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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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Sadly, I see a lot of people being pretty dismissive of Arthur's chances this time around. I'm probably a little biased--he is my favorite video game character--but I do sincerely believe there's a great case for his inclusion.
Setting aside GnG's legacy as a Capcom franchise, Arthur's inclusion caused an absolute eruption at NYCC. I know Spencer is more popular than he used to be due to MvC3 hype, but when they were initially revealed the difference in crowd reaction is unmistakable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL19fSP2kLk
And I don't link this to bash Spencer, just to show that people do genuinely want Arthur in the game and are excited to have him in the roster. At this panel Niitsuma also said he was heavily requested.
I think the lack of Arthur mains is more than likely due to how the Marvel 3v3 with assists format didn't do him any favors and, with that said, I think he deserves another shot in Infinite because this game looks like an environment in which Arthur would thrive.
No assists means people can't get in for free on Arthur and Arthur beats most other zoners 1:1 based on his projectile durability alone (assuming these values are consistent). I think, with no assists, Arthur would keep people out so much more easily. His strengths have only become greater. Even with projectile reflect, you likely wouldn't be able to do it on Torch, the Scythe and the Arrows (as the arrows would reflect above Arthur's head, most likely). Beyond that, since he throws multiple, I imagine if you reflected the first lance it would simply negate the other so Arthur wouldn't have fear of a projectile coming back his way. Overall I just don't see that as something hurting him too much.
His weaknesses: mobility, no dash? Infinity Stones, like Time for example. We now have Infinity Stones to give previously dash-less characters like Arthur a full blown teleport, among other crazy abilities. Plus being able to lock someone down with a torch and tag in while they're blocking the flames sounds like the kind of stuff MvCI is built around.
Plus people don't realize that, in Ultimate, Arthur had some of the most insanely impossible-to-block-mixups in the game. His instant over head was spammable and he could mix up his c.L and j.S at such a fast rate it's impossible to block on reaction. It's a complete guess. The pressure is crazy and what, if it happens now you're going to pushblock Arthur back to full screen in a game with no assists? Certainly not bad for him.
I know nobody really asked for a book about Arthur, and nobody necessarily implied he shouldn't be here or would be bad, but I think he's a pretty interesting topic this time around.
Setting aside GnG's legacy as a Capcom franchise, Arthur's inclusion caused an absolute eruption at NYCC. I know Spencer is more popular than he used to be due to MvC3 hype, but when they were initially revealed the difference in crowd reaction is unmistakable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL19fSP2kLk
And I don't link this to bash Spencer, just to show that people do genuinely want Arthur in the game and are excited to have him in the roster. At this panel Niitsuma also said he was heavily requested.
I think the lack of Arthur mains is more than likely due to how the Marvel 3v3 with assists format didn't do him any favors and, with that said, I think he deserves another shot in Infinite because this game looks like an environment in which Arthur would thrive.
No assists means people can't get in for free on Arthur and Arthur beats most other zoners 1:1 based on his projectile durability alone (assuming these values are consistent). I think, with no assists, Arthur would keep people out so much more easily. His strengths have only become greater. Even with projectile reflect, you likely wouldn't be able to do it on Torch, the Scythe and the Arrows (as the arrows would reflect above Arthur's head, most likely). Beyond that, since he throws multiple, I imagine if you reflected the first lance it would simply negate the other so Arthur wouldn't have fear of a projectile coming back his way. Overall I just don't see that as something hurting him too much.
His weaknesses: mobility, no dash? Infinity Stones, like Time for example. We now have Infinity Stones to give previously dash-less characters like Arthur a full blown teleport, among other crazy abilities. Plus being able to lock someone down with a torch and tag in while they're blocking the flames sounds like the kind of stuff MvCI is built around.
Plus people don't realize that, in Ultimate, Arthur had some of the most insanely impossible-to-block-mixups in the game. His instant over head was spammable and he could mix up his c.L and j.S at such a fast rate it's impossible to block on reaction. It's a complete guess. The pressure is crazy and what, if it happens now you're going to pushblock Arthur back to full screen in a game with no assists? Certainly not bad for him.
I know nobody really asked for a book about Arthur, and nobody necessarily implied he shouldn't be here or would be bad, but I think he's a pretty interesting topic this time around.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm afraid that I need you to find the source before people are going to spread the misinformation around.
As a matter of fact it's in the first post of this thread. SaikyoBro said that Spencer's inclusion "bodes well for other obscure Capcom characters."
lucebuce12
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Not gonna happen. I would be legitimately surprised if it does.
Son Of Sparda
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TheDinoman
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The one reason I'm worried about Arthur is because of X's inclusion.
I recall hearing in the past that Capcom didn't want Arthur and Mega Man together in the same game. I guess because they're both short jump n' shoot retro characters with a lot of projectiles. When developing TVC, Niitsuma actually stated that they choose Volnutt over Arthur.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/234/234680/index-2.html
And now X seems to be encroaching on Arthur's style even more considering he too has a special armor super.
I recall hearing in the past that Capcom didn't want Arthur and Mega Man together in the same game. I guess because they're both short jump n' shoot retro characters with a lot of projectiles. When developing TVC, Niitsuma actually stated that they choose Volnutt over Arthur.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/234/234680/index-2.html
And now X seems to be encroaching on Arthur's style even more considering he too has a special armor super.
lucebuce12
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Jawmuncher
Member
Agreed
No. Respect your elders.
Da-Kid
Member
Marvel:
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Ultron
Hawkeye
Rocket Raccoon
Captain Marvel
Hulk
Expected Marvel:
Black Panther
Daredevil
Ghost Rider
Doctor Strange
Spider-Man
Green Goblin/Doc Ock
Star Lord (Ft Groot, Gamora, and Drax in supers)
Ant-Man (No longer Hawkeye's super)
Black Bolt
Falcon/Warmachine
Black Widow
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Ultron
Hawkeye
Rocket Raccoon
Captain Marvel
Hulk
Expected Marvel:
Black Panther
Daredevil
Ghost Rider
Doctor Strange
Spider-Man
Green Goblin/Doc Ock
Star Lord (Ft Groot, Gamora, and Drax in supers)
Ant-Man (No longer Hawkeye's super)
Black Bolt
Falcon/Warmachine
Black Widow
direct_quote
Member
Gene is sort of obscure now, so Gene confirmed thanks.
Jawmuncher
Member
Bionic commando sold a million copies tho
Good shit, my friend.
Choppasmith
Member
I hope you have an archive of these setup. Best gaming gifs since Space Pirate Ridley's "pic of the day" for Smash.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Thanks guys.
I've definitely lost a few them, so if you guys like something then make sure to save it, haha.
I've definitely lost a few them, so if you guys like something then make sure to save it, haha.
direct_quote
Member
🤔
shaowebb
Member
I mained Ironfist and Arthur's daggers were essential to optimizing his movement. Arthur had sick tools and risingfang assist kept him safe from jumpers. Parabolic Tasky helped too.
Whole team had great corner and full screen stuff and it Really made me respect Arthur with proper assists. That dude was a monster in the corner or fullscreen. His faults can easily be handled with tags and stones already in mvci. The tag mixups and teleports would make him so good for this game.
sixteen-bit
Member
SFAlpha is after SF1 tho
VS series canonical timeline:
Excuse you, SF Zero/Alpha is apocryphal? It was replaced, canonically by SF Zero 2/Alpha 2. I find this image highly suspect.
BronsonLee
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VS series canonical timeline:
oh my stars, I can't follow this I need help
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Simple! The characters were the trophies (or figurines) that were played by a kid with vivid imaginations. Master Hand and Crazy hand are the kid's hands. Tabuu is the father who is upset with his kid for whatever he have done so he's trying to take those characters and his creative away for the punishments hence Mater Hand was damaged in the story mode, and characters turned back into lifeless trophies.
TRUE ORDER
Member
This makes me want to play XvSF and MSH again.VS series canonical timeline:
Master Thespian
Member
Confirmed:
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Hawkeye
Rocket Raccoon (ft. Groot)
Captain Marvel
Ultron
No brainers:
Black Panther
Doctor Strange
Spider-Man
Ant-Man (ft. Wasp)
Probable: Reusable assets with media presence and no Fox issues
Dormammu
Iron Fist
Ghost Rider
After that? I'd expect Loki, and Star-Lord and/or Black Widow due to movie popularity and a Spidey villain or two, Ms. Marvel and/or Squirrel Girl due to comic popularity. And I kinda feel like Medusa will get in too. She's going to be in a movie/tv show and has a unique look/power set.
The female and villain ratios really suffer greatly without the Fox properties.
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Hawkeye
Rocket Raccoon (ft. Groot)
Captain Marvel
Ultron
No brainers:
Black Panther
Doctor Strange
Spider-Man
Ant-Man (ft. Wasp)
Probable: Reusable assets with media presence and no Fox issues
Dormammu
Iron Fist
Ghost Rider
After that? I'd expect Loki, and Star-Lord and/or Black Widow due to movie popularity and a Spidey villain or two, Ms. Marvel and/or Squirrel Girl due to comic popularity. And I kinda feel like Medusa will get in too. She's going to be in a movie/tv show and has a unique look/power set.
The female and villain ratios really suffer greatly without the Fox properties.
TRUE ORDER
Member
Yep, without the X-Men and FF characters, the game will lack some good reps.
I'm hoping for Daredevil and Punisher, as for an Inhuman character, I see Ms Marvel being added.
Doctrine Dark
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Dimitri LH
Member
VS series canonical timeline:
MUGEN one got me
perfect, thanks!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That's why I hope it would increase the chance for She-Hulk to come back, since they actually plans way ahead for certain characters, like Rocket Raccoon and Nova in old days. Squirrel Girl, Ms. Marvel, Songbird and Black Widow would make excellent additions if needed.
For villains, I think they have good numbers ready for the roster if they feel like to add more. They have Dormammu, Loki, Thanos, MODOK (veteran), and future villains from other movies.
Doctrine Dark
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You're welcome, Jon.
The Gamespot impression revealed that Captain Marvel indeed has her energy absorption ability. I wonder how it works. My guess is it allows her to absorb energy projectiles and adds to her meter. I doubt she can absorb super moves, but you never know.
The Gamespot impression revealed that Captain Marvel indeed has her energy absorption ability. I wonder how it works. My guess is it allows her to absorb energy projectiles and adds to her meter. I doubt she can absorb super moves, but you never know.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I just realized that people just completely forget all about Elektra. No one bother to bring up Elektra recently despite that she have a role in DareDevil TV show.
Yeah, I remember really wanting Elektra for MvC3. I don't really care for her inclusion at this point in time though. The Marvel comics, TV and movie climate has really shifted my expectations and wants.
Doctrine Dark
Member
I remember when people thought Elektra was going to be in MVC3 because of the Hand Hideout stage.
I would be cool with her. I became a fan after reading Frank Miller's Daredevil.
I would be cool with her. I became a fan after reading Frank Miller's Daredevil.
Doctrine Dark
Member
If Vergil isn't included, I'm really hoping Nero is.
Daisy is my number one most wanted character, but if I could have any pie in the sky request granted it would be that we get Giyera in the game and he is given Magneto's move set. There would be salt and man baby tears the likes of which the world has never before seen.
That Dude John
Member
I wonder why her or the other five characters shown first weren't in the b-roll at all.
Doctrine Dark
Member
Same. I'm also surprised there was no footage of them anywhere.
We didn't see enough of them in that first trailer.
We didn't see enough of them in that first trailer.
Mr. Smiley
Member
Right? I would guess X or C.Marvel are witheld for more time in the oven(though as the new headliners that shouldn't be case) but Iron Man, C.America, or fucking Ryu?