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The scene spells out what's going on and people still don't get it...
It's probably something only U6 saiyans can do, and as far as we know, Caulifla has been the only saiyan to do it by skipping the "get angry" requirement.
Exactly, the scene is meant to show how much of a genius Caulifla is, they even hammer the point by having Cabba tell her it's impossible to do it without being angry and having Kale fail to do it.
maybe but even if it isn't does anyone seriously think they have to get pissed off every time they go super saiyan? that would be stupid
FTFY
True. Honestly the only one who would even be smart enough to think of triggering SSJ another way in U7 is Gohan, and even he didn't pick up on that.
longdi
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I expect 34 episodes for this arc then. We are talking about a way bigger cast here. Cell just fought goku n gohan n have kiddy cells ohko the z-fighters.
This arc seems to be nothing like any previous arc, with all these new characters. Even the jobber universe wolves fought for 3 episodes.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
As much a genius as Goten!
Goten has probably forgotten how to go SSJ.
We're going to get a Gotenks with half SSJ hair this arc, and we know who to blame for that.
I'm kinda glad they haven't really brought back the gotenks fusion gimmick. Though it does put Trunks and Goten on the back burner.
Reizo Ryuu
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People still don't get it smfh.
Dragon ball always have bullshit powerups and powers.
Like goku reading krilins mind in namek a power he learned from nothing, the classic goten/Trunks ssj, gotenks ssj3, 3 times gohan unveils his hidden power (namek with patriarch/Cell/Mystic), the classic bullshit that saiyans become stronger after losing, picolo fusing with neil to get a power up, magic majin thing that turns people stronger, power up holy water in kairin tower
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Thinking a scene is bad/stupid = you don't get it.
Ok thanks everyone.
No I understood the implication of her "prodigy" ki management levels just fine, I just thought the scene was fucking stupid down to the visual effects of little "SSJ" power bubbles popping up on her shoulder blade, that shit was dumb. Before those 3 we had the implication that super saiyan was a product of being pushed beyond your physical limits and or reaching some sort of breaking point. I just feel like saying "make powah in your back!" is a stupid way of doing it, that's just like.. my opinion man.
I really don't appreciate the insinuation that having a difference of opinion on something means "you don't get it" that's arrogant as hell bro.
Reizo Ryuu
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This isn't about your "opinion", this is about you stating something stupid like:
This is straight up factually wrong, the scene spells it out so clearly what actually happens. But you clearly didn't get it based on what you think happened.
This is straight up factually wrong, the scene spells it out so clearly what actually happens. But you clearly didn't get it based on what you think happened.
actually Cabba just taught her how he does it now since he doesn't have to get pissed off every time he does...and she just replicated it.
Mister Wolf
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That implication got thrown in the trash once Goten and Trunks did it. We had an assumption.
ZSaberLink
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Right? I'd assume Whis & Vados probably saw it and as usual do nothing about it and giggle.
Im not insinuating,If thats what looks like, my bad, i dont like the way they showed too, It Was lame, but that explanins Goten and Trunks, since probably they never suffered or had a Rage event.
Crimson_Echidna
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Hey now to be fair, Goten had to deal with Chichi.
Romars202129
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I get what you're saying, but trivializing past power accomplishments is Dragonball to a T. This was just the final nail in super saiyan's coffin.
Omega Kirby
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Cabba is going to job harder than Vegeta's whole life
Sony
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With all due respect, as dumb as Goten and Truks' SSJ transformations were, there is no canon explanation for why they are SSJ. It might be because Goku and Vegeta ascended to a SSJ Base form around the Cell games saga and concieved Trunks/Goten in that phase, who knows. However, for Caulifla, there is now a canon explanation on how to go SSJ and it's dumb.
Come to think of it, I have a small rant in general regarding powerups. Even the way Cabba went SSJ is kind of bullshit in my opinion. If awaken rage is the prerequiside to go SSJ, Goku should have become SSJ during his fight with Raditz, Vegeta or earlier in his fight with Freeza where he was drowned.
Regarding the "rage/anger" powerup, even that is inconsistent. I really disliked that Zamasu telling Goku that he killed Chichi and Goten gave him a marginal power boost, if any at all. FFS you're wife and son were killed! This is completely out of sync with Vegeta's rage boost when Beerus slapped Bulma, or that glorious moment when Goku got a rage boost after being drowned by Freeza and imagining loosing his family... Goku endured fighting on the edge for a large period of time before he was pushed over the edge and became SSJ. Cabba wasn't even on the edge for more than 5 minutes, let alone being pushed over the edge...
Trunks being conceived is how Vegeta became a Super Saiyan in the manga canon.
Serious answer. Last I recall, there was a frame in the manga where Goku's training in the spaceship, and the narrator states that he can now become a Super Saiyan or something along those lines. So I think you also need to have your base level reach a certain minimum.
Wasn't Cabba just describing the on/off switch for Super Saiyan? Like the literal technique of doing it? You still have to awaken it, but I don't see how describing the sensation of turning it on and off contradicts anything. The only reason Caulifla could bypass the awakening is because she's a badass
I think the back explanation makes perfect sense. Like others have mentioned, the cast turns SSJ anytime they want, solely the initial trigger having been rage. If the sensation they then felt was a collection of energy in their backs, it might just be what they use to achieve SSJ henceforth. Vegeta never told Cabba to focus his energy in his back either, but that's what it felt like to him and so this is how he described it to Caulifla, who managed to achieve the form with ease.
So BS that is unexplained is better than BS that is explained because you can make up fan theories.
Thanks but no thanks, I'm fine with fixing plot holes like Vegito not being permanent or Goten doing 0 effort to go SSJ
The rage thing should turned Goku SSJ back in OG Dragon Ball.
We've known for a while that rage can sometimes get you a power up, ever since Gohan training to become SSJ
This issue exists since Z, not since Cabba. And I hope they do explain it.
NeonZ
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I think the real mistake was making them know nothing about SSJ and rush them getting it. They should just be part of some gang that was in some very far away place, distant from the Saiyan planet and the frontlines of the mercenaries, and then when Cabba arrives there to his surprise Caulifla and Kale are already SSJs. There was no need to make them transform for the first time a couple of hours before the tournament.
shadowsdarknes
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I do hope not.
SSJ seems believable and intuitive to learn by observation.
And I doubt anyone will be giving her instructions how to do it either.
you must be new to anime
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
Its basically a thing in anime where gang members will refer to their leader as "aniki" or bro.
She called her sis several times in the Febrola episode as well.
It's most likely used as a way of addressing someone you have respect for, like when 2 guy friends call each other bro. If they were related, I think she would have mentioned that, not only that but Ranko, or whatever that one guys name is who suggest Caulifla to Cabba would have mentioned if he had 2 sisters.
I can't get too caught up on details making sense in Dragonball because in the end, it's not really written with details in mind. Like, Toriyama just gave Vegeta a brother out of nowhere for no reason other than "Eh, it would be neat." And neat it was. I really don't think any details hold up to close examination, so it's honestly better for my personal enjoyment if I just...well, don't. Nothing against anyone doing that or saying they're wrong, like whatever makes the show enjoyable for you. For me personally though, I think that details in Dragonball are there to just vaguely justify the narrative and don't make much sense if put together, which is fine with me.
So at this point I just watch Dragonball sorta like wrestling. I expect some justification to borderline make sense if I squint my eyes and to have cool music, but to break down if I give it any kind of serious thought.
What I'm saying is that Goku is John Cena.
So at this point I just watch Dragonball sorta like wrestling. I expect some justification to borderline make sense if I squint my eyes and to have cool music, but to break down if I give it any kind of serious thought.
What I'm saying is that Goku is John Cena.
Twig and Berries
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What bugged me most about the way Caulifa unlocked SSJ had more to do with how Cabba taught her and the poor exhibition of power. Caulifa was impressed when she saw SSJ but its superiority was never really demonstrated to her. Cabba didn't really "train" Caulifa, he just taught her how to do it. It would have been great if he had shown how much stronger he was while sparring and then show how she learns on the fly and adapts. Hell, they could have still kept the focusing of energy in their back schtick but just make the whole process more difficult to achieve. The way they did it, it wasn't quite a joke like Goku learning kamehameha from watching Roshi once or Goten/Trunks unexpectedly already being able to go SSJ but it wasn't earned either, it just sorta happens in the most mundane way possible.
Honestly, I would have preferred if they had just shown up at the tournament and Cabba had said he taught them off screen.
Honestly, I would have preferred if they had just shown up at the tournament and Cabba had said he taught them off screen.
Wheeljack539
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It's not just a gang thing though. And the female equivalent to "aniki" is "aneki" though keep in mind that's not what Kale referred to her as.
I think you have to work from context here. Caulifla referred to Kale as her prodige; it's not made clear that she's actually her sister. "Oneesan" can also be used to refer to perfect strangers if they're young women, but Kale obviously knows Caulifla, so it's not that. So I'm leaning on it being a term of respect as well.
i expect 2 episodes dedicated to each of the universes at the very least. 1 episode will be to get rid of the fodder and 1 other to get rid of the best they have.
with the ridiculous power creep they've been having i expect her to achieve ssj3 before she is eliminated.
Almost forgot this from my post-episode fever, but the stage in this battle is really cool. The arena's definitely up there with the Tenkaichi Budokai as a distinctive location; I feel like it's going to be the most memorable place of any battle in Super so far. The only competition I can think of is Goku and Beeru's fight in the stratosphere.
Additionally, the fact that physics in this place are variable is really cool. It feels way more godly than anything we've seen so far. It even varies depending on whether you're a competitor or not.
Additionally, the fact that physics in this place are variable is really cool. It feels way more godly than anything we've seen so far. It even varies depending on whether you're a competitor or not.
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