That OP convinced me. If I want to play this game, I'll borrow it or get it used. I don't want to reward this company for this bullshit.
Last week, when Bungie talked about the people "killing themselves" to make sure the game was ready in September, my first thought was "it's okay, I'd rather you delay it than make people do that."
but it's telling that the general assumption is that AAA work is rough and That's The Way It Has To Be.
That OP convinced me. If I want to play this game, I'll borrow it or get it used. I don't want to reward this company for this bullshit.
So, you still want to consume the media that these developers had to go through exhausting crunch times to produce but you don't want to pay for it.
Either stand up for your principles and boycott it completely or pay for the game that these people worked hard to create.
OP do you buy cars? Working in the auto industry has shown me some real shady stuff. Stuff that makes long overtime and crunch time seem innocent. Would you boycott cars like you want to boycott Rockstar? There is shady practises in every form of business.
Or he could borrow it or buy it used. Which is a totally valid form of commerce.
Look more whataboutism. Lmao.
Whataboutwhataboutism?Or he could borrow it or buy it used. Which is a totally valid form of commerce.
Look more whataboutism. Lmao.
So, you still want to consume the media that these developers had to go through exhausting crunch times to produce but you don't want to pay for it.
Either stand up for your principles and boycott it completely or pay for the game that these people worked hard to create.
Not buying a game is not going to help poor practises. What it will do is make things worse for the devs when the game flops and layoffs happen. The only change will happen from inside rockstar. If Rockstar cant attract the talent then maybe they will change their practises but until then there is always eager devs trying to break in the industry.All these people making comments about terrible things going on in industries:
This is where the OP has begun to draw their line. What have any of you done?
Not buying a game is not going to help poor practises. What it will do is make things worse for the devs when the game flops and layoffs happen. The only change will happen from inside rockstar. If Rockstar cant attract the talent then maybe they will change their practises but until then there is always eager devs trying to break in the industry.
Everyone who reads this thread is going to forget about it once the game comes out.
All these people making comments about terrible things going on in industries:
This is where the OP has begun to draw their line. What have any of you done?
I don't get what anyone's supposed to do. We love video games, we don't want to give up so many great games over something we can't help. Sorry?what have any of you done?
Not buying a game is not going to help poor practises. What it will do is make things worse for the devs when the game flops and layoffs happen. The only change will happen from inside rockstar. If Rockstar cant attract the talent then maybe they will change their practises but until then there is always eager devs trying to break in the industry.
Won't they have already been paid (presumably) by the time the game comes out? How much of a purchase goes to the people whom this thread is about?Day 1, will reward myself and the devs.
But you guys keep fighting the good fight
Won't they have already been paid (presumably) by the time the game comes out? How much of a purchase goes to the people whom this thread is about?
Common reaction when people feel a twinge of guilt and rather than spend time in self-reflection, they lash out at the messenger. Happens a lot when discussing any topic when others have taken a principled (but non-judgmental) stand on something others have not. See vegetarian discussions as an example.
Well, "abusive work environments" is basically a dime a dozen in our industry. Hell, our consoles and our gaming devices are all created by a system that is basically abusive to their workers, and this is not really a secret that is unknown either.
So, to Raging Spaniard or the OP I ask, why stop at just Rockstar? Why not quit gaming completely, if you are a moral person who cannot stand and will not stand on supporting abusive work environments? Why just stop at Red Dead Redemption 2?
I can somewhat understand the argument about inability to quit stuff even if you dislike how they're being produced since they're tightly related to how we function and contribute to society, such as mobile phones or clothings, but surely an argument cannot be made about how video games are required for us to function and contribute properly in society?
So, I ask again, are you planning to quit video gaming altogether? If not, then why just stop at Rockstar and Red Dead Redemption 2? What makes this one so offensive to you that you don't want to buy their products and yet you're okay with enjoying and purchasing other products of video games that are most probably created with abusive working environment considering how video games industry is basically created and supported by such practices in an incredibly involved/intricate kind of way?
Thanks for the long post, Ive adressed your point multiple times in this thread (people ask the same question about 3 times per page) so just go back a bit and youll see some more posts.
The only way this changes is through unions or laws. Period.
Those things don't happen overnight. They're the result of people expressing concern and communicating and eventually getting enough support to make it happen.
There would be no unions if all talk stopped after the first concerns were waved away.
I suppose that's true, but I wish discussion and consideration were the first reactions rather than insult and ridicule.Common reaction when people feel a twinge of guilt and rather than spend time in self-reflection, they lash out at the messenger. Happens a lot when discussing any topic when others have taken a principled (but non-judgmental) stand on something others have not. See vegetarian discussions as an example.