If you're playing a sport or you're playing a fighting game and the person you're playing with trash talks, are you going to stop playing and call them elitist? That's a hell of leap in assumptions to believe they're being dead serious.
Getting help through a summon is like a UFC fighter calling their friend in for a two on on beatdown during a cage match. Wheres the glory? People arent going to respect you for a two on one beatdown in a cage, just like how people wont respect you beating the souls games with any help. When I tell people I beat the souls games 100% solo no help I can see in their eyes that they think "wow this guy knows his shit". Conversely I have a friend who has beaten every souls game with tons of help and it always makes me cringe when hes with me and adds "Ive beaten them too!"
They should be hard, they are badges of honor for true, actual gamers that really want challenge and real life accomplishments. Id prefer trophies being locked out or maybe some box that appears once you summon going "easy mode unlocked". Maybe include a cheat mode with summons and modifiers like double health and a pause button?
I actually hated playing with other people at first in the Souls games, but eventually I gave it a shot with Bloodborne and DS3, and fell in love with it. While I don't play online often (I'm a single player gamer at heart), it's been so much fun the few times me and my friends have been able to get together and tackle a boss in Bloodborne or Dark Souls. It's a good time. While I'll play solo 99.9% of the time (mainly due to liking to play at my own pace), it's fun to play with others too. I don't think it diminishes the game at all. I Platinumed Bloodborne solo myself (non-DLC), then I did co-op with friends for a boss or two in the DLC, but ended up beating that solo as well.
Games are meant to be enjoyed however you want to enjoy them.
Lol! I think that was satire, actually. It read like a parody post to me.
Getting help through a summon is like a UFC fighter calling their friend in for a two on on beatdown during a cage match. Wheres the glory? People arent going to respect you for a two on one beatdown in a cage, just like how people wont respect you beating the souls games with any help. When I tell people I beat the souls games 100% solo no help I can see in their eyes that they think "wow this guy knows his shit". Conversely I have a friend who has beaten every souls game with tons of help and it always makes me cringe when hes with me and adds "Ive beaten them too!"
They should be hard, they are badges of honor for true, actual gamers that really want challenge and real life accomplishments. Id prefer trophies being locked out or maybe some box that appears once you summon going "easy mode unlocked". Maybe include a cheat mode with summons and modifiers like double health and a pause button?
lol? Reading the ridiculously hostile and defensive replies in this thread, I'm pretty sure I'm not the one that needs to "lighten up". In fact, I'd say exactly that to the rest of your post.You get entirely too defensive when people have a differing opinion than you. I've noticed that in a ton of threads I see you comment in. I think you're awesome, but sheesh, lighten up some, Morrigan Stark.
Getting help through a summon is like a UFC fighter calling their friend in for a two on on beatdown during a cage match. Wheres the glory? People arent going to respect you for a two on one beatdown in a cage, just like how people wont respect you beating the souls games with any help. When I tell people I beat the souls games 100% solo no help I can see in their eyes that they think "wow this guy knows his shit". Conversely I have a friend who has beaten every souls game with tons of help and it always makes me cringe when hes with me and adds "Ive beaten them too!"
They should be hard, they are badges of honor for true, actual gamers that really want challenge and real life accomplishments. Id prefer trophies being locked out or maybe some box that appears once you summon going "easy mode unlocked". Maybe include a cheat mode with summons and modifiers like double health and a pause button?
Yeah I definitely have enough time in my life to grind out gameplay patterns and memorization for hours or days just to beat a boss and then gloat about how good I am at soloing them on my favorite internet forums. Like, comment, and subscribe to my 1337 skills.
Or I can just summon Soliare and any other of my sunboiz online, and drink Estus flasks in jolly cooperation while I bop villainy and evil and actually have fun.
True.Summoning other players/NPCs in Souls makes bosses trivial
False.and you should feel bad
Nobody in real life respects us because we beat Bloodborne and all of the DS games with or without summoning. If I started a conversation with another dad while I was at my son's swimming practice and told him I beat DS3 3 times, twice on PC and once on PS4, and never summoned once, he would look at me like I was crazy, laugh and call me a fucking nerd, and then change the topic.Getting help through a summon is like a UFC fighter calling their friend in for a two on on beatdown during a cage match. Wheres the glory? People arent going to respect you for a two on one beatdown in a cage, just like how people wont respect you beating the souls games with any help. When I tell people I beat the souls games 100% solo no help I can see in their eyes that they think "wow this guy knows his shit". Conversely I have a friend who has beaten every souls game with tons of help and it always makes me cringe when hes with me and adds "Ive beaten them too!"
They should be hard, they are badges of honor for true, actual gamers that really want challenge and real life accomplishments. Id prefer trophies being locked out or maybe some box that appears once you summon going "easy mode unlocked". Maybe include a cheat mode with summons and modifiers like double health and a pause button?
Yeah this happened to me during Knight Artorias. My friend died after like 30 seconds and I soloed him after that.I've seen people fail to defeat bosses in coop plenty of times. Sometimes your summons die almost immediately and you're left alone with a boss with a buffed health. That awesome feeling when you beat a buffed boss that squashed your summons... Maybe you guys should try it sometime.
Here, take your badge of honor
Here, take your badge of honor
Wow, that thread backfire? Why is everyone taking the "you should feel bad line" so seriously? It's the gentlest of ribbing. Holy shit, gamers really are so easily triggered if Futurama references offends them so. xD
"Days" as in, some people only have very limited amount of hours to play in a day (say 2 or less) and so a boss that needs 6 hours of tries, could easily take "days", especially if you need time to get into the groove of things, every time.By jumping into Souls with any approach, they've likely already ran into points where they should've "stopped playing" (the first of these is that the game doesn't tell you to pick an "Easy Mode" in the first place). And yet they didn't stop playing and maybe they ended up liking the game more than they would like most games (and the series itself has gone on to develop a reputation that may not have existed if fewer of those points of crisis existed) even though in the short term it caused them a bit of pain. Your logic here, weakly supported by both "it's just a videogame" (as opposed to the next videogame you'll eventually play after mindlessly breezing through this one instead of sticking with it?) and going for an increasing amount of extremes to represent time wasted (a few tries and hours, then days, perhaps next will be months and years), is short-sighted.
Maximizing your enjoyment of the videogame (and far beyond that: of all time you'll be spending playing any and all videogames in a meta sense) may involve taking those hits to your ego directly, a concept I don't think should be foreign to Souls players - bigger challenge, bigger satisfaction. Maybe working your way out of getting stuck will, after some delay, will be a better experience in retrospect than gliding your way through (and becoming increasingly accustomed to the idea that your frustration with the game's depth is merely an avoidable inconvenience you are putting on yourself). Frustration, which is apart of the experience, will always tell you it's time to quit, but you can't really know for sure if that's for the best. If it's the year 2034 and you still haven't beaten Ornstein and Smough, then yeah, reconsider. But since a lot of humans were capable of defeating O&S, and arguably even harder challenges of the series, solo... maybe you can too? You may end up losing more if you sell yourself short. This is especially true if the only option is to drop the game outright, if we move away from Souls and towards something with fewer easy ways out.
Worst thread ever? Lots of people co-op and sometimes it makes the boss harder (since they have even more health).
Summoning in Souls is a lot like paying hookers. Instead of putting in the time and effort to get laid yourself, you just have to hire a professional to come and take care of it for you.
1. It's an option in the game.
2. It's meant to be used by those who need/want to.
3. People use it because it makes the game more fun for them.
4. End of story.
Seriously, I suppose it would be even more satisfying of an experience if I beat all the bosses at SL1 and naked? Armor and weapons will deduct from your sense of accomplishment!!!
Getting help through a summon is like a UFC fighter calling their friend in for a two on on beatdown during a cage match. Wheres the glory? People arent going to respect you for a two on one beatdown in a cage, just like how people wont respect you beating the souls games with any help. When I tell people I beat the souls games 100% solo no help I can see in their eyes that they think "wow this guy knows his shit". Conversely I have a friend who has beaten every souls game with tons of help and it always makes me cringe when hes with me and adds "Ive beaten them too!"
They should be hard, they are badges of honor for true, actual gamers that really want challenge and real life accomplishments. Id prefer trophies being locked out or maybe some box that appears once you summon going "easy mode unlocked". Maybe include a cheat mode with summons and modifiers like double health and a pause button?