Yoshimitsu126
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They definitely need an instrumental soundtrack!
I really liked this one this too: https://soundcloud.com/aivisura/steven-universe-im-still-here
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Steven Universe |OT4| Every Rose Has Its Thorns
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They definitely need an instrumental soundtrack!
I really liked this one this too: https://soundcloud.com/aivisura/steven-universe-im-still-here
Track 29.
Vital Tundra
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Just caught up with everything. Yo it was Pearl straight up. Yellow is just upset and wants to point the finger and be done with it is all.
DongBeetle
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Definitely settings things up for the end. Genuinely interested in this show once again!
Omega Kirby
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Greg is Pink Diamond
Been givin' Spotify dose streams
User 73706
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That's not how I read the situation at all, I think Yellow had nothing to do with Pink's death. She seemed surprised at Steven's confession because it was suprising, from Yellow's perspective Rose had been on earth for thousands of years hiding from the diamonds after escaping the corruption beam/song and now she's right there in her human disguise confessing?
Rushing through the trial makes sense because it was a sham anyway, it was never about finding the truth, both Yellow and Blue are absolutely convinced that Rose killed Pink, the difference is that Yellow wants to get it over with and move on (which fits her attitude in "That will be all") while Blue wants to know every detail, she wants to know why and how Rose did it not if, that's a wuestion she never asks.
That seems too obvious
Then again we have to contextualize it in Yellow's relationship to Blue. The diamonds care deeply for one another (White not withstanding) and What's The Use of feeling Blue really puts into perspective Yellow's feelings. She looks forward despite her feelings unlike Blue. The song was her attempt to cheer up Blue Diamond and the trail was held to bring closure to Pink Diamonds story. It just didn't help that it just tore open old wounds.
ForkNetwork
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While I agree that it sounds obvious, the idea that Yellow killed Pink Diamond seems even more obvious. I hope the plot goes on a different direction than just saying "oh Yellow did it and thats why she wanted the trial done quickly"
I don't think she killed her. I think she knows why and it's something she doesn't want out there.
I also suspect Yellow of knowing something about pink's death, but her behavior is pretty much in line with what we've seen of gems from her court; rash, belligerent, and quick to act on base instincts, all seem to be yellow traits. Contrast with blue gems who are much more composed and analytical in the way they approach situations.
The trial definitely set up ambiguity in the circumstances surrounding pink's murder, so I'm eager to see how the show conducts a murder investigation.
As a quick note about these last episodes, I'm concerned that we saw nothing of White Diamond, not even an acknowledgment of her existence. If she really ends up being the big bad of the show, the crew should start making her presence known so they can build her up.
The trial definitely set up ambiguity in the circumstances surrounding pink's murder, so I'm eager to see how the show conducts a murder investigation.
As a quick note about these last episodes, I'm concerned that we saw nothing of White Diamond, not even an acknowledgment of her existence. If she really ends up being the big bad of the show, the crew should start making her presence known so they can build her up.
Gang, I've figured it out.
Looking over all the evidence, it's clear to me now who was responsible for Pink's shattering.
It wasn't Yellow Diamond.
It wasn't White Diamond.
Or even Blue Diamond.
All the clues point to one person, and one person alone! It was...
Looking over all the evidence, it's clear to me now who was responsible for Pink's shattering.
It wasn't Yellow Diamond.
It wasn't White Diamond.
Or even Blue Diamond.
All the clues point to one person, and one person alone! It was...
Seems like he actually had a lot of stuff planned ahead, i think he was still credited long after he passed away even up to omniverse.
Bravo!
What if White Diamond is....just propaganda made up to keep lower gems in line?
Exterminieren
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We saw what was presumably her ship in the background on Homeworld, but yeah. If she is the Diamond above Diamonds that various bits of background details and design have implied, I'd say we need to see more of her soonish.
KenzinFive
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Based on how involved Yellow and Blue Diamond are (they're moving around quite a bit for intergalactic rulers), I'm imaging that White is the ultimate Diamond who just stays on her throne while her sisters do all the actual running of the empire. Then again, she may also handle a lot more than the two of them, which is why YD and BD can do stuff like run off to the Zoo or preside over the trial of a single gem.
I'm convinced she's being addressed this season. Either we see her or she's mentioned as an entity/goddess. The corruption attack from Lapis' flashback in Same Old World had white, yellow, and blue light, so I don't think she's a fusion like some people have theorized. She's probably like her sisters, but just more powerful.
Exterminieren
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I reckon there is a fusion involved, but I think White Diamond is part of it rather than being the end result. If you look at the modern Diamond insignia, there's a black area where the three colours overlap- if there's going to be a final Big Boss, I'd guess that it's Black Diamond.
TheGreatDirector
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Son of a...
White Diamond probably stays on Homeworld governing. I imagine no one expects her to go out and actually do things, since if she did it would be a huge deal. She definitely exists though.
In "That Will Be All" Blue Agate is surprised that she was met by not one but two diamonds. She didn't say ALL the diamonds.
Yoshimitsu126
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I reckon there is a fusion involved, but I think White Diamond is part of it rather than being the end result. If you look at the modern Diamond insignia, there's a black area where the three colours overlap- if there's going to be a final Big Boss, I'd guess that it's Black Diamond.
Just realized this but it's weird that the colors are Triangles instead of Diamond like the original with Pink. It makes sense thematically because Triangle Trio but its still odd to me.
Freezasaurus
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Just bought it from Amazon. Thanks for the reminder. I didn't even see it listed until I looked for it today.
I'm of the mind that this is actually white diamond and that she's such a level of being above even blue and yellow diamond. If she were of the same cut (ha) as YD and BD, you'd think she'd want to talk to the gem that shattered her fellow diamond, even if she was behind it, just to keep up appearances.
User 73706
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I posted a theory following the Wanted leaks (because of the title card) but before the actual airing on Reddit. Long story short, provided the Gempire has an actual resource shortage, White Diamond's ship we see in the background may be powering Homeworld, as it would likely be the single most advanced piece of technology around during the war. That, or White Diamond herself is stuck powering Homeworld.
I see it less as Blue and Yellow Diamond nefariously leeching WD's life force from her gem and more White Diamond being relegated to some kind of space office while she pours energy attacks into a giant conduit or something. This would narratively make it easy to justify her absence (what would be significant enough to warrant putting their entire homeworld on emergency power?), and it's also a clear way to illustrate WD as the de facto Gem authority if she's strong enough to power a planet for thousands of years on end.
Thirdly, and most significantly, this also gives Homeworld an easy out on contextualizing their tyranny - they're not infinitely expanding because reasons, it's because Blue and Yellow have been trying to liberate White Diamond. It would even make Earth a more significant misstep in their eyes - they might have been looking at the answer to their prayers by developing a new power source or even a new Homeworld entirely, but after Rose Quartz fucked everything up they just had to cut their losses and plant the Cluster. Yellow seemed tired talking to Peridot during Message Received, so I can't imagine she's having very much fun in her current predicament, either.
I see it less as Blue and Yellow Diamond nefariously leeching WD's life force from her gem and more White Diamond being relegated to some kind of space office while she pours energy attacks into a giant conduit or something. This would narratively make it easy to justify her absence (what would be significant enough to warrant putting their entire homeworld on emergency power?), and it's also a clear way to illustrate WD as the de facto Gem authority if she's strong enough to power a planet for thousands of years on end.
Thirdly, and most significantly, this also gives Homeworld an easy out on contextualizing their tyranny - they're not infinitely expanding because reasons, it's because Blue and Yellow have been trying to liberate White Diamond. It would even make Earth a more significant misstep in their eyes - they might have been looking at the answer to their prayers by developing a new power source or even a new Homeworld entirely, but after Rose Quartz fucked everything up they just had to cut their losses and plant the Cluster. Yellow seemed tired talking to Peridot during Message Received, so I can't imagine she's having very much fun in her current predicament, either.
InaSnowBoundLand
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I am hoping that the next step is to investigate PD's death.
I am hoping this involves taking the Gems to HW itself to meet up with either PD's old entourage or something else similar.
I am hoping this involves taking the Gems to HW itself to meet up with either PD's old entourage or something else similar.
bulletbill10
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Do you have a link for amazon? I can't find it for the life of me!
Freezasaurus
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Sure.
Today was actually the first time I've seen it listed. I was checking sporadically since it was announced and this is the first time it showed up.
bulletbill10
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Thanks a ton! Bought.
At this point in the series this theory makes the most sense to me, for the bolded reasons.
Atraveller
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What if Steven goes into Lars' hair while Lars was in Lion's mane?
Ffffffffuckkk
Ignatz Mouse
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Listening to the soundtrack on shuffle is big fun.
Amibguous Cad
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Wait a second
Isn't Lars (sometimes) short for Lazarus?
Son of a bitch had this planned the whole time
Isn't Lars (sometimes) short for Lazarus?
Son of a bitch had this planned the whole time
Black-Wind
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My thoughts on the end game is this.
I think that the Gems, as a race, is relatively young. And by that I mean that for beings that live thousands of years or just forever naturally there may not be too many massive generations separating new gems from very olds.
IMO HW kinda created gems on it's own. They developed and created form after form to learn and evolve over time. They start to develop tribes and groups and fight over shit like humans do. At some point the diamonds install rule and order for the most part. Part of doing that is assigning everyone a role that they must do for the greater whole and keeping fusion between cross gems out of the picture as they have great power and no clear use. Same goes for the Diamonds, each controls and pushes the whole in their own way. Blue would be culture and the arts, Yellow would be military and law enforcement. I'm thinking White would be the sciences and Pink would be population control and growth (as they can't reproduce).
They start to build and build, growing more complex systems and magi-tech. At some point in all this history they figure out what makes gems come outta their planet and how to control it.
At some point they realize (or confront the issue they knew about already) that their planet can not endlessly make gems. That it's a non renewable resource and that every gem forever takes a tiny bit from their world. (Why Earth offers so much in Pdot's eyes. It has systems in place worth understanding and studying) Problem is that they have been treating gems as if they're a renewable resource and can be replaced if they don't follow the rules or do their roles. That's how their whole civilization was built and that's how they run shit.
So in order to fix this they expand outward. IMO WD is held as the head of HW because she's the driving force to their advances in magi-tech for both military might and infrastructure building and it was her who designed the systems in place that allow gems to be customized and made for their roles (even though Pink may control population and Yellow the military and blue the culture parts).
This is where the first era injectors come into play. We have a definite grasp on when they started expanding and making gems on planets other than HW imo.
We also know that it's known that HW resources arent what they would like and without PD heading the population control I think we have WD taking over that role on HW ... leading me to believe that in her logical, scientific PoV making gems SMALLER than they would normally be and stripping away traits that they don't NEED will slow the drain on their planet. A Pdot doesn't need to change shape to do her job, she doesn't need to be tall or strong or to even have a weapon. Tech can cover all these roles if needed ... right? Doing this makes a smaller hole and makes a smaller footprint.
So yeah, TT;DR
I think PD dropping out put a lot of stress on an already stressed system and that gem expansion is the result in the diamonds abusing the resource that is HW. It feeds into the way they run things and keep gems in check, by making them replaceable clogs useful only for the roles the diamonds deem them fit even though we know they're capable of so much more. I think end game will be the diamonds trying a new way of doing things after Steven gives them The Talk to end all TALKS.
I think that the Gems, as a race, is relatively young. And by that I mean that for beings that live thousands of years or just forever naturally there may not be too many massive generations separating new gems from very olds.
IMO HW kinda created gems on it's own. They developed and created form after form to learn and evolve over time. They start to develop tribes and groups and fight over shit like humans do. At some point the diamonds install rule and order for the most part. Part of doing that is assigning everyone a role that they must do for the greater whole and keeping fusion between cross gems out of the picture as they have great power and no clear use. Same goes for the Diamonds, each controls and pushes the whole in their own way. Blue would be culture and the arts, Yellow would be military and law enforcement. I'm thinking White would be the sciences and Pink would be population control and growth (as they can't reproduce).
They start to build and build, growing more complex systems and magi-tech. At some point in all this history they figure out what makes gems come outta their planet and how to control it.
At some point they realize (or confront the issue they knew about already) that their planet can not endlessly make gems. That it's a non renewable resource and that every gem forever takes a tiny bit from their world. (Why Earth offers so much in Pdot's eyes. It has systems in place worth understanding and studying) Problem is that they have been treating gems as if they're a renewable resource and can be replaced if they don't follow the rules or do their roles. That's how their whole civilization was built and that's how they run shit.
So in order to fix this they expand outward. IMO WD is held as the head of HW because she's the driving force to their advances in magi-tech for both military might and infrastructure building and it was her who designed the systems in place that allow gems to be customized and made for their roles (even though Pink may control population and Yellow the military and blue the culture parts).
This is where the first era injectors come into play. We have a definite grasp on when they started expanding and making gems on planets other than HW imo.
We also know that it's known that HW resources arent what they would like and without PD heading the population control I think we have WD taking over that role on HW ... leading me to believe that in her logical, scientific PoV making gems SMALLER than they would normally be and stripping away traits that they don't NEED will slow the drain on their planet. A Pdot doesn't need to change shape to do her job, she doesn't need to be tall or strong or to even have a weapon. Tech can cover all these roles if needed ... right? Doing this makes a smaller hole and makes a smaller footprint.
So yeah, TT;DR
I think PD dropping out put a lot of stress on an already stressed system and that gem expansion is the result in the diamonds abusing the resource that is HW. It feeds into the way they run things and keep gems in check, by making them replaceable clogs useful only for the roles the diamonds deem them fit even though we know they're capable of so much more. I think end game will be the diamonds trying a new way of doing things after Steven gives them The Talk to end all TALKS.
Freezasaurus
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KenzinFive
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I understand the issue with keeping songs short. When they're normal-length, they can be a third of the episode. "Here Comes A Though" and "What's the Use of Feeling (Blue)?"mare basically the entire second acts of their respective episode.
That being said, I think "Tower of Mistakes" would be mentioned more as a Top 5 song if it were longer. It's so, so good, but I get disappointed when it ends; it always feels like it finishes too soon.
User 73706
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I think Amethyst having fairly undercooked songs is very much intentional.
Actually a miniature statue.
He will pop out in the Lars portal area. This is basic stuff.
Also if Lars pushes his feet out his exit it'll just come out his head. Effectively flips him upside down.
If Lars goes headfirst through his exit it'd be like pushing against your own strength in opposite direction, nothing happens, it's a wall to him.
User 73706
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If Lars and Lion both try shoving Steven into their manes at the same time, it produces a black hole.
Atraveller
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What if you mash their hair together?
User 73706
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I just discovered Steven University, which involves a SU fan / podcaster watching Steven Universe with one of his friends who's never seen it before. I'm only a couple episodes in, but it's pretty great so far.
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