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[DryEyeRelief]

I'm saying that pro players are inherently bias due to their desire to progress in the tournament scene. Casuals look to them for their opinion. They have specific, inherent feelings revolving around very, very specific play styles that inherently will clash with any sort of game that comes out in general. When they complain or criticize, those feelings inherently get boosted and people adopt those feelings, regardless of the quality of the game. It's fucking stupid. For the vast, VAST majority of players, pro opinions are irrelevant.

That's your assumption. For instance, KaneBlueRiver learned from his travels in Japan that the game gained the nickname, "Job Fighter 5." That comes from the game not being enjoyable to play win or lose.

How can you hold this view and then cite the game is good because of Evo top 8? Evo top 8 was comprised of players who have issues with the game.

 

[GinoFelino]

You can't stop the Capcom hate internet mob. This game will forever be trash to them.

Evo finals were awesome this year and show what a great game it is at high level play. People crying about "content" but too afraid to go online and play against people.. lol.

People afraid to go online because they think everyone's a killer but the truth is they just can't learn to adapt or block anything so they blame the game.

Ppl crying about "content " need to learn how to block

This thread is too much

 

[Baron Von Beans]

Dunno if anyone else had this, but the audio wasn't syncing up in that YouTube video, and it totally ruined it. Being said, not watching a SF at eco for a few years, the pomp and circumstance is getting a little out of hand almost. Then again, they are really hyping it up, so I guess it works out

 

[Jawmuncher]

Good post OP.

I still think it's mediocre at best though.
I haven't had much fun playing it and imo the matches haven't been as hype as those in the past.

 

[Valkerionseven]

Capcom had and still has work to do on this game but its just not being done. Where are the single player features, why are there STILL clipping issues, can we get non-sexy costumes for the ladies? How about survival quality of life, why do stages have such inconsistant visuals? old ones have transitions/wall animations but none of the new ones do, why do they have muted colors in the new ones but vibrant in the old, reuse of basically all background characters in the premium capcom cup stages.

so on and so forth. Game's got issues, competitive play isn't it. If it did not hook you it probably never will, and it probably won't get you back if it failed to do so before.

 

[Lulubop]

SF fans be like

 

[mbpm1]

Ppl crying about "content " need to learn how to block

This thread is too much

It really seems like two worlds apart for some.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Ppl crying about "content " need to learn how to block

This thread is too much

People block in sf5?

 

[JusDoIt]

The only reason SFV is on ESPN is because of the capcom name (and probably a Sony brand deal) not the games quality. Tekken 7 will outsell SFV and the scene is growing larger. Tekken 7 will be at every tournament from here on out. Capcom can only rest on its laurels for so long.

If names alone were what determined what gets aired on ESPN, Call of Duty would have been there first (maybe it has?). Even Mortal Kombat and Smash would have been there first if we're just talking about fighting games.

SFV is on ESPN for the same reason SFII became a phenomenon in the arcades. The series has always been an eyeball grabber that's very easy to follow.

 

[zenspider]

the fact you typed this means that your opinion is invalid and wrong.

Also this is a ridiculous statement you made



So what are you actually insinuating? Pro players that don't like the game are 'wrong'. Casuals that don't like the game are 'wrong'.

So you are basically trying to say is...if you don't like SFV, you are 'wrong' and only those that like SFV is 'right'.

So much for objectivity.

I think what he's saying is just because you don't like it, it's not a bad game. The issues that did make it "bad" have largely been addressed, and you're left with what was strong from the beginning, the gameplay (though I'm liking it less due to the system changes over 2 seasons, but still).

The argument that SFV is broken or incomplete just doesn't fly anymore, and I agree with the OP that it's time to drop the meme.

As far as arcade mode goes, they added vs. AI a long time ago. Go into versus mode and roll your own. I agree survival is a poor substitute, but I also think arcade mode is dumb if you want to learn how to play properly.

 

[Killa Sasa]

Game's not perfect
I've had a decent amount of fun playing it
It's in a better place than its horrendous launch and can be had for a deal
If you're not on it day in day out it remains pretty fresh to play and watch

It's not as bad as people but it's not untouchable. Game is just deece. First impressions do count and the internet, sometimes unfortunately, is written in ink. Only a handful of games were able to turn the poor tide and that required a lot of goodwill moves that lasted. They can get there.

For what it's worth, I enjoy it

 

[PullumPurna]

I think SFV is an amazing game, one of the best fighting games out there with its mecanics and style. Each character feels unique and the championships are always a blast to watch.
There are lots of problems and I think the biggest one is that the game seems to only work for tournaments, the learning curve is too high... Also there are problems with FM gain, excessive amount of fanservice, lack of different modes, very expensive costumes, lack of communication (in a game that relies on constant updates, it's really strange.) But I also think the game gets lots of hate over its gameplay and mechanics, and I understand the difference of opinion but I don't really understand it.

 

[Dartastic]

SF fans be like

True.

People block in sf5?

Yep. They sure do!

Once again, I'm not saying that the game doesn't have problems. I'm saying the hate is ridiculous and undeserved.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

I like SFV but I still no it's inferior to almost every fighter on the market. I still play online when I got the Street Fighter itch, but I know it's flawed. Why should we as fans settle for "good enough" when we know capcom can do better and other companies put so much love and effort into their games. I'm really curious to see if the capcom name can carry MvCI or is it going to be dropped like sf x Tekken.

 

[Cody_D165]

Tekken 7 is a shining example of the modern fighter imo... yeah its a 3D fighter instead of a 2D fighter but everything from the presentation to the gameplay is incredible.

It embodies everything I love about fighting games (even though I continue to be garbage at them )

Capcom and SFV, on the other hand, have continued to disappoint so I'm going to hold off on supporting them for a while and turn my attention elsewhere. Just my opinion.

 

[Producer]

The only reason SFV is on ESPN is because of the capcom name (and probably a Sony brand deal) not the games quality. Tekken 7 will outsell SFV and the scene is growing larger. Tekken 7 will be at every tournament from here on out. Capcom can only rest on its laurels for so long.

the capcom name doesnt mean shit anymore, lol. Its not the 90s or early 2000s anymore

 

[Zackat]

It desperately needs a new coat of paint. I hope ssfv is true.

 

[tribal24]

I think half of the hating on it comes from it skipping the XB1 entirely, and the rest of it comes from ppl just riding with the mob hating (and mysteriously still playing the game anyway, lol).

/thread thats the real reason why those agendas pop up and theres always a few people in SFV thread saying ifs super releases it has to come out on xb1 for it to be good. see it all the time.

 

[Perineum]

Good post OP.

I still think it's mediocre at best though.
I haven't had much fun playing it and imo the matches haven't been as hype as those in the past.

This is another good point. In SF4 when I got a clutch read into a tight link combo, into great meter use, into a win...oh baby did I feel it and loved it. I would often upload my matches for buddies to see and saved TONS of replays.

0 times that happened in SF5. Not shitting. I have no matches whatsoever except from beta when the game was new and R.Mika was funner and could do far more combos.

Tekken though? Lord the other day I got into a super close 2-2 match, final round, floor break, the music is jacked to the max, blood pumping, and I eek out a slow mo win. Fucking creamed my jeans with hype. I literally stood up and did a Ric Flair WOOOOH!

That's what SF5 should be causing for me like SF4 did, and it doesn't. Therefore it's a downgrade from SF4.

SF5 will NEVER be the game I want:

Hard execution wise so I can appreciate my own play, my opponents play, and top level play. Top level play with higher execution barriers can cause insane moments with drops or hype moments when they do some super clutch 1 frame link god like business.

It needs more options for characters. Not necessarily in movesets, but an extra V skill, V trigger, and Super for each character is much needed to expand on the game.

Lastly it still doesn't have a character that clicks with me. In SF4 that was Abel and Hugo. In SF5 the best I had was Gief, but this version of Gief without greenhand is whack.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

I didn't say people didn't play them but they aren't center stage at every major fighting tournament. Those games finals aren't broadcast on ESPN. For all the casual talk it's the Top fighting game in the fighting game community. As I said I think Capcom is happy with that. Might not have the initial sales as more casual friendly Fighters, but years to come it'll stay profitable.

In all fairness, regardless of what you think about the quality of SFV, it's the "biggest fighting game" at tournaments because it's the most recognisable fighting game brand as an exclusive on the currently best selling console ever.

Not because of the quality of the game itself.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

If names alone were what determined what gets aired on ESPN, Call of Duty would have been there first (maybe it has?). Even Mortal Kombat and Smash would have been there first if we're just talking about fighting games.

SFV is on ESPN for the same reason SFII became a phenomenon in the arcades. The series has always been an eyeball grabber that's very easy to follow.

And Tekken isn't? Street Fighter simply got the right deals with their Sony partnership. I guess saying it played on ESPN is this years "over 5000 registrations!"

 

[Tallshortman]

In all fairness, regardless of what you think about the quality of SFV, it's the "biggest fighting game" at tournaments because it's the most recognisable fighting game brand as an exclusive on the currently best selling console ever.

Not because of the quality of the game itself.

How would it being exclusive to one console make it have a bigger player base?

And Tekken isn't? Street Fighter simply got the right deals with their Sony partnership. I guess saying it played on ESPN is this years "over 5000 registrations!"

lol you brought up the ESPN thing. Why are you trying to spin this as people using it as an excuse for something when they're just responding to your incorrect original claim?

 

[remz]

If it doesn't bother you, it doesn't bother you, but don't act like you don't see the issue people have with some of the designs.

Is it because her costume is so revealing/showy/goofy, then?

Regardless, he didn't say R. Mika, he said "The Female Designs" This game also features Chun Li, IMO an all time great design, alongside other visually strong contenders in Karin & Kolin so I'm just wondering what the issue is here.

When people say a game has "bad character design" I'm interested to hear why. To me a good design is something visually unique that communicates a character's personality/abilities at a glance. I think SFV has done a great job in conveying character personality through design so it's goofy to me to hear that the designs are bad.

Tekken 7 is a shining example of the modern fighter imo... yeah its a 3D fighter instead of a 2D fighter but everything from the presentation to the gameplay is incredible.

It embodies everything I love about fighting games (even though I continue to be garbage at them )

Capcom and SFV, on the other hand, have continued to disappoint so I'm going to hold off on supporting them for a while and turn my attention elsewhere. Just my opinion.

Like.... How is Tekken 7 -THAT- much better than SFV. The feature sets of the game are practically identical apart from Tekken having...

+ A Half assed 4 (5?) stage arcade mode
+ Character Dressup
+ Treasure Battle
- Shitty Busted as Fuck Online Mode that barely connects and lags the fuck out when it does
- Absolutely no tutorials/learning tools or even combo trials
- Not Able to play proper training mode with programmed dummy while waiting for ranked games

I've played T7 about 100hrs, SFV way more, but acting like Tekken is this awesome complete package is fuckin bullshit man, sorry. The only thing well executed by Bandai Namco there over Capcom is their marketing and PR making people think that.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I like SFV but I still no it's inferior to almost every fighter on the market. I still play online when I got the Street Fighter itch, but I know it's flawed. Why should we as fans settle for "good enough" when we know capcom can do better and other companies put so much love and effort into their games. I'm really curious to see if the capcom name can carry MvCI or is it going to be dropped like sf x Tekken.

That's a huge factor as of late. People know capcom is capable of so much more. So they're gonna let capcom know one way or another that they want their A game.

 

[Interficium]

In all fairness, regardless of what you think about the quality of SFV, it's the "biggest fighting game" at tournaments because it's the most recognisable fighting game brand as an exclusive on the currently best selling console ever.

Not because of the quality of the game itself.

If this is true then Street Fighter X Tekken should have been fucking huge.

Let's try a little harder guys.

 

[Lights and Waves]

I don't think Street Fighter V is a bad game, but I do think Capcom's business practices are garbage and they don't get half the hate they actually deserve.

 

[ec0ec0]

lol

what do you want us to say?

you think that how the game is played is fine. If people came with legitimate complains and explained the game mechanics behind them (like some did in a thread that we had just some days ago) you would just say, "i dunno, evo top 8 was awesome"

 

[Q8D3vil]

That's your assumption. For instance, KaneBlueRiver learned from his travels in Japan that the game gained the nickname, "

Spoiler

Job Fighter 5

." That comes from the game not being enjoyable to play win or lose.

How can you hold this view and then cite the game is good because of Evo top 8? Evo top 8 was comprised of players who have issues with the game.

My friend who traveled to japan and know few players there said the same thing. He said that becoming a pro gamer is their dream even if they had to play a game they dont like.
Also, he showed me a video of someone asking momochi "sf5 good or a bad game?" He said " stupid game".
I dont think its late to fix the game and make it more competitive with the right balances and fixes.

 

[Laiza]

This is a terible reason to hate the game and it has nothing to do with the actual mechanics. I mean, you do you, but like, come the fuck on.

The whole reason I got into the genre in the first place was because of the aesthetic. The mechanics are important, yes, but they're quite literally only half the game. The presentation is the other half, and as far as I'm concerned they dropped the ball hard with those character designs.

Maybe you would've been okay with SFII-level sprite work in 2017 if the mechanics were all there, but you have to realize that this is also meant to be a spectator-friendly game, and right now there are issues that get in the way of that, not the least of which is how they treat their female characters. Your priorities are not the greater populace's priorities, and it's best you learned to recognize and accept that.

Worst character designs I've ever seen in a Street Fighter game, and this is coming from a huge fan -- it's so bad I literally have zero interest in the game.

Yeah, seriously. IV was far from perfect but it hardly ever reached the incredibly low lows of V. Especially with crap like this:

If it doesn't bother you, it doesn't bother you, but don't act like you don't see the issue people have with some of the designs.

Or this:

Or this:

Or this incredible downgrade:

If they really want to grow the FGC, maybe they should consider making their designs less off-putting to women like me? If only. I mean, they even pay lip service to the idea of growing the community, but lip service says nothing when their actions speak for themselves.

 

[Jawmuncher]

This is another good point. In SF4 when I got a clutch read into a tight link combo, into great meter use, into a win...oh baby did I feel it and loved it. I would often upload my matches for buddies to see and saved TONS of replays.

0 times that happened in SF5. Not shitting. I have no matches whatsoever except from beta when the game was new and R.Mika was funner and could do far more combos.

Tekken though? Lord the other day I got into a super close 2-2 match, final round, floor break, the music is jacked to the max, blood pumping, and I eek out a slow mo win. Fucking creamed my jeans with hype. I literally stood up and did a Ric Flair WOOOOH!

That's what SF5 should be causing for me like SF4 did, and it doesn't. Therefore it's a downgrade from SF4.

SF5 will NEVER be the game I want:

Hard execution wise so I can appreciate my own play, my opponents play, and top level play. Top level play with higher execution barriers can cause insane moments with drops or hype moments when they do some super clutch 1 frame link god like business.

It needs more options for characters. Not necessarily in movesets, but an extra V skill, V trigger, and Super for each character is much needed to expand on the game.

Lastly it still doesn't have a character that clicks with me. In SF4 that was Abel and Hugo. In SF5 the best I had was Gief, but this version of Gief without greenhand is whack.

I can definitely sympathize with the character issue as well. I even got Juri but with her big changes (much like how you mentioned they changed gief) it's hard to really click in.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

How would it being exclusive to one console make it have a bigger player base?

It wouldn't. Who was talking about player bases? I was referring to Purest's post about it being the biggest at fighting tournaments.

Would that still be the case had it been an exclusive to Xbox? I doubt it. Not even the Street Fighter brand is THAT strong.

 

[Dartastic]

That's a huge factor as of late. People know capcom is capable of so much more. So they're gonna let capcom know one way or another that they want their A game.

I'm all about this.

 

[JusDoIt]

And Tekken isn't? Street Fighter simply got the right deals with their Sony partnership. I guess saying it played on ESPN is this years "over 5000 registrations!"

Tekken 7 is definitely as watchable as SFV. I don't think Tekken traditionally has been particularly watchable tho.

 

[Producer]

I don't think Street Fighter V is a bad game, but I do think Capcom's business practices are garbage and they don't get half the hate they actually deserve.

what business practice? fight money? Cause that shit is great

 

[Rickenslacker]

There's a problem when SFIV Ken looks better than SFV lol, and nah I'll be complaining until they fix that mess.

He literally does not lol

To quote myself from another thread:

I mean fair if you don't like new designs, but you can still use a classic look.

And SF4 Ken was another gorilla man in a wig.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

A question to the OP: if SFV wasn't called Street Fighter, and the cast was all new characters that functioned the same as SFV characters, would you still play it? Would you defend the lack of modes if it wasn't Street fighter? Would you enjoy the 50/50 heavy gameplay if it wasn't a capcom game? Would you make a thread defending its launch and dismissing complaints? Or are you only looking over faults because it's Street Fighter?

 

[QisTopTier]

It's not a bad game, but it's not a great game either

 

[xDUMPWEEDx]

A Super SFV relaunch would redeem everything.

 

[Qvoth]

i will keep on posting this
normal throw loops MUST be nerfed

 

[TheTylerRob]

If this is true then Street Fighter X Tekken should have been fucking huge.

Let's try a little harder guys.

Nice try but no. A mainline street fighter will always be more popular than a spinoff, and the community rejected that game because it had just as many problems as V.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I actually like Juri's new outfit more than her SF4 loo, but I seem to be in the minority there. Also don't think there's any real issue with it. Since they did get the undershirt. Had they kept it like in the story mode where she had her biker suit with no undershirt it'd be trash.

 

[remz]

Yeah, seriously. IV was far from perfect but it hardly ever reached the incredibly low lows of V. Especially with crap like this:

Or this:
cammy
Or this:
laura
Or this incredible downgrade:
juri

If they really want to grow the FGC, maybe they should consider making their designs less off-putting to women like me? If only. I mean, they even pay lip service to the idea of growing the community, but lip service says nothing when their actions speak for themselves.

Well IV kinda did reach those lows , because Cammy was in that game wearing the exact same thing she wears in 5, so I don't know what posting her here is meant to prove other than people look back on 4 with rose tinted glasses and punish V for having the same character as it's predecessor lol.

Also: Everyone points at laura being this godawful design but hair shows up everywhere from Splatoon to Overwatch so I feel like Capcom were kinda on trend there for once. The titty gi is pretty shitty but the hot jujitsu lady idea isn't awful as a brazil rep?

 

[Rickenslacker]

i will keep on posting this
normal throw loops MUST be nerfed

They automatically get nerfed when people stop quick rising into them.

 

[Renekton]

i will keep on posting this
normal throw loops MUST be nerfed

Weren't they nerfed already?

I mean Ryu can't follow up after a throw.

 

[Lulubop]

The whole reason I got into the genre in the first place was because of the aesthetic. The mechanics are important, yes, but they're quite literally only half the game. The presentation is the other half, and as far as I'm concerned they dropped the ball hard with those character designs.

Maybe you would've been okay with SFII-level sprite work in 2017 if the mechanics were all there, but you have to realize that this is also meant to be a spectator-friendly game, and right now there are issues that get in the way of that, not the least of which is how they treat their female characters. Your priorities are not the greater populace's priorities, and it's best you learned to recognize and accept that.

Yeah, seriously. IV was far from perfect but it hardly ever reached the incredibly low lows of V. Especially with crap like this:

Or this:

Or this:

Or this incredible downgrade:

If they really want to grow the FGC, maybe they should consider making their designs less off-putting to women like me? If only. I mean, they even pay lip service to the idea of growing the community, but lip service says nothing when their actions speak for themselves.

Cammy has the same outfit in 4, so I guess it does huh?.

 

[Spinosaurus]

It's not a bad game, but it's not a great game either

Pretty much. I like the game but S3 really needs to shake things up lol. This season was a step in the wrong direction.

 

[Swarna]

Nah, it's still shit. Okay, it's not bad but gets boring pretty quick.

Gameplay was good in theory, bad in execution. It's still recoverable but I doubt it'll happen given patch history and general direction. Just feels stale with little room for variation and expressiveness. I took for granted how much freedom SF4 allowed for. Reactionary footsies are so much less practical and reliable, especially on PS4. I feel like re-adjusting movement/normals/pacing to be like 3S would improve the game.

I never really cared about the game as a single-player product but it's obvious it's dead for casuals (barely any copies on Steam sold beyond launch period).

I will say this, though, the game gets a far worse rap than suitable for it. Even as someone who calls it garbage every chance I get, it's very noticeable to me how other fighting games fly under the radar for all their issues while SF5 gets roasted at every opportunity. Like, playing Tekken right now and it has worse loading times, no cross-play, and paywall-only DLC characters. Barely a murmur about it. We got it years later than the Japanese, too, which everybody is also cool with.

I'll probably only boot it up every couple of months only unless my main Sagat is interesting to play. Otherwise I'm waiting patiently for SF6.

 

[TheTylerRob]

They automatically get nerfed when people stop quick rising into them.

Then I go for a tic throw setup, then I shimmy. They're still way too good, people shouldn't be getting thrown 3 times in a row in top 8 at evo.

 

[Laiza]

Well it did, because Cammy was in that game wearing the exact same thing she wears in 5, so I don't know what posting her here is meant to prove lol.

Cammy has the same outfit in 4.

Cammy should've been improved, but instead she gets the same crap with bigger boobs (why, why, why did they give EVERYONE a boob job in V?). They should've known well enough to give her some bloody pants at this point, but instead they doubled down on the stupid.

Half the female cast being fodder for straight male boners and the other half having costumes specifically to sex them up when their primary costumes don't is a huge issue for accessibility with this game. It's too damn much. I don't want to be reminded of how the FGC views women every time I tune in to watch a match with one of those characters. Even when they have Cammy wearing a less-revealing outfit they have underwear shots out the loo thanks to that tiny skirt! It's ridiculous and it has to stop if they're actually serious about expanding the FGC.

 

[LaNaranja]

Street Fighter 5 is garbage because it tears about forums like this. Lets all agree to never discuss it again and all accept the true GOAT fighting game into our heart.

Spoiler

Which is of course King of Fighters.