That reminds me of myself, when I casually bring into discussion (just like now) that we got server first Ulduar back in the day. But nobody ever compliments me, not even "good job" "that's great". Best I get is "okay".
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Summoning other players/NPCs in Souls makes bosses trivial and you should feel bad
- Thread starter Imp the Dimp
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That reminds me of myself, when I casually bring into discussion (just like now) that we got server first Ulduar back in the day. But nobody ever compliments me, not even "good job" "that's great". Best I get is "okay".
Ok. Lol.
Huevos de Oro
Member
Dude, I have had entire gangs respect the shit out of me when I tell them I beat O&S solo melee.
Good stuff, I actually became PSN friends with a guy who kept trying to co-op Nameless King with me, was a really nice guy, very patient, and OK at the game. Eventually we did beat him, and it was pretty cool when we were both doing our dances. I helped him beat NK the next day, since we were both wiped after finally getting the kill lol
Greetings fellow Death's-Demise!(Mine was on an alt low-pop server after I had been farming him on my main though. We lost two tanks after Sarth 3D and fell way back).
Even though you kinda lighten your premise with a joking tone, OP, don't you think anyone using GAF has already heard this a million times? If they still chose to summon then your thread would be just another in the wasteland of Souls threads where "Souls fans" can tell the "not real Souls fans" how much more their experience was because they - didn't summon, embraced no pausing, parried instead of using a shield, didn't use magic, etc.
First Ulduar is like the best thing ever. You have my respects, that's great, good job, okay
Finally my accomplishments wont go unnoticed! I feel like a true gamer now.
Hippopuncher12
Member
While I don't agree with you in anyway, let people play how they want. I never summon unless I am in a hurry or I get to a boss that I just can't beat after 10-15 tries. So far the only boss in DS3 that has happened with is Friede...I can't beat her final phase...bitch.
Aeriscloud
Banned
Oh, is that why they include it as part of the game? So you could make a gaf thread about it?
lol.
lol.
Good job!
Okay
sorry that was too easy
WheelHoss1
Member
This.
OP you are a huge loser who wants to be an even bigger loser.
Try having sex once and you will see there are things better than video games. Try outside but hole.
Skyball Paint
Member
I'm a summoning moderate, I personally haven't used it much really, and there's some bosses like Artorias where if you summon, you may rob yourself of a really special experience.
But I don't believe that every boss in a Miyazaki game is some masterpiece to be savored like fine wine. I've beaten every boss I encountered in DS1 solo, and some of them were not worth the effort, like the Four Kings, AOE attacks, grabs, infinite homing projectile spam, and there can be up to four of them. Fuck beating that solo again.
But I don't believe that every boss in a Miyazaki game is some masterpiece to be savored like fine wine. I've beaten every boss I encountered in DS1 solo, and some of them were not worth the effort, like the Four Kings, AOE attacks, grabs, infinite homing projectile spam, and there can be up to four of them. Fuck beating that solo again.
ROUGE_BLOCK
Member
No one tells me how to play a game, OP. Especially on GAF.
And without summoning, you would have never experienced that strangely strong human connection. Journey is lauded for doing this, but as you can attest to the Souls series does it just as well. In fact, as much as I love overcoming bosses solo, I would equally love it if From went more Monster Hunter and designed an entire Souls-like around cooperation being a necessity.
Good job on beating Nameless King co-op! I actually never could help people with him because hosts could never get away from him, haha.
irrotational
Member
Some of my best gaming experiences ever have been co-op. I enjoy working as a team. I wish souls had more communication than just gestures, but it totally makes sense for the game.
hydrophilic attack
Member
about time, we haven't had a divisive souls thread in about a week or so
Funyarinpa
Member
Fuck arguing. I'm currently fighting
for the first time. First Souls game. Let's just laugh at my misadventures instead
"Hoo boy,
I guess I''ll get to swing my e-peen about defeating this boss in under 10 tries on neogaf"
;_;
I can't win
O&S
"Hoo boy,
Smough is down,
ornstein goes fucking super saiyan
;_;
I can't win
mrmickfran
Member
Life is simply unfair.
Funyarinpa
Member
mrmickfran
Member
A girl had the choice to defeat
Ornstein
Smough
Smough
In short, go after
Ornstein
Smough
Funyarinpa
Member
SL1 fist-only NG+6 with no summons or you're casual scum. get outta here
I did a no pizza run of the original TMNT on NES. That was way harder than anything in Souls lol.
Funyarinpa
Member
I've chosen not to engage with the active co-op elements of this series so far, but you're talking bollocks here. Souls is fundamentally a co-operative experience whether you're going it alone or not, there is so much detail in these games that I'm willing to bet you've looked up information online regarding weapons, items or tactics. Completing these games is not a badge of honour, they're not nearly as difficult as most people will lead you to believe, it's the oppressiveness of the world that is more likely to turn people off. Underneath that bleakness and indifference though, is a uplifting message about overcoming adversity, and there's no loss of face for having received help in the challenge. Even if you never summon a helping hand, the ghosts of those same players serve as a reminder that you're all in it together.
Imp the Dimp
Member
The thread title was definitely not a good choice and took away from my message but that's on me. I'm definitely surprised by the amount of people who don't seem to value boss fights and the need to learn patterns and figure out strategies anywhere as much as I do. I think cooping bosses in this game leads to a disproportional drop in difficulty to the point where a boss fight can become an non-event, so maybe FROM finds a solution to balance that better.
As for claiming people are missing out on a grand experience by cooping bosses, I'm sticking with it. I understand now players value vastly different things about the series, but the relief and feeling of reward after beating a boss seems very unique to me regardless of what you play the game for.
As for claiming people are missing out on a grand experience by cooping bosses, I'm sticking with it. I understand now players value vastly different things about the series, but the relief and feeling of reward after beating a boss seems very unique to me regardless of what you play the game for.
[O&S spoilers]
Giant Ornstein has like one dangerous attack if you hump his leg like a horny dog. Find him to be far easier than SSJ Smough.
This is me beating Ludwig in Bloodborne NG+ after my co-op partner died.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN69RGKtfTI
Take a hike. I have to prep for work, maintain my yard, wrangle permits for a new garage with the city, cook and prep all the meals, and plan out a reno.
I will try the boss solo once or twice and if it seems like I will need to grind for gear or levels or just to improve my timing, fuck it.
The designers gave me an enjoyable out and I will use it if I don't have time to master timing.
Allnamestakenlol
Member
I honest to God do not get that feeling you describe when beating a boss. I mean, I know a lot of people do, but I'm not one of them.
joecanada
Member
Lol I can honestly say that in all my 2 playthroughs of Bloodborne I summoned maybe 10 times and in each and every case the person I summoned got absolutely destroyed within one minute. So no I didn't Rob myself of anything unfortunately and hence why I couldn't beat ailing Loran chalice ebretias as I didn't have stamina to take one hit . Shrug .
If youre summoning and it doesn't work IE person dies, most likely youre just going to summon again on the next attempt anyway. It trivializes the fight theres really no arguing about it. Saying well if they die it doesn't help, which is true, but you can just do it again on the next try. I'm not condoning the elitism, but you can't say that the vast majority of fights don't become trivial.
Ludendorkk
Member
Go ahead and summon me all you want to
I won't judge
I won't judge
It's impressively shit-tier and I'm genuinely unable to tell if they're joking or not because Souls fans.
It makes bosses easier but it doesn't trivialize them. If it did we wouldn't have people burning through all of their humanity while trying to beat bosses.
I had to solo Nameless King, because for some reason, I could never find anyone to summon in. I think even the NPC summon was nowhere to be found. I'm assuming I hadn't done some NPC thing or another, but I did end up beating him by myself. No doubt it would have been awesome to take him down with a friend. I died so much to that fucker that I eventually got to the point where I could defeat the first round no sweat, but his second round would get me. Learning the pattern and overcoming the obstacle is great, but it's frustrating when you have limited time, and spend an entire day on a single boss.
Brought back memories of fighting Isaac Frost in Fight Night Round 4 for an entire fucking Saturday before finally putting him down. Man, fuck Isaac Frost.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
That's not for you to say. Dark Souls 2 had very little of that and took a hit for the near-lack.