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Twin Peaks Season 3 Premieres May 21 - 2 Hour Premiere
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wanderingprostheyltite
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I'm not sure a ton of press are going to be invited. FWIW the contest they had for winning two tickets to the premiere comes with an NDA that must be signed, so if they're having that I'd imagine that applies to others invited.
Net_Wrecker
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Cole: AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE DRUG ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IS STARTING TO NOSE AROUND. THEY'RE SENDING DOWN A TOP DOG TO INVESTIGATE THE DRUG ANGLE.
Cooper: Who are they sending?
Cole: ....
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IT'S COLE! GORDON COLE!
Cooper: WHO'S THE AGENT?!
Cole: OHHH!
I am deceased.
Cooper: Who are they sending?
Cole: ....
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IT'S COLE! GORDON COLE!
Cooper: WHO'S THE AGENT?!
Cole: OHHH!
I am deceased.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Something to note is the show will be on hiatus on July 4th Sunday, so Parts 1 through 4 will be on-demand this Sunday, BUT if you watch them all in one go there won't be any new parts for three weeks.
I can already see people binge watching the first four parts and then the fallout of having to wait three weeks for part 5.
That's gonna' be me.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Yup, Parts 3 & 4 will air the Sunday after, so it'll only be a two week hiatus if you wait for the television airing and don't watch it on Showtime on-demand.
However, as Parts 1-4 will be available on demand right after Parts 1 & 2 air live, I imagine many (including myself) will be in the camp that watched all four and then the will commence the wait of three weeks until Part 5 airs.
EDIT: Nah, it's all good. The show will air every week until the finale airs in September EXCEPT for July 4th weekend (as Sunday itself is July 4th). But Parts 1 & 2 air this Sunday, Parts 3 & 4 next Sunday, and Parts 17 & 18 will air together as the finale on the same night. But because Parts 1 through 4 are available from the onset, there's going to be an initial downtime for many who binge it.
But it just will be weird to have four new episodes of Twin Peaks to discuss and theorize about. Like that realization to me is surreal.
JoJoShabadoo
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That's still a two week wait though.
May 21st - Episodes 1 and 2
May 28th - Episodes​ 3 and 4
June 4th - Episode 5
I'm absolutely going to watch all 4 episodes before the third and fourth air on the 28th. Though I don't plan to do it in one sitting. And knowing myself, I'll probably rewatch them too.
May 21st - Episodes 1 and 2
May 28th - Episodes​ 3 and 4
June 4th - Episode 5
I'm absolutely going to watch all 4 episodes before the third and fourth air on the 28th. Though I don't plan to do it in one sitting. And knowing myself, I'll probably rewatch them too.
Live footage of me trying to make sense of the schedule and how a three week wait would figure into all this:
First time watching FWWM in a while.
That is one wild, traumatic, nightmare-inducing ride.
The ending is probably my favorite scene in all of Twin Peaks.
And I love this interpretation of it:
Oh, and Sheryl Lee should have been nominated for an Oscar.
That is one wild, traumatic, nightmare-inducing ride.
The ending is probably my favorite scene in all of Twin Peaks.
And I love this interpretation of it:
Oh, and Sheryl Lee should have been nominated for an Oscar.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I am dumb and for some reason got June and July mixed up, I even said July but for some reason I thought it wasn't airing on June 4th, so it was a brain fart on my side.
I like the ending of FWWM as well. Have you ever seen Missing Pieces? asking as this scene has a few extended bits in that, though honestly I can see why they cut the extended bits for the final cut as I think the scene works in the much stranger and beautiful way in how it works in the final film after all the morbidity.
Twin Peaks Rewatch is back! Podcast from Idle Thumbs. Really great listen if you're into Peaks.
Yesss. I loved listening to this one.
I love those guys too. One of my favorite Twin Peaks podcasts. There are so many now...
At the risk of being a blatant self promoter, I'd like to mention that I had the very first Twin Peaks podcast on the internet. Started back in 2011 when I went looking for a show to listen to and found there were none.
Check us out if you want. We plan to review the new series starting next week too.
https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/the-twin-peaks-podcast/id432749455?mt=2
http://twinpeakspodcast.libsyn.com/rss
I hope you can ignore some of the iTunes reviews. At one point we decided to review all of Lynch's films and we ended​ up not liking just a couple of them. People took that as the ultimate offense and decided to bomb us with negative iTunes ratings. I guess you're only allowed to say David Lynch is perfect.
Yes. In my opinion it's all (mostly) uphill from there.
Which is funny because before the "COOP" letter writing campaign saved the last few episodes back in the day, the drawer knob episode was planned to be where they cancelled the show.
If the last thing we ever saw was the drawer pull, I don't think we would be taking about Twin Peaks right now.
Chuckie
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Holy shit hahaha.
No we wouldn't be talking TP right now.....also because there would not have been a S3.
People attending the premeire are apparently under embargo, so doubtful there will be any impressons about it aside from maybe some vague "You'll never guess what I saw..." and "Holy shit, just wait you guys!!" type tweets.
The Cannes screening happens after the episodes on Showtime.
There's the LA premiere on the 19th, then airing on Showtime on the 21st, then screening at Cannes on the 25th.
Zombie James
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So after reading The Secret History of Twin Peaks and rewatching certain episodes, some scenes take on a very different meaning...
Corpsepyre
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Has it been mentioned if there are any big breaks in-between the episodes, much like The Walking Dead? Really hoping they don't slice the season into two.
Airola
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Yeah, he's" full of holes where his conscience used to be."
Surely that means he has had a serious lack of conscience for a long time. He definitely can't be held innocent.
Jacoby said he smelled scorched engine oil though.
The two-part finale is on September 3rd, so the math would seem to indicate that we'll be skipping a week somewhere in the run, most likely in July. Otherwise the season will air uninterrupted.
ElectricBlanketFire
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So to be clear, will episodes 1-4 be available for streaming on Showtime via Hulu right at 9 p.m. EST?
It might be that 3-4 become available at 11pm, but yes, all four should be available that night.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Cool, though I'm a little concerned because it kept freezing last night.
Lord Frieza
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You can install Showtime Anytime and they have a live feed to Showtime channels. You can sign up if you're subbed via Hulu.
ElectricBlanketFire
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I'm guessing not on the Wii U (believe it or not, that's my main media hub).
Is there any evidence to suggest (Laura Palmer's killer spoiler)
that Leland had any culpability whatsoever? I find that more interesting, like he had some darkness in him already that made him susceptible to Bob than just that he was some normal, loving father that was possessed
I always was under the assumption that
Leland killed Renault at the hospital, not Bob. So at least there's that.
Airola
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In Fire Walk with Me:
Leland to Laura in the train: "I always thought you knew it was me."
Bob to Laura in the train: "I never knew you knew it was me."
Bob to Laura in the train: "I never knew you knew it was me."
Also I think that
during the scene where he kills Maddy he mourns Laura just like he was mourning her before in the series. I don't think it is Bob who is mourning for Laura there. I think he genuinely mourns Laura but is still capable of doing what he does. Murderers and rapists can feel genuinely bad for what they do sometimes and they can still feel love even towards their victims but mental issues can be rough and people can have two "personalities."
Also,
Leland is said to be full of holes where his conscience used to be. So he used to have a conscience but doesn't really have anymore. So that at least implies that he has become soft on some moral issues in time. He has helped Ben Horne with lots of shady things. He's not pure by any means.
Also,
in Fire Walk with Me it seems he is totally willing to use prostitutes and even tells Teresa Banks she looks just like his daughter. The script and the Missing Pieces suggests he killed Teresa because she blackmailed him after learning one of her fellow prostitutes is Leland's daughter. Bob wouldn't have any need to defend Leland on that. It was Leland trying to protect his reputation (and maybe Laura's reputation too).
That said, I think in general Bob is not only a symbol of the evil that men do but also the symbol of people wanting to forget the things they do when they are at their worst. How many times have you done or even said something you really in your sane mind wouldn't have done or said? How many of those situations you want to forget, and how many of those situations you have forgotten?
We don't want to acknowledge our bad sides. We want to forget it. When we have clear minds we never think we would like to do the bad things we might do when our mind isn't as clear. It is as if we are someone else than what we truly feel we are. It feels that when we did something very bad we weren't really ourselves, even if we really were. I think Bob shows this aspect in people.
And in the world of Twin Peaks Bob is real in a sense that Lynch and Frost have given a metaphysical reason for this experience. That our will to do the things we wouldn't want to do happens because there is a metaphysical realm where some sort of force gains something from that. But it is still we who do those things.
If we have a soul, or if our goodness could be measured by some sort of energy and if that goodness is there somewhere as energy, then the same applies to our badness too. If we could think love is a universal energy we can share, then hate and any other negative feeling is universal energy too. They gave face to that with Frank Silva.
We don't want to acknowledge our bad sides. We want to forget it. When we have clear minds we never think we would like to do the bad things we might do when our mind isn't as clear. It is as if we are someone else than what we truly feel we are. It feels that when we did something very bad we weren't really ourselves, even if we really were. I think Bob shows this aspect in people.
And in the world of Twin Peaks Bob is real in a sense that Lynch and Frost have given a metaphysical reason for this experience. That our will to do the things we wouldn't want to do happens because there is a metaphysical realm where some sort of force gains something from that. But it is still we who do those things.
If we have a soul, or if our goodness could be measured by some sort of energy and if that goodness is there somewhere as energy, then the same applies to our badness too. If we could think love is a universal energy we can share, then hate and any other negative feeling is universal energy too. They gave face to that with Frank Silva.
Lord Frieza
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Oh yeah I don't know about that
CrichtonKicks
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Plenty. Most from FWWM:
Most specifically, at the end of the movie, just before Laura dies she sees Leland on the right side of the screen saying "I always thought you knew it was me" before Bob pops up on the left side of the screen saying something slightly different. This implies that it was Leland, separate from Bob, who was committing these acts.
Plus the whole idea behind the movie is that Bob is trying to corrupt Laura to the point that he can take her as a host. This implies that the possession isn't automatic but has to be allowed by the individual. Laura fights back and ultimately is killed because she is rejecting Bob. Leland stated in the show, just before he died, that he allowed Bob in. So, on some level, Leland had a choice.
The show also states around that time that Bob was only allowed in because there was a hole in Leland's conscious that allows it.
Also, in the series finale, Leland's doppelganger tells Cooper "I never killed anybody". That implies that it was Leland himself who performed the murders, not his doppelganger.
On top of that there is the general conduct of Leland in general. Raping his daughter is by far the worst of his crimes but his relationship with Theresa Banks was clearly not something that a healthy individual would do and there is no way you are Ben Horne's lawyer without being very aware (if not directly complicit) in his crimes which included underage sex trafficking. I don't think the show would ever imply that every single morally questionable act that he partook would just be Bob's doing.
Plus the whole idea behind the movie is that Bob is trying to corrupt Laura to the point that he can take her as a host. This implies that the possession isn't automatic but has to be allowed by the individual. Laura fights back and ultimately is killed because she is rejecting Bob. Leland stated in the show, just before he died, that he allowed Bob in. So, on some level, Leland had a choice.
The show also states around that time that Bob was only allowed in because there was a hole in Leland's conscious that allows it.
Also, in the series finale, Leland's doppelganger tells Cooper "I never killed anybody". That implies that it was Leland himself who performed the murders, not his doppelganger.
On top of that there is the general conduct of Leland in general. Raping his daughter is by far the worst of his crimes but his relationship with Theresa Banks was clearly not something that a healthy individual would do and there is no way you are Ben Horne's lawyer without being very aware (if not directly complicit) in his crimes which included underage sex trafficking. I don't think the show would ever imply that every single morally questionable act that he partook would just be Bob's doing.
EDIT- What Airola said basically.
Jacoby smells motor oil at that time which implies that Bob was involved.
Airola
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As I mentioned earlier, Jacoby told he smelled scorched engine oil at the hospital though.
That's what Maddy smells too right before she is killed. But I don't think that makes Bob as the killer of Renault. I think it just means Leland is walking in such deep waters right now that you can smell the "rotten core" of the things human beings sometimes are capable of doing. Even if it's simply Leland doing the killing in will of his own, Bob is still there claiming the energy that comes when people kill each other. He is there to enjoy the spoils of the evil that men do.
I mean,
Leland seems to be so genuine when he admits killing Renault. He seems to be genuinelly devastated of what happened to Laura. He cries so genuinely there. So it definitely seems like he killed Renault because he wanted to do it. But still, Jacoby smelled scorched engine oil there.
People come to FWWM –and the show itself– now with 25 years of hindsight, dissection and acceptance of the show as an artsy, off beat, unique creation. I can't really blame most people for not knowing what to do with it at the time.
I'm sure we'll see a lot of similar reactions and hot takes to the new season.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Yeah you'll need to go through either the Showtime Anytime desktop site or the Hulu one for the live stream. Checked my Hulu app on ps4 yesterday and no option for the live, bummer :/
For episodes 3&4 apparently you'll need to exclusively use Showtime Anytime site (or app) if you want to see it immediately after the premiere. Other apps using Showtime as a channel will get it a day later.
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Source? AFAIK if you have access to Showtime's on demand content, such as through PlayStation Vue, you'll be able to watch it at the same time as everyone else.
wanderingprostheyltite
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I can access Anytime through Vue if I ordered Showtime through Hulu? Good news if true. Was more responding to blanket's situation which can't do that on Wii U.
Uh, well, you probably can't access Showtime through Vue if you ordered it as a Hulu add-on. You would need to purchase Showtime through Vue.
My point is that Vue has all of the on demand content that Showtime Anytime does, so Anytime isn't the only option for watching 3 & 4. At least that's my understanding.
Like, I have an HBO subscription through PS Vue, and I can watch The Leftovers on demand as soon as the new episode premieres 9pm on Sunday.
wanderingprostheyltite
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I don't really know how Vue works so you might be right. Someone on dugpa contacted Amazon and Showtime reps and they both said 3&4 were only available immediately after via Anytime, NOT channel add ons or cable subs. But yes you can still access Anytime via their site login and tie those together, but that obv isn't an option for Wii U, that's what I was addressing with blanket.
Buttonbasher
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I'm just going to use Hulu, and if the 3 & 4th episode don't pop up, I'll do a 7 day trial of Showtime Anytime.
wanderingprostheyltite
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You don't need to, if you go to showtimeanytime.com and click login in the top right you'll see a list of mostly cable providers, click the link at the bottom for others and you'll see a big list, scroll down and Hulu will be on there, I managed to link mine that way last night. You'll just need to re-enter your Hulu login there.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Showtime's support twitter account on streaming from consoles:
@sho_help 37 minutes ago
You will be able to stream Twin peaks the moment it airs on live tv! You can also access SHOWTIME Anytime to watch on Live TV section. RC
Looks like I'm all set.
@sho_help 37 minutes ago
You will be able to stream Twin peaks the moment it airs on live tv! You can also access SHOWTIME Anytime to watch on Live TV section. RC
Looks like I'm all set.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Good to hear.
Also, didn't know Moby was involved in this season
Would certainly be nice to see him adding to the soundtrack.
Also, didn't know Moby was involved in this season
Would certainly be nice to see him adding to the soundtrack.
Yup, seen the missing pieces. I do like the scene's placement as it is. But I wish some of the others had been included (Doc Hayward, the Palmers speaking Norwegian, etc.).
You're lucky! The first time I watched it, it was on VHS, I thought it was going to be 2 hours long, and there was no hope of the series ever being continued.
A bit of a different vibe.
Lord Frieza
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That is...a weird comparison
Not saying that they are similar in anyway. But the Eastbound and Down finale was fucking gold. Went off the rails before kind of shitting the bed.
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