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Star Trek Discovery - official trailer in OP, 15 episodes ordered, premieres 9/24

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(Incoherent screams of outrage)

What the fuck are all these women and minorities doing in my Star Trek shows literally based around the idea of universal equality and acceptance?!?!?

That would look more like a stepdown to the 90's.
 

louiedog

Member
Today I'm learning that people apparently like that Xindi season of Enterprise which I thought was about the worst Star Trek related thing ever. Not that anything in that series was great, except for Jeffrey Combs who is always fun to watch in everything.
 

Shoeless

Member
I would suggest skipping the first 2 seasons.

Oh well, I made it through the first few seasons of Voyager, I can tough it out for a couple of seasons of Enterprise if it'll lay the groundwork. Even DS9 wasn't super strong in the beginning.
 
Jason Isaacs' character is probably the first season's more permanent captain. Michelle Yeoh's character is probably either gonna die early on or... well, whatever else gets her out of the picture. Or her ship is an integral part of the story, but either way it seems Isaacs' Captain Lorca is the more prominent figure.

That's good to know. I just couldn't see her being the main one
 

phaonaut

Member
Today I'm learning that people apparently like that Xindi season of Enterprise which I thought was about the worst Star Trek related thing ever. Not that anything in that series was great, except for Jeffrey Combs who is always fun to watch in everything.

I thought the Xindi planet was interesting, having multiple sentient species on one planet.
 

Ashby

Member
I thought the Xindi planet was interesting, having multiple sentient species on one planet.

I never watched Enterprise but I've enjoyed the more than once I went down a Memory-Alpha hole and went digging through the pages on the Xindi. They're a cool concept.
 

Jackpot

Banned
Today I'm learning that people apparently like that Xindi season of Enterprise which I thought was about the worst Star Trek related thing ever. Not that anything in that series was great, except for Jeffrey Combs who is always fun to watch in everything.

I wouldn't say I liked it, but I recognise it as better than what came before it.

The serialised nature, and the more tooth-and-nail fight-for-survival quality the story brought were popular. Did a better Voyager premise than Voyager.
 
I wouldn't say I liked it, but I recognise it as better than what came before it.

The serialised nature, and the more tooth-and-nail fight-for-survival quality the story brought were popular. Did a better Voyager premise than Voyager.

I just started Voyager so I can't compare but yeah I liked how they isolated them and how messed up Enterprise got (and stayed) throughout the season. And Archer got better once he stopped fumbling his way through first contact scenarios.
 
Today I'm learning that people apparently like that Xindi season of Enterprise which I thought was about the worst Star Trek related thing ever. Not that anything in that series was great, except for Jeffrey Combs who is always fun to watch in everything.

Eh the show had a story and was going somewhere finally. Lot better than the awful first season of nothing.
 

DBT85

Member
Still haven't watched it. Plan to in the next few months. Anything I should prepare myself for? I've already steeled myself for the Rod Stewart opening.

Enterprise was good, 3 and 4 are better than 2, which was better than 1. But new show, new cast new everything so it always takes time to gel.

Also, Rod Stewart didn't sing the theme for the show, that was Russel Watson. Rod Stewart did sing it in Patch Adams though. The shock is that they jazzed the theme up after the first couple of seasons, that really took me by surprise.

I only watched Ent all the way through for the first time a few months back, there are some thoughts in the proper Star Trek thread but overall I really enjoyed it.

One thing of note, you can completely, entirely and totally not bother watching the last episode. Just save yourself.
 

jerry113

Banned
I get this feeling that we haven't seen many primary cast members yet in this trailer.

I think Sonequa Martin-Green and Doug Jones are the only people in this trailer who will continue with the show beyond the premiere episode, and that the Shenzhou bridge we see in this trailer will get completely destroyed in the first.

We haven't even seen the actual USS Discovery yet!
 

JeffZero

Purple Drazi
Today I'm learning that people apparently like that Xindi season of Enterprise which I thought was about the worst Star Trek related thing ever. Not that anything in that series was great, except for Jeffrey Combs who is always fun to watch in everything.

Yeah, the third season is my favorite. Jackpot put it best:

I wouldn't say I liked it, but I recognise it as better than what came before it.

The serialised nature, and the more tooth-and-nail fight-for-survival quality the story brought were popular. Did a better Voyager premise than Voyager.
 

rokkerkory

Member
Wow had pretty low expectations but that trailer was pretty good. Still not sure about the cast but let's see. Cautiously optimistic.
 

Kevin

Member
I was actually wondering if Star Trek would ever make the leap to have a captain from another species in a regular series. I know issues of make up and effects make it less practical, but it is a bit weird always seeing pre-dominanantly human captains in Star Fleet ships.

They should at least introduce another ship or two in the Federation that has an alien captain. Would makes sense. The trailer looks great and I think any complaints I have so far are very minor. Star Trek has been off my tv screen for far too long and I am glad to fix this. I'll seriously pay the $5.99 a month or whatever to watch and support this show.

Boo to you sir, Archer was great.

Yup I feel like I was one of the only ones that loved Enterprise. Was it perfect? Maybe not but I loved everything about it at the time. The design, the newness of it all, sense of hope, etc. Thought the show was fantastic but so many people hated it because it wasn't another TNG or something. Archer was also awesome. Actually a lot of people who hated it, didn't watch many episodes. I personally know somneone who hated on that show so much, went back to watch all of it and had to admit that he liked it.

As a huge Star Trek fan, I know Star Trek is one of those franchises where it's been on so long, that different generations of fans want different things for the franchise. It's impossible to please everyone. I just hope some of the people that are not happy with the trailer will at least give the first few episodes a chance to see if it grows on them. Star Trek Discovery looks wonderful too me and I am glad that they are shaking things up some again. I also mean no disrespect to anyone elses viewpoints on here. Just sharing my own.
 
I still find it sad that enterprise got canned right as it hit the intresting cool stuff like the founding of the federation and the forshadowing of the earth-romulin war.
 

Matt

Member
I don't find most of MacFarlane's stuff very funny, but I'll check this out. He is a huge Star Trek fan so maybe this could turn out alright if it expands from just being a parody.
It's an hour long, so technically that makes it a drama...
 

antibolo

Banned
I wonder how much of people's dislike of Archer was influenced by SFDebris. I thought he was unfairly too harsh about Archer.
 
I wonder how much of people's dislike of Archer was influenced by SFDebris. I thought he was unfairly too harsh about Archer.

the thing people have to realize about archer and enterprize in general is they are going out there and dont know wtf there doing, the vulcans wont share the cheat codes, so alot of ent is humans fumbling around and finding there way and laying the ground work for what would become the starfleet of the 23rd century and beyond. You cant expect starfleet in its infancy to act with the skills and nohow of 23rd and 24th century star fleet. Enterprise is best viewed through that lens. That being said season 3 and 4 are legit good and better than voyagers entire run.
 

Lagamorph

Member
I think Enterprise season 3 would have benefitted from not being a single season story arc. Many of the episodes seemed like they would've worked just as well outside of the whole Xindi thing.
 
Archer was fine as a captain, a more fatherly figure and buddy to the crew than the other Starfleet captains. The problem with Enterprise was that the other characters were boring as fuck. The epitome of bland and monotone. I didn't like any of them and I didn't care about any of them.

The showrunners had the chance to correct that fatal flaw in season 3. They should have killed off almost the entire crew during the Xindi arc and the exploration of the Expanse and replace them with more compelling characters. A better cast coupled with Season 4's more interesting stories could have saved the show.
 
Oh well, I made it through the first few seasons of Voyager, I can tough it out for a couple of seasons of Enterprise if it'll lay the groundwork. Even DS9 wasn't super strong in the beginning.

If you can make it through Voyager you can make it through Enterprise.
 
The problem with Enterprise was that the writers couldn't do a lot not Star Trek things with the scenary of a humanity finding its place in the galaxy.
Kind of like Voyager was just cookie-cutter federation nonsense.
 
Get the fuck out of here. Enterprise was one of the shittiest TV shows known to man. At least Voyager was good in the context of its time. It had some character. Enterprise was laughably bad and horribly written. It didn't feel like Star Strek in the god-damned least and doesn't deserve to be talked about in the series.
 
Get the fuck out of here. Enterprise was one of the shittiest TV shows known to man. At least Voyager was good in the context of its time. It had some character. Enterprise was laughably bad and horribly written. It didn't feel like Star Strek in the god-damned least and doesn't deserve to be talked about in the series.

Voyager isn't good in any context at all.
 

Novocaine

Member
Get the fuck out of here. Enterprise was one of the shittiest TV shows known to man. At least Voyager was good in the context of its time. It had some character. Enterprise was laughably bad and horribly written. It didn't feel like Star Strek in the god-damned least and doesn't deserve to be talked about in the series.

Voyager was always awful.
 

Jayne

Member
As a lover of TNG and Voyager while it aired, as well as the occasional DSN (of which I've seen all of it) but I felt Enterprise was not the worst series around. It was, to me, one of the better series on TV in the early 2000s. I actually kinda love Enterprise and, even though I understand its not as great as the earlier Trek series.
 

DBT85

Member
Get the fuck out of here. Enterprise was one of the shittiest TV shows known to man. At least Voyager was good in the context of its time. It had some character. Enterprise was laughably bad and horribly written. It didn't feel like Star Strek in the god-damned least and doesn't deserve to be talked about in the series.

Next you'll tell me that Pepsi is better than Coke.

Ent trumps Voy for me. Voy without Robert Picardo is a shitehouse.
 

JeffZero

Purple Drazi
Voyager and Enterprise are both decent IMO. I prefer Voyager's cast, though. Seven, The Doctor, Tuvok, Janeway, and B'Elanna -- I enjoy them all. With Enterprise, T'Pol's kind of the only one I really like.
 

rjinaz

Member
Some new stuff came in today.

http://trekmovie.com/2017/05/21/jason-isaacs-explains-absence-from-star-trek-discovery-trailer-levar-burton-weighs-in/

Isaacs gives a cheeky non-answer to his lack of presence in the trailer, there's a cast photo including one of the Klingons, Rainn Wilson is headed to Canada to film his episode, and LeVar Burton is hyped for Discovery.

Cameo please. I'm a sucker for cameos. Well if they are done right. Just shoehorning them in there isn't right. Brent Spiner in Enterprise was a good way to do it.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Archer was fine as a captain, a more fatherly figure and buddy to the crew than the other Starfleet captains. The problem with Enterprise was that the other characters were boring as fuck. The epitome of bland and monotone. I didn't like any of them and I didn't care about any of them.

The showrunners had the chance to correct that fatal flaw in season 3. They should have killed off almost the entire crew during the Xindi arc and the exploration of the Expanse and replace them with more compelling characters. A better cast coupled with Season 4's more interesting stories could have saved the show.

No, it wouldn't have. By that point the show was a dead man walking, if for no other reason than its channel, UPN, had morphed into chasing the demographic that was watching America's Top Model (i.e., not the people watching Star Trek.) It was basically an orphaned legacy show on a network that was preparing to turn into the CW (where it would have been even more out of place.)
 
Get the fuck out of here. Enterprise was one of the shittiest TV shows known to man. At least Voyager was good in the context of its time. It had some character. Enterprise was laughably bad and horribly written. It didn't feel like Star Strek in the god-damned least and doesn't deserve to be talked about in the series.
Get the fuck out of here. Enterprise was great.
 
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