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Does listening to rap make you a misogynist?
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It most certainly influenced my attitudes towards girls when I was a kid. I say this as a life long fan of rap whose discography is 99% hip hop. But I'd be lying if I denied that listening to gangsta rap in the late 80's and early 90's just as I was hitting puberty tainted my perception of girls, sex, and relationships. Obviously as I got older I sorted that shit out, but as an impressionable kid, yeah "bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks" had a negative impact on me.
Hip hop is the most powerful genre in modern music, and that can be both positive and negative depending on the circumstances.
But does the fact a person listen to rap automatically make you a misogynist? Of course not, thats fucking ridiculous.
Hip hop is the most powerful genre in modern music, and that can be both positive and negative depending on the circumstances.
But does the fact a person listen to rap automatically make you a misogynist? Of course not, thats fucking ridiculous.
So as that impressionable kid.. what did that "bitches ain't shit" materialize as?
Is what you would say if...
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
The medium, like all types of music, may be misogynistic, but individual songs can vary. It's up for you to decide. Overall what matters more is if you're an actual misogynist. Other than that, listening to/enjoying such songs is irrelevant.
Non trap rap can be just as crude though.
Piston Hyundai
Member
No, my vehement, irrational hatred of women makes me a misogynist.
A general attitude and expectation that girls are less important then boys, that sex is just expected from them, that it's ok to disparage and insult them.
and according to that one guy, the fact that you enjoy rap music.
It does not, the same way that consuming video games or movies with shit potrayals of women doesn't make you a misogynist.
But it's fair game to call out the bullshit in the medium, though. And you can enjoy that medium while simultaneously recognizing the inherent bullshit in it.
But it's fair game to call out the bullshit in the medium, though. And you can enjoy that medium while simultaneously recognizing the inherent bullshit in it.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
No, but depending on how impressionable you are, you can derive some of your views from the types of music that you listen to. This isn't limited to rap though. Nor is it limited to just music, all types of media have this as a consequence.
You can also filter out the type of entertainment you want to expose yourself to depending on your tolerance for things as well. I choose not to listen to Eminem because of his blatant homophobia, for example.
You can also filter out the type of entertainment you want to expose yourself to depending on your tolerance for things as well. I choose not to listen to Eminem because of his blatant homophobia, for example.
ManUnkindH
Member
Yes!
And listening to metal makes me wanna murder babies and eat them.
And listening to metal makes me wanna murder babies and eat them.
Fucking political correctness will be the doom of us all.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
No, no it's not.
It's not difficult to be mindful of what you say. People have been doing it all the time
I'm not really a fan of misogynist rap but I love the type music thar Mos Def and Talib Kweli make etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftwT-HI86kA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftwT-HI86kA
Salty Rice
Member
Rarely listen to shitty music so no. /s
Discotheque
Banned
i listen to a lot of hip hop and the only thing I've done on that list is sell drugs to children. don't generalize.
And_Gignac
Member
I think it is important to acknowledge that a section of Mainstream rap, reggaeton and Mexican regional music have a huge problem with misogynistic / homophobic / glorification of violence lyrics that mainstream rock do not have, unless you go into obscure genres.
Dunno about country though. I only know country by Trixie Mattel.
Dunno about country though. I only know country by Trixie Mattel.
Messofanego
Banned
You can enjoy a work of art and still criticise its problematic elements to the highest degree.
clipping identify as feminists, and some of it comes up in their lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuto-ksyDmQ
Men are flashing their belt buckle and wallet leather clock
And they can't stop watching they're jockin' em
While she rockin' them 8 inch stilettos
Ain't into metal, just leather and lace and the taste of oxidation
Lay still and let her let like leech and suck
She might let you fuck but she want
Body and blood
She don't need you for shit but your dick and your veins
And your guts and your (body and blood)
Every man say she thick and they wish they could bang
When she strut, she got (body and blood)
Nails did, hair did, body right, teeth white
Knives sharp, gettin' (body and blood)
If you a bad bitch, let 'em know you ain't out for the dough
You want (body and blood)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GozE6XEqg
They callin' me Griselda the harlot
My Blahniks erotic
Can't walk the heel is enormous
The arm in the armrest
(Click clack)
These dames is dormant
I came up from boosting my garments
Switching my handbags
How I switching my polish
Never catch me in the same blouse
Unless I'm running to Target
Never catch me in a large crowd
Unless I'm the life of the party
I been hitting from September to August
Ahead of my time like lil' old ladies and bonnets
All I need is a sickle imma reap me a harvest
The hardest thing I had to do was to make a real promise
I been countin' money since elementary
That's why these broke boys ain't gettin' into me
And when the stash low
And it ain't no cash flow
Shit I go to work
Move it by the boat load
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfc6GMtqaiw
Cold winter
Sittin' on the table, cold dinner
Wine gone but the lipstick mark on the glass let him know you had more than a
Casual acquaintance
With whoever you had left with at 2:15 in the PM
Plus you been ignoring all his DMs
And the last text that you left said you'll see him on the weekend
"Oh, you talk about love like you mean it," he sings to himself
But no, that's a man and he just got to see it, babe
You pay no attention to the way the blinds seem to move when there isn't a wind
Or the silence you get when you answer blocked numbers
You already know that it's him
Underwear on the floor, girl
Lead him right to the door, girl
And that necklace he gave you that you said you loved
Was all tangled and tore
And his world was too cause his world was you
When you tryin' to fight another world war
What the fuck did you expect a man to do?
clipping identify as feminists, and some of it comes up in their lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuto-ksyDmQ
Men are flashing their belt buckle and wallet leather clock
And they can't stop watching they're jockin' em
While she rockin' them 8 inch stilettos
Ain't into metal, just leather and lace and the taste of oxidation
Lay still and let her let like leech and suck
She might let you fuck but she want
Body and blood
She don't need you for shit but your dick and your veins
And your guts and your (body and blood)
Every man say she thick and they wish they could bang
When she strut, she got (body and blood)
Nails did, hair did, body right, teeth white
Knives sharp, gettin' (body and blood)
If you a bad bitch, let 'em know you ain't out for the dough
You want (body and blood)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GozE6XEqg
They callin' me Griselda the harlot
My Blahniks erotic
Can't walk the heel is enormous
The arm in the armrest
(Click clack)
These dames is dormant
I came up from boosting my garments
Switching my handbags
How I switching my polish
Never catch me in the same blouse
Unless I'm running to Target
Never catch me in a large crowd
Unless I'm the life of the party
I been hitting from September to August
Ahead of my time like lil' old ladies and bonnets
All I need is a sickle imma reap me a harvest
The hardest thing I had to do was to make a real promise
I been countin' money since elementary
That's why these broke boys ain't gettin' into me
And when the stash low
And it ain't no cash flow
Shit I go to work
Move it by the boat load
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfc6GMtqaiw
Cold winter
Sittin' on the table, cold dinner
Wine gone but the lipstick mark on the glass let him know you had more than a
Casual acquaintance
With whoever you had left with at 2:15 in the PM
Plus you been ignoring all his DMs
And the last text that you left said you'll see him on the weekend
"Oh, you talk about love like you mean it," he sings to himself
But no, that's a man and he just got to see it, babe
You pay no attention to the way the blinds seem to move when there isn't a wind
Or the silence you get when you answer blocked numbers
You already know that it's him
Underwear on the floor, girl
Lead him right to the door, girl
And that necklace he gave you that you said you loved
Was all tangled and tore
And his world was too cause his world was you
When you tryin' to fight another world war
What the fuck did you expect a man to do?
DeadRockstar
Member
No, because this implies the listener cannot be trusted to identify attitudes they don't agree with in art they otherwise like. There is an implicit condescension on the part of the person making this accusation: that it's not they who would be influenced by misogyny present in art, but lesser folks like you who need a moral watchdog to prevent them falling into the gully of misogyny.
Zelenogorsk
Banned
Listening to death metal doesn't make me a murderer.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
False equivalence the thread.
I don't think it does, so long as you recognize how those lyrics can be harmful, and have helped reinforce a culture of homophobia and sexisim. (for the rap this applies to, there's plenty of great clean rap out there). Oh and probably don't sing along, I'm not just talking about White people singing n*gger, but black or white people singing the homophobic and misogynistic parts - it's just as bad of a look imo
I don't think it does, so long as you recognize how those lyrics can be harmful, and have helped reinforce a culture of homophobia and sexisim. (for the rap this applies to, there's plenty of great clean rap out there). Oh and probably don't sing along, I'm not just talking about White people singing n*gger, but black or white people singing the homophobic and misogynistic parts - it's just as bad of a look imo
Hell, people applied that to jazz in the 20s, although both racism and prohibition played into it in a big way.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Probably no.
But if you are a fan of an artist or a fan of music that continually talk of women with words such as bitches or similar, then maybe some part of you actually that agree with whatever it is that's being said in the songs.
I mean, if you are uncomfortable with such things, you wouldn't like hearing stuff that seems to be championing it, yeah?
But if you are a fan of an artist or a fan of music that continually talk of women with words such as bitches or similar, then maybe some part of you actually that agree with whatever it is that's being said in the songs.
I mean, if you are uncomfortable with such things, you wouldn't like hearing stuff that seems to be championing it, yeah?
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I did all these things before listening to hip hop.
The Artisan
Member
I made a thread a while ago about intent vs content in music, I've been meaning to bump it
My favorite musician is the Weeknd, his first 3 mixtapes if I could sum them up in 3 words were about drugs, sex and depression. I can relate to 2 of those things but when he sings I don't always feel like I can relate or resonate with everything he says, I just find myself drawn to it.
But it doesn't reflect on me entirely
My favorite musician is the Weeknd, his first 3 mixtapes if I could sum them up in 3 words were about drugs, sex and depression. I can relate to 2 of those things but when he sings I don't always feel like I can relate or resonate with everything he says, I just find myself drawn to it.
But it doesn't reflect on me entirely
Kayo Police
Member
It's just lyrics not a problem
Probably the same as many boys growing up - with or without listening to rap. Sure, it probably aided in that process a little bit, but as someone mentioned that type of shit is everywhere in our daily lives.
Spaced Harrier
Member
hydrophilic attack
Member
It's like being a white guy and listening to rap. Just because rappers use the n-word from time to time doesn't mean the white guy is a racist. But if the white guy gets really into the n-part parts of the songs, that is suspicious. Similarly you're not necessarily a misogynist for liking rap. But if you really focus on the bitch and hoe part, you may be getting a side-eye, if you're a guy. For bitches it's ok to like those parts tho
This is the reason I avoid listening to rap. Wouldn't want to accidentally become racist and/or sexist
(This post was nor serious, but my later posts itt are)
This is the reason I avoid listening to rap. Wouldn't want to accidentally become racist and/or sexist
(This post was nor serious, but my later posts itt are)
Earthpainting
Member
Throwing an entire genre under the bus isn't fair, especially since it's weirdly common in most pop music, but I can see where the mindset comes from. It doesn't directly implicate you as a misogynist, but there's an argument to be made that you are supporting misogynists, or the very least a market that normalises misogyny if you listen to music with misogynistic content. There's plenty of songs I like that do not hold up under scrutiny. It is a little weird how easily these things slip past us, or how quickly we can rationalise lyrical content.
Ravensmash
Member
As someone who isn't black and listens to a lot of rap, I don't believe it's making me accidentally racist or sexist...
In answer to the OP, no.
Audioboxer
Member
Does playing MGS5 make you a misogynist? Does listening and laughing at Louis CK or Chappelle make you a misogynist? You'll probably find one or two comments on GAF that infer it does. You'll always be able to find that one comment in a sea of hundreds saying something your brain gets fixated on.
This is the internet, everyone has different tolerance levels for adult entertainment/sex/violence/crude language. If you know you aren't something then to put it bluntly, "who gives a shit" what someone on the internet thinks? Listening to criticism and feedback can be wholesome, but when your intent is based solely around laughing at a comedian, enjoying a video game, or listening to some music with crude language, cut yourself some slack from rhetoric and being called names. More often than not the bigger issue can be kids getting involved with adult content before their brains or worldly experience is at a point to truly appreciate what they're interacting with.
Your actions and thoughts are what counts and most can decipher intent and what is or isn't entertainment/artistic merit pretty well. Many film directors create content that is the stuff of nightmares, it doesn't mean they're all terrible people who need to instantly revert to creating kids cartoons. Life is complex and messy.
I guess up next you can ask are the creators of the music, MGS5 and the comedians misogynists? Eh, same lines of thinking apply, intent and what they are like as people. Especially when most of them deal with make believe and/or lyrics/words/virtual graphics. Not actual women. Even with film directors it is acting. Consenting adults who treat playing roles as part of the medium. Again as I said at the start criticism and feedback can help aid in artistic choices, but a few out of all people do instantly go to their drawer of rhetoric to directly label someone as everything under the sun with little tangible evidence.
Comedians seem to be the ones under far more fire these days than musicians. Like music however it's an opt in scenario. No one forces you to go to the shows or buy the DVDs. Same with music. It's often a personal listening choice, unless you're subjected to some who drive with their car windows down and music up so loud it causes the ground to shake. The overarching point is most adult content is put behind late night TV/rated M or 18 and should be ID checked/and so on. Society does its best to categorise with some protection for minors. Parents can ultimately make that choice though.
This is the internet, everyone has different tolerance levels for adult entertainment/sex/violence/crude language. If you know you aren't something then to put it bluntly, "who gives a shit" what someone on the internet thinks? Listening to criticism and feedback can be wholesome, but when your intent is based solely around laughing at a comedian, enjoying a video game, or listening to some music with crude language, cut yourself some slack from rhetoric and being called names. More often than not the bigger issue can be kids getting involved with adult content before their brains or worldly experience is at a point to truly appreciate what they're interacting with.
Your actions and thoughts are what counts and most can decipher intent and what is or isn't entertainment/artistic merit pretty well. Many film directors create content that is the stuff of nightmares, it doesn't mean they're all terrible people who need to instantly revert to creating kids cartoons. Life is complex and messy.
I guess up next you can ask are the creators of the music, MGS5 and the comedians misogynists? Eh, same lines of thinking apply, intent and what they are like as people. Especially when most of them deal with make believe and/or lyrics/words/virtual graphics. Not actual women. Even with film directors it is acting. Consenting adults who treat playing roles as part of the medium. Again as I said at the start criticism and feedback can help aid in artistic choices, but a few out of all people do instantly go to their drawer of rhetoric to directly label someone as everything under the sun with little tangible evidence.
Comedians seem to be the ones under far more fire these days than musicians. Like music however it's an opt in scenario. No one forces you to go to the shows or buy the DVDs. Same with music. It's often a personal listening choice, unless you're subjected to some who drive with their car windows down and music up so loud it causes the ground to shake. The overarching point is most adult content is put behind late night TV/rated M or 18 and should be ID checked/and so on. Society does its best to categorise with some protection for minors. Parents can ultimately make that choice though.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Yes.
Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks.
Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks.
If you get that reference you're a misogynist.
Ice cold.
