titiklabingapat
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Man we really need an RTS renaissance.
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The Rise and Fall of Command & Conquer
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Gai Murakumo
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I remember Sole Survivor. I briefly played it once or twice back in the day. It did not hook me as much as the original C&C did so I stopped playing it.
it all became mobas D:
SteveO1683
Member
Man I remember playing RA on PSOne via the link cable with my step-brother. So many good fights that usually ended with one of us acknowledging that the other won because we didn't want to sit through the single frames due to the shear size of the others forces.
TheVoidDragon
Member
Steam has just started a sale for the C&C franchise (as in...just C&C3, 4 and RA3) but something that's a bit strange to me is it seems to use a screenshot of Generals 2 as the banner:
Why would it do that? Generals 2 wasn't even put on Steam in any form before it was cancelled, was it?
Why would it do that? Generals 2 wasn't even put on Steam in any form before it was cancelled, was it?
Turin Turambar
Member
potatohead
Member
Tiberian sun at the bottom? Ra in the middle? Wtf bro
Steam has just started a sale for the C&C franchise (as in...just C&C3, 4 and RA3) but something that's a bit strange to me is it seems to use a screenshot of Generals 2 as the banner:
Why would it do that? Generals 2 wasn't even put on Steam in any form before it was cancelled, was it?
http://store.steampowered.com/sale/command-conquer/
At least 4 out of the 5 are worth
Total Annihilation was my fav RTS but it all goes back to C&C and Dune.
I loved C&C in so many ways.
Also Red Alert had the best soundtrack of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUWUtTZvK4
I loved C&C in so many ways.
Also Red Alert had the best soundtrack of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUWUtTZvK4
My favourite RTS franchise.
I´ve been playing those games since i was a kid, starting with the very first one. Since then i believe i bought all of them on release day, except "C&C 4".
Up to this day, i prefer C&C to the likes of Starcraft, CoH or whatever Eugen Systems puts out. Part of it is nostalgia associated with the francise, but what makes most C&C games special to me up to this day is that it feels like a deliberate power fantasy.
I began to play C&C 3, RA2 and Tiberian Sun again recently, and what struck me was that those games are made to be fun first and foremost. None of them achieves a balance that can rival Starcraft for example, but to me, that was never the point.
Playing C&C today still gives me a feel like being a 5-year old playing with his toy tanks. Its a perfect power fantasy of churning out an army of awesome soldiers, tanks and aircraft, watching them burn and explode and destroy whatever is in their way.
Part of it is that most C&C games are somewhat outlandish, yet relateable. Tanks run over things, soldier can enter building and vehicles etc...
A bolt of lighting from a Tesla Tank does what makes sense, even though it doesnt make sense, but within the power fantasy it all works perfectly fine. While no C&C is as snappy as Starcraft, thats a huge part of what makes it so relateable. Tanks are not the fastest vehicles when it comes to turning, especially a Mammoth Tank is slow as fuck in that regard. But it fits all so well together.
Essentially its an arcady futuristic army simulator with a rule set more akin to a childs sandbox playing with friends, were the deciding factor whose tank got destroyed was whoever screamed the loudest that they won, in contrast to a truely believeable simulation.
But that is the fun part, its unrealistic yet relateable in all the right ways.
I mourn for this franchise obviously :-/
I´ve been playing those games since i was a kid, starting with the very first one. Since then i believe i bought all of them on release day, except "C&C 4".
Up to this day, i prefer C&C to the likes of Starcraft, CoH or whatever Eugen Systems puts out. Part of it is nostalgia associated with the francise, but what makes most C&C games special to me up to this day is that it feels like a deliberate power fantasy.
I began to play C&C 3, RA2 and Tiberian Sun again recently, and what struck me was that those games are made to be fun first and foremost. None of them achieves a balance that can rival Starcraft for example, but to me, that was never the point.
Playing C&C today still gives me a feel like being a 5-year old playing with his toy tanks. Its a perfect power fantasy of churning out an army of awesome soldiers, tanks and aircraft, watching them burn and explode and destroy whatever is in their way.
Part of it is that most C&C games are somewhat outlandish, yet relateable. Tanks run over things, soldier can enter building and vehicles etc...
A bolt of lighting from a Tesla Tank does what makes sense, even though it doesnt make sense, but within the power fantasy it all works perfectly fine. While no C&C is as snappy as Starcraft, thats a huge part of what makes it so relateable. Tanks are not the fastest vehicles when it comes to turning, especially a Mammoth Tank is slow as fuck in that regard. But it fits all so well together.
Essentially its an arcady futuristic army simulator with a rule set more akin to a childs sandbox playing with friends, were the deciding factor whose tank got destroyed was whoever screamed the loudest that they won, in contrast to a truely believeable simulation.
But that is the fun part, its unrealistic yet relateable in all the right ways.
I mourn for this franchise obviously :-/
Turin Turambar
Member
In the day,they were 'AAA games', the production values were lavish, from the custom elaborate installation in C&C1, to the music, to each mission having a briefing video, 1 intro CG video and sometimes 1 outro CG video.
RenegadeXV8
Banned
Tiberian Sun is still my favorite, simply because it was the first one I bought as a kid. My dad and I played the hell out of it in skirmish. I remember downloading tons of mods and maps... ahh man, miss those days.
How could I forget this? Those were great.
RA2 for me is the defining one but TS I probably spent days building walls and giant bases on the same map
Gai Murakumo
Member
Those were dope back in the day. My favorite is still Welcome Back Commander from when you boot Tiberian Sun for the first time.
Katana_Strikes
Member
EA completely murdered the franchise in the end. With greed, multiple studio closures and total mismanagement. C+C4 was a shambolic mess.
But it's an amazing that they sit on a huge franchise and seemingly willing to do nothing good with it. If they could put a team together to make something special, the foundations are there. Go back to its roots. I don't want flashy 3D. Something simple graphically like the old ones would be more than enough. Heck even a remaster of the original would be a great start.
I think it's time to bring C+C back. Back to its glory.
But it's an amazing that they sit on a huge franchise and seemingly willing to do nothing good with it. If they could put a team together to make something special, the foundations are there. Go back to its roots. I don't want flashy 3D. Something simple graphically like the old ones would be more than enough. Heck even a remaster of the original would be a great start.
I think it's time to bring C+C back. Back to its glory.
LoveCake
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TheVoidDragon
Member
Steam has just started a sale for the C&C franchise (as in...just C&C3, 4 and RA3) but something that's a bit strange to me is it seems to use a screenshot of Generals 2 as the banner:
Why would it do that? Generals 2 wasn't even put on Steam in any form before it was cancelled, was it?
Quoting my own post but i still don't understand this. I've looked into it so more and it seems this might be the only time this image has been used to represent the franchise as it's the only example of it i can find using google reverse image search, so during this specific sale. The game didn't get anywhere near a Steam release, doesn't actually represent the Franchise and this seems to be a new image so i really can't figure out why they'd use that in particular. Am i missing something?
Anyone know if there are studios out there with clusters of people who used to work on the RTS games before this decade?
Obviously EA has the franchise rights but in times of everything getting crowdfunded revivals I'm surprised nobody who was involved is properly betting on that nostalgia with a "not-C&C but C&C"
Obviously EA has the franchise rights but in times of everything getting crowdfunded revivals I'm surprised nobody who was involved is properly betting on that nostalgia with a "not-C&C but C&C"
Petroglyph? They've released Grey Goo, 8-Bit Armies on Steam, but not to much fanfare.
Petroglyph has a bunch of ex-Westwood devs (and Klepacki!). They've made a couple of RTS games and this is their most recent effort:
Petroglyph has a bunch of ex-Westwood devs (and Klepacki!). They've made a couple of RTS games and this is their most recent effort:
Oh? I should check those out.
TheVoidDragon
Member
Petroglyph has a bunch of ex-Westwood devs (and Klepacki!). They've made a couple of RTS games and this is their most recent effort:
This looks interesting, but the art style puts me off it. That style sort lacks depth, detail and seriousness, i don't think it really fits with this sort of RTS game.
I think part of what made C&C enjoyable was the lore and setting anyway, so even if the gameplay is great it'll still be missing something without a good theme to back it up.
Turin Turambar
Member
In an nostalgia attack, I installed C&C the first Decade and I'm playing RA1.
It's more outdated in controls than I remembered. The usual in these cases, in other words.
-No double click on control group to center the view on it.
-No double click on an unit to select all of the same type.
-No queue to built units. Want to build 20 infantry? Click 20 times on the icon, having to wait for each one to be done until you can click the next one.
-No attack move command.
Alos, the pathfinding a bit iffy in places.
It's more outdated in controls than I remembered. The usual in these cases, in other words.
-No double click on control group to center the view on it.
-No double click on an unit to select all of the same type.
-No queue to built units. Want to build 20 infantry? Click 20 times on the icon, having to wait for each one to be done until you can click the next one.
-No attack move command.
Alos, the pathfinding a bit iffy in places.
potatohead
Member
It's from like early 90s...,
bonesmccoy
Banned
I did the same a couple years ago. Wish I hadn't lol
On the topic of the traditional, in the same vein of C&C, RTS, I have found Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak to be the best of the rest releases. It blends the action/unit-building of the 1990s with the QoL improvements we now take for granted. And if you squint it even looks a bit like Nod versus GDI too.
In terms of overall RTS fun though, the Wargame series is close to perfection for me. I loved Red Dragon, even if the naval bits didn't turn out as good as anyone hoped. I'm cautiously optimistic for their new WW2 take on that same model.
Turin Turambar
Member
Yep, I enjoyed Homeword DoK, I wish the campaign had 2 or 3 more missions in fact.
About my previous post, well, I wish Ea wouuld do a cheap remaster fixing those problems.
About my previous post, well, I wish Ea wouuld do a cheap remaster fixing those problems.
Turin Turambar
Member
Yeah, but I'm not interested in multiplayer. The campaigns aren't complete, and the skirmish AI is very bad. So maybe I will try it again in three years?
Katana_Strikes
Member
And all forgivable but still perfectly playable and very much still highly enjoyable to this day.
Currently playing through Yuris Revenge now. Finished up most of the series prior. The Red Alert series is defo my fave (still not sure which out of 1 and 2 I prefer). But possibly Generals might be my fave but we'll see again when I return to it soon.
