OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
I am excited we have a new ST series.
Bring it. ^_^
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Star Trek Discovery - official trailer in OP, 15 episodes ordered, premieres 9/24
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I am excited we have a new ST series.
Bring it. ^_^
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
But who wants to bet it'll only last a season because it's an CBS paywall exclusive?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Literally everything about this show's aesthetic is Kelvinverse.
even its marketing.
even its marketing.
It will get at least two. Well one might be shortened.
Though I'm hoping for the best. But I kind of agree, I don't know anybody that plans on subscribing that isn't already big trekkies.
I bet the Netflix international deal keeps it alive even if it is a complete boondoggle in the US for years.
whyamihere
Banned
This fan base!
All of the worst aspects of Enterprise were trying to do exactly what you were hoping they'd do. Stuff like the Augment Virus was dumb dumb dumb. Who cares?
Multi episode arcs about why Klingons didn't have bumpy heads in TOS was part of why Enterprise failed.
Only the hardest of the hardcore care about minor canon explanations. Enterprise doubled down on it.
There is a reason the Kelvinverse Trek movies all did better than any of the TNG ones.
Living and dying by canon is when becomes niche and fades away.
At this point they should just claim it is so the canonphobia types can calm down.
CloudyTuba
Member
I am excited we have a new ST series.
Bring it. ^_^
Hey, they changed the nacelles. That's nice.
whyamihere
Banned
That's just a Comic Con poster. Not the official key art that they're going with. I believe this is the real key art.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Continuity is a disease.
That I am struggling with on this show. I can't not trip over it.
Something tells me that it's basically intended to be that, they just don't have the rights to the films, so they're working with what they've got. Like wink-nod "it's the Prime Universe - but it's not really the Prime universe. You get me, right? Eh? Ehhhh???"
I am excited we have a new ST series.
Bring it. ^_^
Maybe the only thing dumber than always putting the bridge within easy firing range on top of the saucer is making a small inner saucer that's only attached to the outer ring by a number of small struts. I mean, wtf is up with these design decisions?
aHebrewMenagerie
Member
Looks like the saucer section has ring sections, ala the Vengence. Not sure what I think about that.
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
It's space. They have shields and stuff. ^_^
whyamihere
Banned
But literally Kurtzman says this.
I think you're reading too much into it tbh, even if you're bumping on it or disagree.
lastplayed
Member
Every ship would look like a Borg cube if you wanted no design flaws.
I always figured they were just rebooting the look of the series because no way in hell were they going to make a brand new show with the original look of the Original Series. Why some lose their shit in regard to this is something I will never understand. I would imagine events being kept were more important. Not what uniform was being worn. That and they want to explore that era more. Space is a big ass place and they should have the freedom to explore it in any era they choose.
t-storm
Member
Nice poster but good god that ship is fug.
I am excited we have a new ST series.
Bring it. ^_^
killertofu
Member
I am excited we have a new ST series.
Bring it. ^_^
Looks a little better than that shit from the intro video
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Kurtzman is full of shit, though.
Like, it's not a big deal, and it's not going to stop me from watching the show (the paywall's gonna do that), or even judging it negatively (the story/performances are going to be what's important there) but CBS is making a Kelvinverse show without having the rights to the Kelvinverse. That's all.
It's fine. Shit's all fictional regardless, it's not like a real history is being violated here.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
I'm a huge Trekkie and I'm not subscribing.
It was one of the best things, in concept not execution. It explained away a glaring inconsistency in the canon, which is great. If they totally gloss over why these Klingons have ridges it'll be a huge disservice. Canon is extremely important in Star Trek.
I really hope that these Klingon are the cousin race Fek'Ihri. The Neanderthal to the Human. It would be so damn interesting and help fill in a real historical account of what happened with Kahless.
You're fucking kidding, right? Those episodes along with most of series 4 of Enterprise are top-tier Trek.
The show failed because it didn't have enough of those in the first two series.
whyamihere
Banned
I mean, maybe. Or, you're wrong! It seems pretty close to established canon (and with characters from previously established canon!) to actually do what you think that it's going to do.
We shall see!
(I mean, it also depends on what you mean Kelvinverse. You mean a show that doesn't feel like it's set in the 80s/90s with a more modern aesthetic? Yeah, sure, maybe! One that throws canon to the wind? Nah. This also isn't the first reference to those involved with the show saying that they have canon police within the writers' room.)
It was aggressively awful and something that never needed to be brought up and is one of the stupidest retcons I can think of. Worf handles it beautifully in DS9. That was it. It needed nothing more.
Octavianus
Banned
Hahahaha yeah totally. Star Trek has always been a bastion of visual and story / lore consistency so now that they're totally deviating from a previously established thing for the very first time ever it may be necessary to declare the show an alternate universe.
The same series of tv shows and movies where ww 3 was at first supposed to take place in the 90's only for it to be retconed into taking place in the 21st century.
The same series that once mentioned ESP in humans only for it to never be mentioned again.
The same series that hadn't even concieved the concept of the Federation at first and simply called the enterprise an "earth ship".
The same series where the Enterprise (TOS) was exploring the other side of the galaxy only for them to later decide that the Federation was still only exploring the alpha quadrent at that time.
The same series where traveling through time (even boasting about breaking the 'time warp barrier' at one tim) was childsplay at first only to later suggest that it's actually a pretty difficult thing to do.
The same show where Trills first looked like this:
The same series where Klingons first looked like humans with fake beards and were later redesigned to look like KISS rejects with lumps on their heards
The same series where the tech from Enterprise thankfully looked far more advance than a lot of the stuff that was designed in the 60's.
The same series where the borg were first concieved to be a sinle hivemind without individuals interested in nothing other than tech and resources only to later be given a queen.
But nope. They changed the way the klingons look once again and that's just one step too far so this has to be an alternate universe.
Lets be honest here: you're the one who's full of shit.
Sad Affleck
Member
I love Star Trek and I don't mind aesthetical changes. I always thought there was no reason to explain the change in Klingon appearance from the 60s or why the ENT tech looked shinier than the TOS one. We're fans, not morons.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
The new ship design looks great imo. Look there are only so many ways you can make Star Trek design look unique while also retaining tradition, and I think they have found a balance here.
I am excited we have a new ST series.
Bring it. ^_^
It looks so stupid. All just so the secondary hull can look like the Starfleet insignia.
That's what I'm using as my head-canon. They clearly want it to be just like the movies.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
firehawk12
Subete no aware
They should have just made it a sequel to the movies rather than pretend it's part of the prime storyline.
Himynameischris
Member
Considering all the inconsistences I'm surprised at the backlash of the Klingons, I mean in TOS/TAS the Enterprise was leaving the Galaxy on a weekly basis.
All that ever needed to be said.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
TOS was Roddenberry still figuring things out. Inconsistencies in TOS aren't an excuse for inconsistencies in Trek today. We've had 25 seasons of television since TOS that have strived to adhere to canon or at least attempt to give in-universe explanations for inconsistencies.
Giving a production excuse is bullshit.
Also, TAS isn't canon.
Pagusas
Elden Member
I think they totally screwed up on it.
Himynameischris
Member
It's not like there aren't any between TNG/DS9/VOY,
Edit: And events from TAS are mentioned in DS9/Enterprise
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's not even technically a new design, right? It's heavily based on production artwork Ralph McQuarrie did back in the 70s for Phase II, I thought.
I mean - yeah, it kinda looks like a small plate stuck to a clotheshanger, but I don't think it looks bad or anything.
It's no Miranda class, but it's not rough to look at either.
Not like Voyager, which is one of the ugliest starships in sci-fi.
Himynameischris
Member
Voyager has grown on me since I've been watching so much of it...but the nacelles folding up/down for Warp is still stupid
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
It's to avoid damaging subspace like was examined in the one TNG episode. Voyager was an intermediate design, later ships fixed the issue without needing to angle the nacelles like that.
Also, TAS as a whole isn't canon. Roddenberry personally excised it. Writers have had the freedom to reference specific events in TAS to bring them into canon, but the show as a whole isn't canon.
The Shenzhou looks pretty good. Its clearly an older ship that looks like they took the NX design learned from it and made a new class. Discovery just comes across as so weird because its at a time where the Constitution Class etc. have entered service.
Now maybe it will be revealed Discovery is an older ship but so far that doesn't seem to be the case.
Now maybe it will be revealed Discovery is an older ship but so far that doesn't seem to be the case.
Himynameischris
Member
Yeah I know the reason, still looks stupid and my point still stands, the Enterprise in TOS left the galaxy a couple of times too, you don't even need TAS to bring up glaring inconsistences between shows
BrokenFiction
Member
Reliant is my favorite all time ship design.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Like I said, inconsistencies in TOS are one thing. It was the first show. Everything since TNG has tried to remaining consistent.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Not only that, but even when Roddenberry's influence was directly felt (which was actually less and less as the show went on - much of TOS's best stuff is due to the influence of Coon & Fontana more than anything) Roddenberry didn't really give much of a shit about continuity/canon, if I remember right. I thought I'd read in one of the multitude of books/interviews on the subject of Star Trek's early days that continuity used to just annoy him.
Yeah, I'm with you on that one.
So why not have them up all the time?
Stallion Dan
Member
All of it. Seems they just wanna use Trek name and loose references that they get wrong for a spaceship show. Kinda like the new movies.
They should have just gone to the 25th century or the late 23rd. The Constitution refit is still sexy and they had similarly vague uniforms too.
My problem with it is the show clearly doesn't know or care about when it's set. I mean I am totally fine with both Prime and Kelvin universes and I am not opposed to prequels, but this looks Kelvin, set in Prime, with a ship bearing no resemblance to the ships of the time. Enterprise exists in Disc, unless they are scrapping that.
I just do not get why they went with a damn prequel set in Prime but looking Kelvin. Inconsistencies are one thing, but when the entire visual style says one thing and the narrative says something completely different, you start to wonder if the folks helming this are feeling okay.
Don't even get me started on the Klingons. I know they've been altered many times and that isn't my issue, it's the iteration itself that bugs me.
My problem with it is the show clearly doesn't know or care about when it's set. I mean I am totally fine with both Prime and Kelvin universes and I am not opposed to prequels, but this looks Kelvin, set in Prime, with a ship bearing no resemblance to the ships of the time. Enterprise exists in Disc, unless they are scrapping that.
I just do not get why they went with a damn prequel set in Prime but looking Kelvin. Inconsistencies are one thing, but when the entire visual style says one thing and the narrative says something completely different, you start to wonder if the folks helming this are feeling okay.
Don't even get me started on the Klingons. I know they've been altered many times and that isn't my issue, it's the iteration itself that bugs me.
That's what aggravates me about all of this. It's basically just taking a sci-fi show and grafting Trek onto it because it's a name that sells. Ultimately if it's good, a lot more will be forgiven, but it doesn't set me up to be hopeful.
Mr. Luchador
Member
I'll watch with rose-tainted glasses and not care at all about any of the inconsistencies. I'll blindly tell people this is great, simply due to Star Trek being back on the telly. I will then cry and storm the internet after it's cancelled during its best season yet halfway through Season 2.
Royal_Flush
Member
I really don't get the mindset of you "That crap looks like Kelvinverse" people. Of course it does! Do you really think a bridge design like TNG would fly these days? That Romulans that look silly beyond believe now that nobody wears shoulder pads anymore could draw any non-Trekie crowd? It's just visuals. A vessel of delivering a concept. Now, if Klingons suddenly were peaceful, Gagh was vegan or the Discovery has trans-warp at its disposal, then I would join the bandwagon, because then they changed a concept and not just a visual. As long as you can't make out the difference without the visuals and the visuals themselves maintain certain key-elements (Klingons are dark-skinned with rifles on their forehead; Vulkans have pointy ears; Andorians are blue with antennas) this all is an entire non-issue imo.
That's just a Comic Con poster. Not the official key art that they're going with. I believe this is the real key art.
Is she Vulcan? That's really cool
I just watched Descent part 2 from TNG so I'm kind of in "bleh, Star Trek" mode right now