I don't, I should really update it soon as it has been a little while.
Had enough for a heroine roll, got Elgenubi. So both accounts have that now, might try and build around that sometime.
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I don't, I should really update it soon as it has been a little while.
Had enough for a heroine roll, got Elgenubi. So both accounts have that now, might try and build around that sometime.
It's not a bad choice. You'd still need a shield for preemptives but Wedding Izanami could fill that role.
Lmeta team building could be fun.
I'm going to try a couple compositions and see if I can find anything that's entertaining to play.
For reference what I think you'd need:
- God type subs
- Guard break? (IE Rainbow color coverage)
- Shield (RCV is great but you'd need to survive the hit to heal from it)
- OE for more damage (Low priority but should still be considered.)
Lmeta should inherit something like Sheena, Momiji, Saria, or Apocalypse for burst boards, or a Dkali-like for guard break.
Shield: I think Wedding Izanami is a perfect choice. Covers fire, has tons of OE and Dark resist helps even more. She's balanced so you can tailor killers to make up for her lackluster damage and inherit over her to dodge things like Sopdet, predras, Vishnu, and Hera Dragon. Other reb subtype picks could be Lead Pollux, NY Leilan, Raphael, LKali, sub Keiji, etc This is a pretty open color for good picks.
Blue slot: Raijin is probably ideal if you want a guard break build. She brings the board change you want, covers a color, and gives you more move time. Decent more obtainable options for Blue sub att would be Apollo, Alcyone, ADQXQ. ADQXQ is a rough pick since you have to give up Revo DQXQ if you want the color coverage.
Green slot: Awoken Apollo is a good offensive pick, his prongs can make up for a lack of cross availability, Allura provides garbage clear but not much else unless you need devil killer, NY Spica is a great choice, brings OE, 2 SB, and makes a crossable board with her active while providing haste, Ana Valk is a good farmable pick if Awoken Apollo isn't available.
Dark Slot: Reincarnated Indra if you need a shield, XMas Castor/Pollux for offense, Diao Chan for an inherit base, Sub Pollux for damage and garbage clear.
If I had all the cards and wanted to run with something I think I'd try this:
team
LMeta (Light Cecil/Apoc/Saria/etc)
Reincarnated Indra (Indra)
LKali (Raijin)
Alcyone (Pollux)
Awoken Apollo (Wedding Escha) <--probably interchangeable, I prefer apollo for non-cross boards
LMeta (Uruka)
Without taking inherit bonus into account but using the HP badge I get 32k HP with inherits it probably jumps to ~34k not amazing but it should be enough to clear most stuff.
Wedding Izanami is actually a better pick than Lkali for HP and non-prong damage which is kind of interesting. I think I'll try this out later today. No wedding Escha, or Raijin though so I'll use poverty versions.
EDIT: I did some testing at lunch
Awoken Wukong will be WAY better than Awoken Apollo for the green slot. Great stats and a perfect active go a long way. I don't know that building for Guard break makes much sense. I know this was discussed around her JP release but to reiterate, unless you're actively trying to save light orbs 2 crosses will kill Predras. I still think a shield is vital. Wedding Izanami or Awoken Indra would be my preferred sub to fill this role still. Anyone else running her have thoughts?
Cleared arena 3 with dark Athena for the first time. Out of the three big leaders (Kush, radra and Athena) I think I like her the best. The speed it takes to run content is so much faster than radra and Kush and the earlier floors are much simpler. Had heradra this run and still no drop but I'll take it. Finally starting to learn how to handle these radar dragons.
SecretMoblin
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congrats!
one day I'll figure it out myself, it's the only thing stopping me from clearing
I really wish I had an indra
Wedding Izanami is a great shield sub, I'll hyper mine. Awoken Apollo is not a god, Chibi Valk and Momiji can also cover green. Ariel is another option for red. TPA is nice when you don't have enough lights for 2 crosses.
congrats!
one day I'll figure it out myself, it's the only thing stopping me from clearing
I really wish I had an indra
I'm missing Indra as well, really wish I had one for my RaDra team. I've wiped multiple times on the Kalis on Arena 3 because i couldn't tank the first hit or spike hard enough to get under 50% on turn 1.
I took L. Meta for a spin and promptly wiped to beelzebub on turn 1 because I didn't have any light orbs. This team is going to be extremely reliant on actives and tons of light orbs. I don't think I have the right team or like that play style. I'm stopping from working on inherits or any real investment here. She'll be fun to try but extremely inconsistent.
Totally missed that about Apollo, it applies to Wukong too
. I was looking at the L/B evo (which is a god) and thought that applied to his awoken evo. Probably why I was so underwhelmed with him while testing. I can see a case for Momiji, Stats aside 3 fingers are desperately needed and the board change is great. Is there a solid argument to running Chibi Valk over AnaValk? The extra TPAs are nice but losing the finger, OEs, and the active (though I guess you can just inherit) might hurt. Revo Ra as an inherit base wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. He's got the most HP for a L/G god according to padx. He's unbindable, comes with 2 fingers, can be skilled up to be a reasonable inherit base for a spike (Silk maybe?). He can also just laser predras meaning you don't need to team build for guard break.
I waffled on Ariel for the red slot. She's capable of putting out a lot of damage, she's a strong inherit base, and she's unbindable which is always welcome. I have Wedding Izanami and I'm not sure I want to give up her shield and dark resists for damage though.
LMeta's biggest problem is HP. That's my strongest argument for running Awoken Indra. Fully plussed with HP latents and Indra inherit he has over 7000 HP. That's no small amount. Wedding Satsuki also covers dark but only gets to about 5700 HP.
This is probably the best team I can make focusing on durability. I'd need to inherit orb changers in a lot of places to make it work but it's guard break compatible, has ~34k HP with HP badge and without inherit bonuses.
If I ignore guard break I replace L/B Apollo with Super evo wukong or Apocalypse. I'll play around some more when I get off work.
Totally missed that about Apollo, it applies to Wukong too
I can see a case for Momiji, Stats aside 3 fingers are desperately needed and the board change is great. Is there a solid argument to running Chibi Valk over AnaValk? The extra TPAs are nice but losing the finger, OEs, and the active (though I guess you can just inherit) might hurt. Revo Ra as an inherit base wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. He's got the most HP for a L/G god according to padx. He's unbindable, comes with 2 fingers, can be skilled up to be a reasonable inherit base for a spike (Silk maybe?). He can also just laser predras meaning you don't need to team build for guard break.
I waffled on Ariel for the red slot. She's capable of putting out a lot of damage, she's a strong inherit base, and she's unbindable which is always welcome. I have Wedding Izanami and I'm not sure I want to give up her shield and dark resists for damage though.
LMeta's biggest problem is HP. That's my strongest argument for running Awoken Indra. Fully plussed with HP latents and Indra inherit he has over 7000 HP. That's no small amount. Wedding Satsuki also covers dark but only gets to about 5700 HP.
This is probably the best team I can make focusing on durability. I'd need to inherit orb changers in a lot of places to make it work but it's guard break compatible, has ~34k HP with HP badge and without inherit bonuses.
If I ignore guard break I replace L/B Apollo with Super evo wukong or Apocalypse. I'll play around some more when I get off work.
I forgot Momiji isn't a god either, so only good for inherits.
Light Eschamalli and R Apollo are great for the light skyfall but don't cover extra colors. I don't have Eschamalli but do have Raijin if I really need all colors.
Hmm should I get Dark Athena?
I have 6 Hakus (More than my totals for other whole pantheons except Greek 1).
Also have Okuni, Eschamali, Anubis, Yomi, Kakkab, 3 hades,
Indra, Muse, Orochi, Rodin, Neptune for inherits
My only weakness is I lack a mass attack true damage option but how often do you meet a level with multi need of true damage as well as status shield. Neptune with its 2.5 to attacker and devil works great with the teams.
So I have the near perfect team for Dark Athena.
The question is whether its worth the high MP cost?
I have 6 Hakus (More than my totals for other whole pantheons except Greek 1).
Also have Okuni, Eschamali, Anubis, Yomi, Kakkab, 3 hades,
Indra, Muse, Orochi, Rodin, Neptune for inherits
My only weakness is I lack a mass attack true damage option but how often do you meet a level with multi need of true damage as well as status shield. Neptune with its 2.5 to attacker and devil works great with the teams.
So I have the near perfect team for Dark Athena.
The question is whether its worth the high MP cost?
Junky HP unfortunately. I ran with her for a bit but you need every ounce of HP, and you don't need more than 1 guard break awakening over the whole team if you 5 match the right color when you activate it. I like her trash clear, but wedding Satsuki does the same thing and saves hearts so I'd rather inherit her on to LMeta over Allura.
Which sucks because I have 4 Allura's and would like to put at least one to use.
Ideally I want the team to sit around 36k HP. My meri team can survive A3 with that HP, takes a similar number of orbs to kill and the RCV is pretty similar too. Lmeta is more reliant on inherits in my case though.
I might be able to get away without a proper spike if 1 cross + combos is enough to get past combo shield floors.
It's probably worth it if you're looking to challenge end game level content and you don't presently have a team for it.
Try
Dathena (Orochi)
R Haku (Indra)
R Haku (Eschamali/Haku)
R Haku (Awoken/Revo Anubis/haku)
Awoken Okuni (Neptune/Muse)
Dathena (Fujin)
Your biggest issue is (like you said) no Typhon/Anaphon/Lumiel/Famiel/Ryune/Blonia style board to guarantee a Dark + blue board for a big burst. The team above doesn't need the inherits if you're tackling shorter dungeon content where you don't need to stall but in that case you might be better off buying something like Yomi Dragon if the MP is burning a hole in your pocket.
The reason people say don't buy Dathena if you're not aiming at A3 is because for anything less than that you can accomplish much of the same with Yomi dragon (most of the subs are compatible too!)
SecretMoblin
Member
Elia is a farmable assist option that changes dark to light on a 7-turn cooldown with haste, I'm glad I maxed one for a suboptimal Myr TPA team because it'll probably be useful in the future
With the Dragon Caller skill-up fodder dungeons in the coin dungeons, I was really looking forward to finally being able to skill all of my Satsukis (one on main, three on alt), but there isn't a dark Dimension Dragon! And she doesn't even have a fodder in the rotation, either. It is really freaking unfair that Satsuki has no fodder available and Eschamali has three.
At least I finally got the second Sumire on each of my accounts skilled. That just leaves the Tsubaki on my main.
At least I finally got the second Sumire on each of my accounts skilled. That just leaves the Tsubaki on my main.
It comes back around every so often. Just keep an eye out. It is often one of the Monday dungeon drops.
I tested that LMeta team. It works. It really works! 36k HP and the built in Dark resist on Wedding Izanami is enough to ignore DQ hera in A1 if you're at full HP (which only takes 3 hearts. You can burn through grisars poisons if you have 3 hearts and some combos.
Combo shields aren't all that bad. Myr gave me lots of practice.
I went with Awoken Apollo on L/B Apollo, Wedding Satsuki on Lmeta, and Ilm on Wedding Izanami. Awoken Indra and Apollo worked well with prongs to get through the light stuff, a single cross did the heavy lifting on most other floors. Lmeta actually plays a lot like I play Aizen only with worse damage on non-cross turns. She can stall like a champ but you really need to invest in HP to get the most out of it.
Combo shields aren't all that bad. Myr gave me lots of practice.
I went with Awoken Apollo on L/B Apollo, Wedding Satsuki on Lmeta, and Ilm on Wedding Izanami. Awoken Indra and Apollo worked well with prongs to get through the light stuff, a single cross did the heavy lifting on most other floors. Lmeta actually plays a lot like I play Aizen only with worse damage on non-cross turns. She can stall like a champ but you really need to invest in HP to get the most out of it.
I could invest in a team for her, but why if I have Aizen? He's better all around, right? Just curious if you are experimenting for fun or have applicable uses for her over Aizen.
SecretMoblin
Member
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get that shit skilled up pronto, they are great inherits for lots of teams, too
There is a possibility that I'm responsible for Mantastic changing the background image he uses for his Youtube recordings. That pantsu shit he's been using since the dawn of time triggers me so fucking hard I just had to speak up about it. So embarrassing trying to watch some innocent Puzzle and Waifu's videos and having someone walk past my desk and having to scramble to change the tab like I'm watching some pervert filth.
Whenever there's significant dark attribute hate I like to have options. Also I think she hits harder than Aizen (not 100% sure on this). Also it's an excuse to run Lmeta. How often has that been a thing?
Aizen has a much better low end and slightly higher top end. Aizen is 36x-576x atk while LMeta is 6.25x-506x atk.
Ugh, I really want to try a Ruel team, but I am woefully unprepared in terms of Evos. Everything I want to run needs multiple ancient green masks. I was going to try something like Ruel/Attacker Odin/GD Ishida (the first evo, need to cover dark)/Kaede/Vishnu, but I need two ancient greens for ruel and three for odin. Sure, this team will suck, but it is something to mess around with and try the team out, and I can't even do it.
Eventually, I'll put awoken odin in place of Ishida, and, if I like the team, I'm pretty geared up for an Odindra purchase, which would take the place of odin. Inherits are a bit sticky, as I have some number of reasonable tri-color boards as well as two slower gronia boards. All of that on top of a need for a damage spike/shield/delay for some content. I'm not sure what spike would work the best, however. I take that back, obviously a facet would be ideal, but I don't have one. I have sheen, but there are only like 5 TE on the team (7 if I end up with odindra), so I'm not sure if it is worth it, as that would be, what a 2.5x boost? I think carat might be slightly more with the current build, but less if I end up with odindra.
Eventually, I'll put awoken odin in place of Ishida, and, if I like the team, I'm pretty geared up for an Odindra purchase, which would take the place of odin. Inherits are a bit sticky, as I have some number of reasonable tri-color boards as well as two slower gronia boards. All of that on top of a need for a damage spike/shield/delay for some content. I'm not sure what spike would work the best, however. I take that back, obviously a facet would be ideal, but I don't have one. I have sheen, but there are only like 5 TE on the team (7 if I end up with odindra), so I'm not sure if it is worth it, as that would be, what a 2.5x boost? I think carat might be slightly more with the current build, but less if I end up with odindra.
That low end is a huge boon vs sopdet. I wasn't sure about the top end but i was seeing crazy numbers.
Edit: also i can self coop with lmeta which opens a lot of content for that account
Brian Griffin
Member
Cool. The display of the art and his commentary on the looks of the characters is by far the worst part of his content IMO, especially when he includes "pretty/ugly" in his pro/con lists. Maybe it's a joke but it doesn't really come off that way.
When I'm watching PAD at work I layer my work windows such that the left and right sides are covered and only the gameplay area is shown.
Makes it hard to appreciate his content tbh. Really have no tolerance for people that shamelessly engaging in creepy/pervy weeb behavior like that. If you wanna spank it to cartoons by all means have at it but show a little tact and humility about it.
Really wish Dzy did regular videos. Even if he just uploaded clips from his stream. He's so much more personable and just as knowledgeable but you have to watch hours of stream to get it in bits and pieces. I just don't got time for that.
Brian Griffin
Member
I've been running Dzy's twitch vods while I work and they're great as background noise and I love it that he never plays music that will get the vod muted because of copyright bullshit. Mantastic's vods are pretty much useless for this reason, which is a shame. I like listening to people talk and it ironically is less of a distraction than actual people talking around me in the office.
Dzy has mentioned recently that he really wants to get back into YouTube content, even if it's just stream highlights and such.
SecretMoblin
Member
I mean I get that the dolled-up anime girls are a core part of the game's appeal to a depressingly large part of the game's user base, but it's always struck me as exceptionally odd when his girlfriend (fiancée? wife?) is sitting right there and he's remarking about Nut's sexy legs or whatever
He does put out a lot of good/interesting/useful content but it does come across as... weird
He does put out a lot of good/interesting/useful content but it does come across as... weird
Brian Griffin
Member
This actually makes it less creepy/awkward for me since she sometimes comments on their looks as well. However, it still seems to run counter to the professional appearance he seems to be aiming for.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Switched Ilmina to L/R since Ilm was feeling way too similar to DAth. Unfortunately I think I'm like 1-2 subs short of a true casino style team but otherwise it's a fun diversion.
Brian Griffin
Member
Why are some of my friends showing DeviNyan as their leader?
and then...
Fuckin smart.
and then...
Fuckin smart.
Why are some of my friends showing DeviNyan as their leader?
and then...
Fuckin smart.
?
You don't need a DeviNyan on your team to run the challenge if your friend has it
But you lose out on having a friend's leader skill. Are people really having such a hard time getting the drops that they have to make that sacrifice? Or are the dungeons actually just that easy that it doesn't matter? I haven't paid attention, I make rows with Meri by habit now.
SecretMoblin
Member
It's the latter. We don't want to waste stamina hunting for basic but unreliable monster drops, so a strong leader + devinyan means getting the challenge done without the farming hassle
I'm all for it
Every time one of those trash monster required dungeon shows up I have gotten the monster while clearing the rest of the dungeon...
Anyways, got my final 10 stones of the Heroine rem. About to roll. If it's gold I'm closing and uninstalling the app and I'm never coming back. Wish me luck.
edit: Nice knowing you friends.
Anyways, got my final 10 stones of the Heroine rem. About to roll. If it's gold I'm closing and uninstalling the app and I'm never coming back. Wish me luck.
edit: Nice knowing you friends.
Most of us have the dungeon cleared already so these new challenges are the only floor we need to clear.
Take a break liquid. We all get frustrated but if you're not enjoying it, defeating the purpose. I rolled 4 times in heroine this time around and got momiji the last three rolls.
I was considering making a roll in the upcoming Pink REM on each account just for the heck of it, because almost anything in it would be new to my accounts. But I just now actually looked up the 4* and 5* cards in the machine. Wow. Everyone but Misery really is useless, and I have no interest in the poison meta. I'll just save my stones.
Oh, okay. I hadn't had the dungeons cleared, so most of the devinyans dropped for me without a problem while I was doing the basic clearing. I only had to actually work for the red one, which I ended up getting from Gainaut. I technically got the blue one from the carnival, but I also had one drop while clearing the lower floors, so I hadn't actually needed to.
Oh, okay. I hadn't had the dungeons cleared, so most of the devinyans dropped for me without a problem while I was doing the basic clearing. I only had to actually work for the red one, which I ended up getting from Gainaut. I technically got the blue one from the carnival, but I also had one drop while clearing the lower floors, so I hadn't actually needed to.
Brian Griffin
Member
Yes. For the last challenge I ran the 50 stam one like 5 times before I got the cat. My DAth team was more than enough to take on the dungeon with a single leader skill.
Little Green Yoda
Member
That's why you should've grinded Gainaut for the cats when it was 4x exp 😃
Okay, so the PADX description of the C10 boss is missing a few details. Or zeroes, rather. But if I'm understanding correctly, the sweet spot to aim for is between 50-20%? So I'd want each monster to do around 2 million damage and then go into stall mode until his combo shield is down.
Brian Griffin
Member
Yep and bring jammer blockers if you can since they block bombs too. Padx still says this is JP only but it's not. I cooped Krishna and had RMinerva on both teams for 80% resist and it made it really easy.
Brian Griffin
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Hinomitsuha is now mine.
Hinomitsuha is now mine.
Yaaaaaay! Glad you're finally out of that hell.DOUBLE POST BUT I DON'T CARE, THE WHITE WHALE HAS FALLEN!!!
Hinomitsuha is now mine.