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Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.

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Astral Dog

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A few new characters and scenes on other planets is great,everything to break from the monotony of these recruitment episodes.

Hyped to see the U6 guys again :D
 
I'm most interested in who's filling out the U6 team. Even with Saiyan girls, theres 3 spots open. And remember the resurrected Earth of U6 that was the outcome of the last tourney.
 
Not really big news, but Toshio said on Twitter that he wrote a lot of important fights for this arc and that "New attractive characters will appear in the future".
Saying that he already wrote a lot of important fights that are coming up definitely lends credence to the idea that the arc is going to be going on for quite a bit longer.
 
Not really big news, but Toshio said on Twitter that he wrote a lot of important fights for this arc and that "New attractive characters will appear in the future".
Saying that he already wrote a lot of important fights that are coming up definitely lends credence to the idea that the arc is going to be going on for quite a bit longer.

Honestly , I totally expect the bottom to fall out of this tourney. I just cannot see it going through with no interruptions.
 

NandoGip

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Honestly , I totally expect the bottom to fall out of this tourney. I just cannot see it going through with no interruptions.

Yeah that's what I predicted way before the start. There's so much evidence and reasons

-The fact that production from the beginning of the show being rocky is the explanation for the first 30 episodes being a retelling, the next being the thinnest plot in DB history, and the third just being fan service with the reintroduction of a fan fave+2 super saiyan forms (I loved the arc, not hating on it)

-Historically DB arcs are nearly 100 episodes, yet we've had each arc barely scratch 15-20

-The surprising (to Toei) popularity of Super leading to the creation of the Dragon Room. This was the biggest piece of evidence that they were investing and preparing for something way bigger than what they did prior

-The introduction of so many characters, and now a hint that even more are coming. This was easy to guess since most fighters haven't been revealed, but it's possible they're talking about something else

-The build up to this arc already spanning the same amount of episodes of entire prior arcs

-The plot being so basic for an arc that seem to be going long can lead you to believe that it's obviously not the entire picture.

Possible twists:

-One or more GoD will go "evil" to prevent their universe from being destroyed. This would be too easy of a plot twist, so i'm 50/50

-Whis dad will reveal he has some agenda, maybe vying for Zen-oh's power? Doubtful as this would be too cliche imo

-The two zen-oh's clash?

-An unforeseen/unhinted at villain appears that's on Zen-oh's power. This is likely because the yin-yang with characters is a big thing so far, so there has to be an opposite to Zen-oh.

-A prediction: Villain or unrevealed team appears, forcing pride troopers to team up with z-fighters

-The stakes have to get higher. With Zamasu going immortal and having a universe deleted, something even bigger has to happen

-Many people feel like all or some universes getting mashed into one somehow. This would be a likely twist because Toei isn't going to invest in the production of so many characters to just have them all disappear at the end of the arc.

Theres more but my post is getting long so we can discuss from here
 

ElFly

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I wish they stuck to the shorter arcs. the Goku Black arc had more or less the perfect length, even if it wasted an episode early on or if it needed an extra episode later on

this arc has dragged a lot and it really hasn't even started, even if we got a few good episodes out of them

we don't really need to go back to the old days of "goku spends an episode going ssj3" or the infamous five minutes in namek, etc etc
 

Real Hero

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I wish they stuck to the shorter arcs. the Goku Black arc had more or less the perfect length, even if it wasted an episode early on or if it needed an extra episode later on

this arc has dragged a lot and it really hasn't even started, even if we got a few good episodes out of them

we don't really need to go back to the old days of "goku spends an episode going ssj3" or the infamous five minutes in namek, etc etc

We haven't really had that considering every episode has been it's own thing, I was fine with the pace of the Goku Black but it seemed too 'rushed' for a lot of people
 
We said that about the U6 tournament arc, though...

They didn't make a new opening for that arc nor did they spend over 16 episodes just getting to the tournament.

The big thing that makes me think something else is coming is the whole 48 minutes thing, that's almost the exact run time of 2 episodes, seems awfully convenient that that is the number chosen. They're also investing a lot of time building up characters for a short tournament.
There might not be a villain or anything, but I really don't see the Battle Royale itself being the end game of the arc. Maybe multiple universes have the same number of people still in play when the time runs out so it turns into a more normal tournament.
 

NandoGip

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Another prediction: This will be the first arc where they will have impactful deaths with characters will be deleted permanently. This has never been done before, and with finality being a theme, I can pretty much bet a z-fighter will die. Either Krillin, 17, Piccolo, or Roshi.

Piccolo permanently sacrificing himself to be deleted for Gohan would be HUGE.
 

Piers

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I really liked that sequence in the end of the movie when Goku activated SSJ God again by himself, so I was happy to see it returning in the manga.
Whao, did that happen? Or do you mean when his regular SSJ form carried over the power of God, during his fight with Beerus?
 
Another prediction: This will be the first arc where they will have impactful deaths with characters will be deleted permanently. This has never been done before, and with finality being a theme, I can pretty much bet a z-fighter will die. Either Krillin, 17, Piccolo, or Roshi.

Piccolo permanently sacrificing himself to be deleted for Gohan would be HUGE.

Piccolo and Krillin are in the end of Z.
 

A Pretty Panda

fuckin' called it, man
Another prediction: This will be the first arc where they will have impactful deaths with characters will be deleted permanently. This has never been done before, and with finality being a theme, I can pretty much bet a z-fighter will die. Either Krillin, 17, Piccolo, or Roshi.

Piccolo permanently sacrificing himself to be deleted for Gohan would be HUGE.
Or Gohan could save Piccolo for once.

Also pretty sure no one's going to die since there's still the end of Z stuff lol. Except maybe 17 and that's only because they didn't show him for that
 

ElFly

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We haven't really had that considering every episode has been it's own thing, I was fine with the pace of the Goku Black but it seemed too 'rushed' for a lot of people

yeah but they've started to get really wasteful

we really didn't need two episodes for 17 or one for a short buu battle that went nowhere or two gohan and piccolo episodes of training when the 2v2 fight would have been enough

I mean, the 17 episodes could have been ok if we had gotten more info on what 17 did all this time, instead we got ???
 

NandoGip

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Piccolo and Krillin are in the end of Z.

Or Gohan could save Piccolo for once.

Also pretty sure no one's going to die since there's still the end of Z stuff lol. Except maybe 17 and that's only because they didn't show him for that


Good point. With that Toyotaro interview, seems like that's as good as confirmed.

Hmmm I still predict some finality to deaths, maybe some other way? Or maybe not obviously. I'm just throwing ideas out
 

Piers

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yeah but they've started to get really wasteful

we really didn't need two episodes for 17 or one for a short buu battle that went nowhere or two gohan and piccolo episodes of training when the 2v2 fight would have been enough

I mean, the 17 episodes could have been ok if we had gotten more info on what 17 did all this time, instead we got ???

It sounds like deliberate padding to get later episodes figured out, one way or another — though no idea on how much time ahead just any regular episode needs. Going by the rumours of Super's beginning run, though, episodes had a very short time for production and some began writing as early as the same week it releases. Hence the retelling of BoG/RF movies, because the whole project began before they could apparently get any original content underway. (Again, rumours: other I heard was ownership rights with Fox)

In the movie. In the retelling, Goku never goes Super Saiyan God again after he loses it.
Meant the movie, yeah — I remember his God form fading whilst they were underground, then Goku becomes a SSJ and still puts up a fight with Beerus. (To his and everyone's puzzlement)
Is that what you meant, or was there some other scene? Since I think the DVD release added some extra ones.

EDIT:
OOH. Durr, when he was taking on Beerus' attack right?
 

NandoGip

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It sounds like deliberate padding to get later episodes figured out, one way or another — though no idea on how much time ahead just any regular episode needs. Going by the rumours of Super's beginning run, though, episodes had a very short time for production and some began writing as early as the same week it releases. Hence the retelling of BoG/RF movies, because the whole project began before they could apparently get any original content underway. (Again, rumours: other I heard was ownership rights with Fox)

IMO the padding is the best possible thing we could possibly get as fans. We NEED them to take long to get the real plot going.

The longer it takes, the higher likelihood of better animation and well-thought out plots (In the context of DB..)

Replace "game" with "anime"
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ElFly

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IMO the padding is the best possible thing we could possibly get as fans. We NEED them to take long to get the real plot going.

eh dunno

I mean, more preproduction is cool and all, but the goku black arc was so great precisely because there are some episodes just CRAMMED with action and development.

like someone mentioned

Best DBS episode is "The Terrifying Zero Mortals Plan". I think it's like 61. That episode has everything. It had the reveal of how Goku Black came to be, the death of Chichi & Goten, the Zamas/Black bro hug, Goku losing his shit, Goku backhand to Zamas, Black's fuckin Ki Scimatar, & it was all topped off with Trunks going SSR.

that episode was easily one of the best episodes in all dragon ball, period, just because it has so much cool stuff in it. in the "good old days" this would have been dragged along several episodes and it is starting to look like the dragging is back with this arc
 

HeroR

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It sounds like deliberate padding to get later episodes figured out, one way or another — though no idea on how much time ahead just any regular episode needs. Going by the rumours of Super's beginning run, though, episodes had a very short time for production and some began writing as early as the same week it releases. Hence the retelling of BoG/RF movies, because the whole project began before they could apparently get any original content underway. (Again, rumours: other I heard was ownership rights with Fox)


Meant the movie, yeah — I remember his God form fading whilst they were underground, then Goku becomes a SSJ and still puts up a fight with Beerus. (To his and everyone's puzzlement)
Is that what you meant, or was there some other scene? Since I think the DVD release added some extra ones.

EDIT:
OOH. Durr, when he was taking on Beerus' attack right?

Yes, that was it.

As for the retelling, they mostly exists so new viewers don't have to watched the movies and make any necessary retcon like Beerus' power never being stated, Goku forever losing Super Saiyan God, and explaining how god ki works a bit more. And it may have also been a way to buy production time for the original material.
 

Tsunamo

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I dig Gokus damaged Gi so it just shows his blue shirt in SSJ Blue form.

No idea what's going on in the manga but no sign of Trunks spirit bomb yet
From what i've gathered he gave Goku his energy and was about to give Vegeta his but he declined, that's all i've got so far
 

Piers

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Yes, that was it.

As for the retelling, they mostly exists so new viewers don't have to watched the movies and make any necessary retcon like Beerus' power never being stated, Goku forever losing Super Saiyan God, and explaining how god ki works a bit more. And it may have also been a way to buy production time for the original material.

This is hard to believe, though, because the whole point of films is that they're of a higher quality than the regular anime. They even aired the film a few times on TV, free. And it was adapted into a manga, cheaper than DVD if price is that much of a concern for people over there.

It's of course the PR answer anyone at Toei would give in this occasion — but stretching out a story designed for film length and sticking it to a TV budget is going to be giving the results it gets.
 

HeroR

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This is hard to believe, though, because the whole point of films is that they're of a higher quality than the regular anime. They even aired the film a few times on TV, free. And it was adapted into a manga, cheaper than DVD if price is that much of a concern for people over there.

It's of course the PR answer anyone at Toei would give in this occasion — but stretching out a story designed for film length and sticking it to a TV budget is going to be giving the results it gets.

In most countries, including the US, those movies never got a broadcast release and only had a limited theatrical run. You can't even legally watched them streamed and Super was meant to eventually become an international property. Plus, very few people even in Japan, read the Super manga or manga version of the movies which were promotional. Also, most Japanese don't buy DVDs.

Toei never gave "PR" answer. They just said that they were going to retell the movies and left it at that.
 

AdanVC

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I wish they stuck to the shorter arcs. the Goku Black arc had more or less the perfect length, even if it wasted an episode early on or if it needed an extra episode later on

this arc has dragged a lot and it really hasn't even started, even if we got a few good episodes out of them

we don't really need to go back to the old days of "goku spends an episode going ssj3" or the infamous five minutes in namek, etc etc

Agree. I'm already sick of watching the same platform construction animation everytime a chapter ends. Hope all this drag would be worth it and the tournament truly delivers.
 

NandoGip

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All jokes aside, it'd be lame as hell if Krillin just gets his ass kicked in 3 seconds again.

Agree. I'm already sick of watching the same platform construction animation everytime a chapter ends. Hope all this drag would be worth it and the tournament truly delivers.

With the coming episodes Goku has gathered everyone right? Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, 17, 18, Tien, Roshi, Vegeta, and
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Give it a few weeks and things will get going for sure.
 
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