the airflow?
 
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