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Anita Sarkeesian's astounding 'garbage human' moment at Vidcon

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Velkyn

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I played through the whole game. Got it on a midnight launch. Held a close-knit Zelda/Switch launch party.

Zelda's purpose is in part to be saved by Link. Again. In a title meant to buck the series' conventions.

She has an amazing backstory and character development, at least for the series.

But let's not act like her being rescued wasn't as much an end goal as killing Ganon.

I feel the same way, and here's the totally shocking part.

Despite my criticism of Zelda's role in the story I still love the game to death! It's almost as if...I can like a thing while pointing out aspects of it I find problematic. Crazy, right?
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Didn't Anita call Zelda in BOTW sexist and didn't even play through the game enough to even know what the fuck Zelda's purpose was? Yes she did. That's one of the ways she bends things to fit her agenda.
I love BOTW as a game but Zelda in BOTW literally spends the entire game
trapped inside Hyrule castle with Ganon, hasn't aged a day through the power of magic, spends the majority of the flashbacks being protected by Link and getting told what her purpose as the princess is and that she can't deviate and only when Link's life is in danger, (her family, friends,
and town got destroyed in front of her eyes...), does her power activate.
The devs also talked about how they spent a lot of time debating about making her attractive for the player and kept iterating on her appearance to reinforce that. Not exactly a positive example of female representation. Hell, she
even gives Link the light arrow this time instead of being allowed to use it like in the past.
At best, she's another example of how regressive Nintendo can be sometimes when it comes to their princesses. Great that they gave her personality that in turn wants to buck tradition but they still have her reinforce the tradition by having her needing to be saved by Link, again...
 

marrec

Banned
Gaming ain't shit, man.

Really out here justifying harassment because she said some things about games.

I mean, she drew up on Hitman and then all of a sudden IO releases the best game of 2016 for their next Hitman title.

Maybe she's onto something :thinking:
 

MrBadger

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"There's plenty of evidence she's terrible"

"Ok what is it?"

"Pshh I don't have time for this kid"

"No seriously what is it?"

"Well she got a thing wrong in Hitman"

Every fuckin time.
 

WaterAstro

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The problem with this is that "feeding the trolls" in this particular case, means doing your job. You have to remember, these epople have made hundreds, LITERAL HUNDREDS, of videos trying to expose the woman as some sort of fraud, often times ignoring actual record or history. They aren't interested having some sort of dialogue, they want her to disappear. The only way to not feed the trolls is to literally submit and never work in the space again. And that's letting them win.

Wrong. If she keeps to a professional tone and does not directly acknowledge them, she can answer that question while indirectly addressing the issue that she is currently facing.

Public speaking doesn't have a rulebook. This reads like some intro level college course point.

It does have a rulebook on how to be a good public speaker, unless you take Trump as a good speaker because he won the election.
He's not a good speaker.

Buddy, they're going to continue trolling her whether she says something or not. Me? I'd rather heckin' say something and stand up for myself.

If that group's objective was to get a rise out of her and film it, then not standing up to it would means they wasted their time.
 

Morrigan Stark

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I don't hate Anita.. I'm just saying. There's two sides of the coin. I don't agree or condone the harassment she's faced. I will say some, maybe even a lot may be due to her making weird and reaching or completely inaccurate claims like that.

Like how she said in Hitman players are encouraged to kill women, then proceeded to show herself needless in dragging a dead woman's corpse around mindlessly... Saying that's what men do. That was pretty..... hmm.. fabricated.

"I don't condone harassment BUT she used a poor example in her video! I mean c'mon! TWO SIDES!"
 
Did anyone see that documentary Bully?

In it, there's a scene where one of the bullied kids gets irritated at his bully, and fights back. This is when the teacher steps in and forces them to apologize to each other. The bully plays the whole Cartman-shtick and starts acting all sad and alike, while the other kid doesn't want to forgive him, since he's been bullied by him since day one. The teacher then basically tells the bullied kid "C'mon, don't be so bitter, he's apologizing to you", essentially forcing the bullied kid to forgive the bully and shake his hand.

Yeah, Sargon is the bully. Fuck him. Dude is an idiot, self-loving "intellectual", who can't read or argue for shit, and who will probably be the reason why society implodes.
 

redcrayon

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If three rows of people, all of whom were bigger than me, and after years of throwing abuse at me online, showed up at a panel I was talking on about bloody computer games with the express stated intention of intimidating and harassing me, I'd be calling the police. It's not 'trolling' or 'shitlording' at that point, or whatever 'harmless' terms these wankers hide behind while conducting hate campaigns from behind their keyboards, it's fucking stalking. It's one step away from one of these fruitcakes taking it to the next step, at which point the ringleaders will be the first to put their hands up and say 'nothing to do with me, I just egged him (and it will be a guy) on for years and told him where to find her and bought his ticket'. Why event organisers don't take this more seriously is beyond me. If the industry itself doesn't crack down on this creepy shit so fucking hard someone will end up dead one day, either by their own hand or at the hands of one of the disciples of these professional stalkers.

I mean, Christ, there are pundits in this industry (and various public figures) where I don't believe a word they say and think they are fundamentally dishonest crooks, but what I don't do is spend my free time following them around the country with a pack of other lunatics for shits and giggles.
 

Da-Kid

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She said they tryed to change but ended up with Zelda being trapped in the same way.

That is not as simple as just calling sexist and not playing. She mentions that you can enjoy something and be critical of it on EVERY SINGLE VIDEO.

I still have LOTS of problems with how they handled the Gerudo city and quest but loved the game anyway
Zelda wasn't trapped in the sense of being a damsel. She was literally the only thing keeping Ganon from killing everyone, and she did it for 100 years. That's pretty damn impressive.
 

hawk2025

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There are not "two sides to the coin".


You are asking us to, in a debate between eating a whole bar of soap or none at all, to compromise by agreeing to eat half of it.
 
Wrong. If she keeps to a professional tone and does not directly acknowledge them, she can answer that question while indirectly addressing the issue that she is currently facing.



It does have a rulebook on how to be a good public speaker, unless you take Trump as a good speaker because he won the election.
He's not a good speaker.



If that group's objective was to get a rise out of her and film it, then not standing up to it would means they wasted their time.

A good rule in general is to avoid lecturing a victim of harassment on how to keep harassment from happening. Because it's definitely the victim's fault!
 

AngryMoth

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Anita Sarkeesain is a fucking hero for persevering through the amount of bullshit she has to put up with from scum like this. Regardless of minor points where I may disagree I think it's undeniable she has had a positive impact on the industry in terms of rasing awareness of issues of sexism and inclusiveness and I believe there's a few examples of developers directly siting here as an influence on their approach to these issues. If I have a daughter some day videos games will be in a better place for me to introduce them to her thanks to people like Anita
 
guys I know Sargon and his cronies have made porn and violent flash games about Anita, doxxed her and made her and her family feel unsafe, constantly sent her rape and death threats via the Internet, and made up bomb threats to stop her from giving speeches, but did you know she wasn't 100% accurate when talking about my favorite video game? that's pretty bad too
 
This is the reaction of a group of people who has lost all sense of perspective.

I can only imagine how painful it must be to have your life be so meaningless that you find joy in "real life shitposting." Too useless to produce positivity into the world.


LOL

Time to take the black.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Wrong. If she keeps to a professional tone and does not directly acknowledge them, she can answer that question while indirectly addressing the issue that she is currently facing..
It's not the job of women to be submissive in the face of harassment and intimidation.
 

Mesoian

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Wrong. If she keeps to a professional tone and does not directly acknowledge them, she can answer that question while indirectly addressing the issue that she is currently facing.

I would say that the hundreds of videos against her, her work and her associates over the past 2 years alone are more than enough to refute your hypothesis. This harassment happens whether she acknowledges the crowd or not, as history has shown.

I get what you're saying man, but you're assuming that the people against her in this instant have all their marbles. They don't. This is not sane behavior.

guys I know Sargon and his cronies have made porn and violent flash games about Anita, doxxed her and made her and her family feel unsafe, constantly sent her rape and death threats via the Internet, and make up bomb threats to stop her at giving speeches, but did you know she wasn't 100% accurate when talking about my favorite video game? that's pretty bad too

And if she stays professional and demur about it all, surely they'll just all stop out of respect for human decency.
 

Velkyn

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I don't get why we have to hold every female critic to this impossible fucking standard whereby she gets one factual thing slightly wrong and it suddenly invalidates the entire point and EVERY OTHER point she's ever made.

Do these people live in some alternate reality or something? Jesus.
 

LKSmash

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I feel the same way, and here's the totally shocking part.

Despite my criticism of Zelda's role in the story I still love the game to death! It's almost as if...I can like a thing while pointing out aspects of it I find problematic. Crazy, right?

Actually that is problematic. We're gonna need you to go ahead and mail your Switch back to Nintendo. It's just been revoked.
 

Morrigan Stark

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guys I know Sargon and his cronies have made porn and violent flash games about Anita, doxxed her and made her and her family feel unsafe, constantly sent her rape and death threats via the Internet, and make up bomb threats to stop her at giving speeches, but did you know she wasn't 100% accurate when talking about my favorite video game? that's pretty bad too

This is all lies.


Nobody has Hitman: Absolution as their favourite video game!
 
He's actually very nice to her in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qEwRZ0PziA

I actually just watched his video on this. He said that Sarkeesian ended the panel by telling the crowd to take what was apparently aggressive action against bullying and negativity. He then added on to what she said by saying something to the effect that he was more in favor of positivity. Sarkeesian seemed ok with that, but then had some words for him after the panel, mentioning that she was upset that she didn't have a chance to respond to what he said. They talked it over for awhile and things seemed ok.

So those mouthbreathers were lying as usual. Using another person as a shield to justify their shitty behavior.

Cool.
 

Altairre

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I don't hate Anita.. I'm just saying. There's two sides of the coin. I don't agree or condone the harassment she's faced. I will say some, maybe even a lot may be due to her making weird and reaching or completely inaccurate claims like that.

Like how she said in Hitman players are encouraged to kill women, then proceeded to show herself needless in dragging a dead woman's corpse around mindlessly... Saying that's what men do. That was pretty..... hmm.. fabricated.
So you don't condone the harassment but you're saying that it's basically her fault. Got it.
 
Are you really in disbelief that a culture that allowed Gamergate to exist at all, a culture that balks at women's-only events as implicit attacks on all men, is also interesting in tone policing a woman's response to her serial harassers?

Argh I know you're right but fuck.

I literally bolded in the OP the section where she addresses that specific line of moderate both sides bullshit too.

Both sides is probably my most hated argument of the last 5 years.
 

Oersted

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Didn't you send death threats to the dalai lama and claim he came from mars?
You either post a link to her position or you accurately represent her views, no more shitty driveby vague BS.

"There is so much to admire in BOTW. Its gameplay is incredible. But that absolutely doesn’t excuse its use of tired, sexist plot devices."

and "The slew of perfect scores BOTW received from critics shows that most still don't give a damn about how women are represented in games."

As I mentioned, this isn't relevant.

This is simply used as an "excuse" to attack her as human being.

Some here have to learn that it is okay for a critic to have a different opinion, to be sometimes wrong.
 

Raging Spaniard

If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Didn't Anita call Zelda in BOTW sexist and didn't even play through the game enough to even know what the fuck Zelda's purpose was? Yes she did. That's one of the ways she bends things to fit her agenda.

LOL totally deserves being chased around the country, then!
 

Order

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Zelda wasn't trapped in the sense of being a damsel. She was literally the only thing keeping Ganon from killing everyone, and she did it for 100 years. That's pretty damn impressive.
She was literally a damsel in distress. Damn near every major character you meet says "Save her, Link" "You must rescue the princess" "She's in trouble"
 

Da-Kid

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"I don't condone harassment BUT she used a poor example in her video! I mean c'mon!"
That's not condoning it. That's merely me saying that may be one of the reasons some do harass her.

For example, you can not condone violence but see that the reason someone got beat up because they were talking shit. That's possible cause and effect.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
I don't get why we have to hold every female critic to this impossible fucking standard whereby she gets one factual thing slightly wrong and it suddenly invalidates the entire point and EVERY OTHER point she's ever made.

Do these people live in some alternate reality or something? Jesus.
Calm Waterfall is a god damn idiot. But i'm sure he misrepresented a game at one time, so i can call him that.
Make sure to also call him a liar, a manipulator, and an opportunist. That's fair.
 

flkraven

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZPSrwedvsg
She purposely lies about Hitman and manipulate everything to fit her own agenda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI

If this is the best evidence you can turn up for calling someone a, what was it:

"Anita Sakeesian is a liar, manipulator, opportunist. She is actual garbage human being as well. "

Man, I must be some kind of asshole if this is what a liar, manipulator, opportunist garbage human looks like.
 

LotusHD

Banned
Didn't Anita call Zelda in BOTW sexist and didn't even play through the game enough to even know what the fuck Zelda's purpose was? Yes she did. That's one of the ways she bends things to fit her agenda.

Is this really the time and place for this...
 
She was literally a damsel in distress. Damn near every major character you meet says "Save her, Link" "You must rescue the princess" "She's in trouble"
The god damn trailer that everybody list their minds over, me included, ends with the words "Save my daughter, save Zelda".

I don't agree with her entirely. But it's not like I can't see her point.
 

SOME-MIST

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How dare Anita not be a perfectly stoic robot. How dare she call out a piece of shit for being a piece of shit? She should have simply pretended he's not there, because that is surely the correct, appropriate way for an harassed woman to react.

Yikes. To act in a professional manner means you need to be a perfectly stoic robot? I didn't realize it was so strict in nature.

She's giving the guy more undeserved attention... which, I would hope we can agree is the last thing something this guy needs. Had it not been for this thread/situation I still wouldn't know who the guy was.

preach on brother. lmao
 
That's not condoning it. That's merely me saying that may be one of the reasons some do harass her.

For example, you can not condone violence but see that the reason someone got beat up because they were talking shit. That's possible cause and effect.

There's some real crazy false equivalence going on here.
 

Mesoian

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"I don't condone harassment BUT she used a poor example in her video! I mean c'mon! TWO SIDES!"

"A BAD EXAMPLE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT I COULD OR COULD NOT INTERACTIVE WITH DANCING STRIPPERS! STRIPPERS ARE LIKE MY FAVORITE THING! BURN THE WITCH! BURN HER!"

Ludicrus.

That's not condoning it. That's merely me saying that maybe one of the reasons some do harass her.

For example, you can not condone violence but see that the reason someone got beat up because they were talking shit. That's possible cause and effect.

You do understand that that is not sane or civil behavior right?

This is all lies.


Nobody has Hitman: Absolution as their favourite video game!

SURELY NOT! IT ONLY SOLD 3.6 MILLION AND THAT WAS WELL BELOW WHAT SQUARE WANTED FOR THE GAME! BURN THE WITCH!
 
If that group's objective was to get a rise out of her and film it, then not standing up to it would means they wasted their time.

Not at all. They would have said she ignored them because she didn't want to debate them or was too scared to face the facts. How they harass people online and in-person really aren't that different.
 

Burbeting

Banned
guys I know Sargon and his cronies have made porn and violent flash games about Anita, doxxed her and made her and her family feel unsafe, constantly sent her rape and death threats via the Internet, and made up bomb threats to stop her from giving speeches, but did you know she wasn't 100% accurate when talking about my favorite video game? that's pretty bad too

More or less this.
 
CITATION NEEDED.

That means post a link or something.

BUT EVEN IF THAT'S TRUE (claps in between all that), that is her opinion which you can choose to disagree with. YOU DO NOT FUCKING GO TO HER PANEL WITH THE INTENT OF INTIMIDATING HER INTO SUBMISSION!

How is that difficult to understand.

If you don't agree with her, don't watch her shit. If you start a harrassment campaign against her because you don't agree with her, YOU ARE A PSYCHOPATH. Full stop.

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I mean I don't always agree with Anita, she can be a bit pessimistic at times IMHO, but harassment is never okay especially when it's from people who feel threatened with the ridiculous notion that she's taking away "mah sexy waifus!"
 
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