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The Rise and Fall of Command & Conquer

Jawmuncher

Jawmuncher

Member
I want it back. Even if it's nothing more than HD remasters of the original Westwood Classsics. It's sad seeing the best RTS series silent.

Thanks for the link, I'll be watching it later.
 
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MurkyZebra2417

Member
I think all the C&C games are very good and even hold up pretty well today. Then came Command & Conquer 4 and was the biggest pile of shit I ever played in the RTS gerne and it destroyed the series.

Then the revival with Generals 2 got botched and Renegade 2 and the series is probably dead forever (or the next 5-10 years at least) now.

I could really use a good reboot of the Tiberium Saga.
 
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Turin Turambar

Member
Rymuth said:
What are your thoughts on the C&C series?
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I always liked it more than the *craft games. C&C1 and Red Alert 1, despite being one of the first big RTS so the genre wasn't still mature, are some of the finest examples of it, thanks to great mission design and careful difficulty balance.
And despite being RTS, they weren't as fast as people believe, they ran slower in computers that people had when they were released.
 
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Falk

that puzzling face
I liked it. There was a point in my early teenage years I'd play the C&C2 teaser at the end of C&C with the mech over and over again.

Red Alert started out awesome (Alternate history! Woo!) and quickly went to complete dogshit with so many things that were an insult to intelligence, such as Einstein not understanding how algebra works or what it signifies, then somehow managed to devolve even further right smack into casual racism out the wazoo.

Generals was great.

I'm not sure if it really counts but Emperor: Battle for Dune is one of the games I wish was readily acquirable right now because I want to replay it.
 
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PhantomThief

Banned
Jawmuncher said:
I want it back. Even if it's nothing more than HD remasters of the original Westwood Classsics. It's sad seeing the best RTS series silent.

Thanks for the link, I'll be watching it later.
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Well there is Open RA which also supports Tiberium Sun

I know that's probably not what you are looking for though.

Very sad they dont make c&c games anymore, they were damn good.
 
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Kasper

Member
I loved the C&C games of old, but the last many releases weren't really my taste, even among the ones that are generally well received. The first Red Alert is the height of the franchise in my eyes and the series died alongside the 90's. Generals was okay, but it's so different in a lot of ways that I don't really see it as a C&C game. C&C4 is an insult.
 
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Turin Turambar

Member
PhantomThief said:
Well there is Open RA which also supports Tiberium Sun

I know that's probably not what you are looking for though.

Very sad they dont make c&c games anymore, they were damn good.
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Watching some OpenRA multiplayer games made me think how that formula is lost, it's pretty much different of the Blizzard gameplay (Starcraft 2) or the Relic gameplay (DoW3/CoH2).
It's much more about raiding, open maps, lethal damage, hard-ish counters, and the concept of trading effectively to do economic damage.
 
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Starsunder

Member
C&C, C&C Red Alert, and Generals were all fucking awesome. I would love a true well done sequel to any of these, or even remakes.

Never played the FPS game(s), and have no desire to
 
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Human_me

Member
Falk said:
I'm not sure if it really counts but Emperor: Battle for Dune is one of the games I wish was readily acquirable right now because I want to replay it.
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Emperor was fantastic and waay ahead of its time.
The freedom of choice and different factions you could ally with was great.

I'd definitely instantly buy it if it ever went on Origin or Steam.
 
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lazygecko

Member
Jawmuncher said:
I want it back. Even if it's nothing more than HD remasters of the original Westwood Classsics. It's sad seeing the best RTS series silent.

Thanks for the link, I'll be watching it later.
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OpenRA is just that. The original games in a modern HD resolution client (Art assets are still the same as the originals like the AoE2 remaster, but that's completely fine by me) Albeit with some much needed balance changes instead of being 1:1 replicas. It has a very active multiplayer scene. And TBH I'm completely fine with this state of affairs rather than seeing EA attempt to do something with it again.
 
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Abounder

Banned
I reckon Red Alert is too politically incorrect and sexy for EA to risk a AAA budget on. And without those Austin Powers-ish cutscenes the series loses its charm and fans would nuke it on arrival. But then again we got a birther for president.

But a Generals game could make due without that...eh shame Westwood is dead. Closest thing to a competitor Blizzard had back in the day (Nox too!).
 
Yoda

Yoda

Member
Nearly all of the pre-EA Westwood releases were amazing. My personal favorite was Tiberian Sun and it had a slower, more chess like nature to it.
 
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Tecnniqe

Banned
RIP Westwood

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and fuck you EA
 
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KRaZyAmmo

Member
I miss command and conquer. Especially Generals and Zero: Hour. I loved the variety of Generals in zh. I could use a remastered collection of C&C games.
 
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Mr. Phellps

Member
I love the series to bits. It was such a shame that C&C4 turned out the way it was, it played nothing like a C&C game.
I was super excited for Generals 2 on Frostbite, alas, it was short-lived...
 
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pa22word

Member
Razgriz-Specter said:
Man, selling to EA was a mistake almost immediately.


How have I never even heard of 4?
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You have.

It was just so bad your brain warped spacetime and allowed you to peak at an alternate dimension in which you hadn't, then you shot yourself so you wouldn't exist in such a universe as where you played c&c4 to completion.

Op, what have you done?!
 
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Refyref

Member
C&C is my favorite strategy series, and Red Alert 2 is my favorite strategy game. I miss Westwood, there isn't really anything like C&C today.
 
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Tacitus_

Member
I miss them. At least CnC3 and RA3 were pretty good. Tiberian Twilight though, ugh.

Yoda said:
Nearly all of the pre-EA Westwood releases were amazing. My personal favorite was Tiberian Sun and it had a slower, more chess like nature to it.
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Tiberian Sun was under EA tho.
 
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Fantastapotamus

Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Rymuth said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ROk7Mgh13w

Very entertaining video. Had no idea there was going to be a sequel to Renegade and another FPS set in the Generals-universe.

What are your thoughts on the C&C series?
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That's not entertaining.
That's heartbreaking.
C&C was such an amazing series.
This may sound stupid but I spent HOURS playing against the easist CPU just to do the dumbest shit possible on the maps. I built zoos with enemy units in them, built 20 nuclear plants and blew them all up with a missile etc.

Also Red Alert 2 has still the best single player campaign ever with "Fox and Hound" being the best level ever made.

Also the Hell March
I could talk about the greatness that is C&C for hours
 
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Tecnniqe

Banned
Refyref said:
C&C is my favorite strategy series, and Red Alert 2 is my favorite strategy game. I miss Westwood, there isn't really anything like C&C today.
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There's really nothing like Renegades online either.

Not that I've seen.

I played that shit so much over like 5+ years for sure.
 
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MisterAnderson

Member
Never played C&C 3 or RA 3...maybe I should grab them sometime.

I feel incredibly lucky that StarCraft 2 exists. My favorite RTS series and I'm still playing it to this day.

Generals was fantastic though and was seriously sad when "Generals 2" turned out the way it did.
 
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mao2

Member
Great video! Red Alert 2&3 are super awesome games and I'd love to see a sequel. Make it happen EA!

Yeah it won't happen. :(((
 
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Pinkuss

Member
RIP :(

I as a kid got to number 2 ranked in the UK on Tiberian Sun, loved Red Alert on the PS1 and Renegade online was pretty awesome (56k and somehow it didn't feel like a lagfest, and I now complain about the odd bit of lag on a fibre connection...).
 
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Soph

Member
When EA ran the series and studio into the ground, I swore I'd never spend another pound on an EA game.
 
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boinx

Member
Red Alert 2 & Generals are my favorite C&C games and in general some of my favorite games of all time.

I remember being really hyped up for Renegade back when it was still in development too. The mix of RTS and shooter sounded awesome but when it came out I remember the RTS elements being really halfbaked and the shooting mediocre. I couldn't really get into the mp because my internet sucked which is a shame cos I guess that's the part where the game really shined.
 
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Tecnniqe

Banned
boinx said:
Red Alert 2 & Generals are my favorite C&C games and in general some of my favorite games of all time.

I remember being really hyped up for Renegade back when it was still in development too. The mix of RTS and shooter sounded awesome but when it came out I remember the RTS elements being really halfbaked and the shooting mediocre. I couldn't really get into the mp because my internet sucked which is a shame cos I guess that's the part where the game really shined.
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Oh man, the online Marathon hosted modes was great.

You started a match Friday after school and went to bed late at night like 6 hours later and when you woke up Saturday the map would still be going sometimes and you'd have lost like the refinery and the enemy like a power plant but the fights still kept going.




Fuuuck I miss those times...

<3 Jelly Servers <3
 
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TakeItSlowDude

Member
I have been replaying some of these games this week. Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge still hold up as some of the finest RTS campaigns of all time. General's is weaker than I remember, though the GLA campaign is excellent. Time to start on Zero Hour.
 
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Fliesen

Member
I still can't get Red Alert 2 (my absolute favourite) and Tiberian Sun to work on my PC. - even though i own the on Origin (i bought that C&C collection bundle...)

I keep replaying C&C 3, as well as Kane's Wrath, as well as Red Alert 3 + Uprising on a regular basis.
 
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XPE

Member
Tiberian Twilight talk about a franchise killer, one of the worst games ever made imo. What is really bad about it was that EA LA proved they could make a good C&C game after Westwood when they released C&C3.
 
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