UnemployedVillain
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If you'd put them on the same level you are
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Bloomberg Poll: Hillary Clinton more unpopular than Donald Trump
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If you'd put them on the same level you are
Skellig Gra
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Fair enough but it's naive to say he didn't influence the behavior of other posters.
clevbrowns94
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Well, I for one like her less knowing that she was the last person standing to stop Trump, but she barely campaigned, didn't campaign in key places like WI, and generally screwed around in hindsight. So yeah, every day I wake up with President Trump, she bears the most blame.
Steve Youngblood
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OK. But I'm admittedly just being an armchair analyst. I'm not using only my speculation to be VERY CONCERNED about something.
Garrett Hawke
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No, the people who voted for Trump gave us Trump.
She's not entirely responsible for other people's stupidity, and she certainly wasn't the only factor in her loss.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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I like her a lot more than Trump, but I don't particularly like her either.
excelsiorlef
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There are no rumors that she's running and if she came out and said she isn't you'd probably act like that's evidence that dhe is
eBay Huckster
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hrm, yes, let's throw out the person singlehandedly keeping the government with some semblance of function while the GOP runs around with its entire body on fire
Yea I never supported Hillary after her Iraq war vote. I think she would have been just as happy to attack Iran. Libya gave up their wmd's and they got wrecked. Now north Korea has no reason to act peaceful because acting peaceful and giving up your weapons gets you killed apparently. Not defending Gaddafi but I'm sure Kim un saw what happened there.
InstigateAndInquire
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Thank you. This is the interesting poll. The one that "matters".
Not the poll from OP about popularity - Clinton was the most popular politician at the start of the election cycle. 'Popularity' changes with the wind.
andythinkpad
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I lol'd. I hope the DEM don't try to sell a old and sick candidate with lot of packages in 3 years.
HighResTomato
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They are both fucking trash from my point of view.
Wish Obama had become the true Emperor he could have been and launched a dynasty that could last a thousand years.
Wish Obama had become the true Emperor he could have been and launched a dynasty that could last a thousand years.
UnemployedVillain
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But people conveniently forget Sanders and Biden voting (the latter drafted) for Bill Clinton's Violent Crime act despite it massively accelerating the needless incerceration of minorities. SMDH.
legacyzero
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Me too. Except, I would say that's it's a valid concern to have. Just like you said, she blew a General Election to the worst President in history, and is planning to jump back into the political arena for the mid-terms, with a party that's just as, or even more unpopular than Trump.
That's very concerning to me.
Yes, let's keep the person who has also contributed heavily to the loss of over 1000 seats all over the country. One of those is worse Han the other, no?
Also, why did you pick Pelosi out of my comment, but leave Manchin? What about Feinstein?
wild wild rice
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He tells it like it is and Hillary Clinton has blood on her hands, it's easy to understand.
excelsiorlef
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It's not a valid concern because it's based on literally nothing but obscene paranoia.
And you have no idea what she's planning on doing... and neither did the articles you shared.
clevbrowns94
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I agree, but she still is the one single person that bears the most blame to me. Trump voters as a group bear more blame, especially the 77,000 that tipped PA, MI, and WI. She got some poor treatment from the media, such as the media obsession with her emails in the last week that was likely enough to sink her, but the race was always hers to lose, and she could have easily won it with better campaigning imo.
excelsiorlef
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That's not her job. You don't even know what her job is.
legacyzero
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That wind can go any direction though.
I was with Clinton on day one. I remember how excited I was for her when she put up the announcement on YouTube. Then that Bernie guy came out of nowhere, and I just loved his platform and grassroots campaign better. It just happens.
Steve Youngblood
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What role is she planning on playing in the 2018 midterms?
Game2Death
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I think this kind of ties in to the WaPo stat that said the majority think that the Democratic Party only stands against Trump instead of for anything. The majority of the country didn't believe she stood for anything. And before people say she had a lot of policies, her slogan was "I'm with her". That's not exactly a winning idea for the country, its pretty much "I'm not him".
GregLombardi
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The masses are so dumb. So dumb.
I'm not saying they should yell "We want her as President", but if you can't look at the current situation and parse that the country is in grave, grave danger, you don't deserve to be here. And you don't deserve a vote.
I'm not saying they should yell "We want her as President", but if you can't look at the current situation and parse that the country is in grave, grave danger, you don't deserve to be here. And you don't deserve a vote.
On some level I do feel for her.
She was ambitious and driven and committed a lot of her life to civil service and actually seemed to care about doing a good job at it. She amassed a huge resume of qualifications and embarked on a campaign that seemed to be trying to argue that this time she wasn't running because it was her "turn" but because she had the experience, wherewithal, and drive to be a good president.
And she lost to the worst possible person. For reasons that must seem, from her vantage-point, to have nothing to do with her politics and everything to do with the reflexive loathing that has defined her entire public life.
I don't know how you even begin processing the fact that enough people preferred a blatant conman over you to swing the election of the presidency.
If the election were held again, of course I would vote for her again, and I don't see how it could even be in question that she would be better than Donald Trump.
But I don't like her. Is it reflexive sexism? I hope not. Is it defeated liberal syndrome? Possible, I've fallen to it before.
Honestly, I think it's disappointment. She ran the exact wrong campaign for the cultural moment and she failed to change course to counter the rising tide of the worst parts of America. She tried to run up the score in swing states without even noticing that the entire working-class base of the party was shearing away. I know that it was never going to be an easy victory because so many people had made a habit of hating her for so long, but I wish she had recognized that sooner. I don't think she recognized the existential threat that Trump presented and I blame her for that miscalculation while also accepting that she was far from alone in that misstep. When Trump took the nomination the Hillary campaign should have taken a hard look at where his support was coming from and what was driving them. They needed to build a campaign around more than simply pointing out that Trump was a dangerous ignoramus and instead recognize that he had a core emotional appeal to a lot of very angry voters.
She ran a bad campaign at the worst possible time. She has to bear responsibility for that and if a pollster asked me today if I had a favorable view of her I would likely answer "no."
She was ambitious and driven and committed a lot of her life to civil service and actually seemed to care about doing a good job at it. She amassed a huge resume of qualifications and embarked on a campaign that seemed to be trying to argue that this time she wasn't running because it was her "turn" but because she had the experience, wherewithal, and drive to be a good president.
And she lost to the worst possible person. For reasons that must seem, from her vantage-point, to have nothing to do with her politics and everything to do with the reflexive loathing that has defined her entire public life.
I don't know how you even begin processing the fact that enough people preferred a blatant conman over you to swing the election of the presidency.
If the election were held again, of course I would vote for her again, and I don't see how it could even be in question that she would be better than Donald Trump.
But I don't like her. Is it reflexive sexism? I hope not. Is it defeated liberal syndrome? Possible, I've fallen to it before.
Honestly, I think it's disappointment. She ran the exact wrong campaign for the cultural moment and she failed to change course to counter the rising tide of the worst parts of America. She tried to run up the score in swing states without even noticing that the entire working-class base of the party was shearing away. I know that it was never going to be an easy victory because so many people had made a habit of hating her for so long, but I wish she had recognized that sooner. I don't think she recognized the existential threat that Trump presented and I blame her for that miscalculation while also accepting that she was far from alone in that misstep. When Trump took the nomination the Hillary campaign should have taken a hard look at where his support was coming from and what was driving them. They needed to build a campaign around more than simply pointing out that Trump was a dangerous ignoramus and instead recognize that he had a core emotional appeal to a lot of very angry voters.
She ran a bad campaign at the worst possible time. She has to bear responsibility for that and if a pollster asked me today if I had a favorable view of her I would likely answer "no."
Slackerish
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So you went from being with her on day one to a Hillary hater? Seems to me that's a big jump.
Maiden Voyage
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I don't particularly like Clinton but I loathe Trump.
legacyzero
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Hitting the campaign trail, especially in the districts where she did especially well.
Assumption- also fundraising, etc
"Hater"? Wow, you really floored the gas on that one. If I hated Hillary, I would have voted Stein or even Trump if I hated her that much.
I don't prefer her. But I voted for her.
Y'all gotta stop with this binary bullshit. Not everyone's support is either or.
QuantumBro
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Yikes, Hillary must really be hurting if she has to use Canadians to defend her on her fifth most popular referral site.
Usurping the Iron Throne and launching an assault on the DNC to undermine 'everything' apparently going by this thread. I hear the Regan's dead corpse might be running in 2018 for a midterm seat too, but I haven't heard anything outright denying it so.... I'm just saying he might. Is the level of nonsense going on with some of these posts.
Anyone surprised by past candidates fundraising for the party in future elections, I'm not sure what to make of you.
Doctoglethorpe
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Fuck her and the party. She should have easily won, she would have won, but ironically that very arrogance made her lose. Us plebs are allowed to be arrogant, as long as we still vote, but her job was to assume the worst and make fucking sure that arrogance was justified. She didn't, and it bit her in the ass, and now we all suffer for it.
excelsiorlef
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Her slogan was actually Stronger Together
jack_package_200
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Plenty of forecasts were calling a Hillary Clinton electoral landslide right up to the election, and every one that I saw were calling for a Clinton win. That's not revisionist.
http://www.270towin.com/2016-election-forecast-predictions/
Trump should have been an easy candidate to defeat. Sky-high negatives, constant gaffes, zero experience, etc. etc. It was a monumental choke job that Hillary Clinton pulled.
ZeroCypher
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This will boost Trump's ego
excelsiorlef
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So completely logical and inoffensive ways to help... and you're freaking out why?
Slackerish
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wild wild rice
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He will be satiated for a split second and then go back to ranting and attempting to prove there was voter fraud, etc.
King Tubby
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I don't like her for losing to Trump. I still would rather she be president than him of course, but I could probably say the same for the next random stranger I see walking down the street.
LouisaFerre
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As someone who's probably a pretty radical, Neoliberalism-hating leftist, I just find this really fuckin disappointing. You can be aware of how a candidate might have weak points, and you can be critical of those, but...come the fuck on.
Ah, I understand every post of yours in this thread now. They did seem a bit odd but context always helps.
BrutishMrFish
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I could believe it. I first learned about Bernie by going to one of his rallies and thought he was amazing, but now I can't stand him.
UnemployedVillain
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Apparently being alive and responding to call outs on twitter
diablos991
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If I was a democratic candidate I wouldn't let her anywhere near my campaign.
I only with the DNC would distance themselves as well.
Hopefully Clinton's unlikeability doesn't cause too much harm the progression of democratic ideals.
I only with the DNC would distance themselves as well.
Hopefully Clinton's unlikeability doesn't cause too much harm the progression of democratic ideals.
legacyzero
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But people are still confused as to why she's so unpopular.
And it ain't just The Right. Right now the specturm feels like there's a far left and far right, and everyone in the middle is made to feel like absolute shit for not being in either camp. We got what we deserved IMO.
Cute, but you moved the goal post out of the stadium. I'm certainly a hater NOW that the party is in goddamn ruin. Yeah, I'll own that. But I supported Hillary during the GE, even to my skeptical friends who felt just like I did. Because she's just better than Trump. Clearly.
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