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So, is Dragon Ball Super any good?

RCU005

RCU005

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Have you noticed that they don't get clothes ripped off anymore? Remember how, when everyone got beat, they got their clothes torn? And when Goku increased his power the shirt would rip in pieces?Now, in Super they don't even bleed, but also they don't even get dirty.

I really miss 80's animations in DB (and actually every show). It was more brutal, and much better. Actually, what happened with cartoons in general? Every single new or re-released cartoon seems like it has been drawn in paint by teen crackhead on LCD.

With that said, I think DB Super is good. I don't look for every pot hole, and am not evaluating every power up that Goku gets, like many others, but for me, I tune in, and enjoy the show. I just wish this show last for a long time and that they indeed go past EoZ.
 
Boss Doggie

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Lights and Waves said:
DBZ ran for 7 years and has 291 episodes.
DBS has been on for a year and already has 99 episodes...

Why do I feel like this is going to become a Simpsons/Pokemon situation in which the show literally never ends
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Japanese animation (and shows) tend to always air weekly unless there's a holiday or break stated unlike America which always have "batches" of episode per year/month.

Raging Spaniard said:
Yep, they took some of his naive qualities and made them 10x worse. In the Cell arc he came up with a plan, was patient and executed it even knowing that he wouldnt be the star player and that it would put his son at risk. In the Buu saga he develops this train of thought further by finding ways for the young kids to be the ones who protect the Earth, trying to train and empower the next generation.

In Super he just acts like a concussed idiot who doesnt have any initiative to do anything for anyone. He acts like a dumb child without any of the nuanced maturity he developed earlier in the series. Every character suffers from this, Videl lost ALL of her personality and is the sort of character she herself would have hated earlier in the series.
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Yeah it's weird, like the back of your head you are thinking someone from Toei watched DBZAbridged lol
 
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Galang

Banned
The series has always been best when it's not heavily focused on Goku and to a lesser extent Vegeta imo. As a result I've been enjoying it a lot more lately. The first two arcs are meh, but where it's at now is really good so far. Love majority of the new blood introduced too
 
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Sephzilla

Member
Yeah I've noticed that everyone tends to get less scraped up, pretty much never bloodied up, and clothing damage doesn't happen much anymore either. That did take away from the Black/Zamasu battles a bit
 
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andymcc

Banned
AlimNassor said:
How is having a skinned Cat lazy as opposed to another muscle bound alien? Dude, c'mon your opinion is blatantly wrong. People wanted the new SSJ to look like something out of deviant art.
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Beerus is like the most DB-like villain/character since the original DB.
 
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Raging Spaniard

If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Sephzilla said:
The animation at the start of Super was pretty rough but yeah people have nostalgia goggles about DBZ's animation - it got pretty rough at times also
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DBZ at the very least had some of the best fight choreography of all time thanks to the manga. 90% of the fights in Super are a snooze fest without any thought put into them, its just straightforward punches and ki blasts that do nothing yet characters act dumbfounded every time.

Good choreography with bad animation can still be exciting, but when both things are bad then you get a shitshow
 
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AlimNassor

Banned
Raging Spaniard said:
Yep, they took some of his naive qualities and made them 10x worse. In the Cell arc he came up with a plan, was patient and executed it even knowing that he wouldnt be the star player and that it would put his son at risk. In the Buu saga he develops this train of thought further by finding ways for the young kids to be the ones who protect the Earth, trying to train and empower the next generation.

In Super he just acts like a concussed idiot who doesnt have any initiative to do anything for anyone. He acts like a dumb child without any of the nuanced maturity he developed earlier in the series. Every character suffers from this, Videl lost ALL of her personality and is the sort of character she herself would have hated earlier in the series.
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Thats how he always is. jesus christ, the anime turned Goku into a noble hero when he was never one to begin with. Goku cares about fighting thats it. People demand Goku to be this noble all loving hero.

Videl was never a major character, ever. She was always a minor 1 note character. Why o people obsess over her?
 
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Hydrus

Member
It started off crappy, but has gotten really good. It has a completely different tone than DBZ. DBZ always had a threat, always something the characters had to fight and die for. Super is laid back, fun and light hearted. The black arc was a bit of a serious arc, but it only really affected Future Trunks world. There is lots of GREAT new characters.

The animation was my biggest issue with the show, but it has gotten waaaaaaay better. The other issue I had was that fights were very short, like way too short for the DB franchise. A fight in the OG dragon ball or DBZ could last a few episodes and would literally be like 20 - 30 minutes of straight fighting. Super fights can be like 2- 3 minutes. The Vegito fight was like literally a few minutes long. But just like the animation, it's improving. The newest arc is getting really good. Also I hate what they have done to Goku's personality. Easily one of the worst things on the show.
 
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Sephzilla

Member
Raging Spaniard said:
Yep, they took some of his naive qualities and made them 10x worse. In the Cell arc he came up with a plan, was patient and executed it even knowing that he wouldnt be the star player and that it would put his son at risk. In the Buu saga he develops this train of thought further by finding ways for the young kids to be the ones who protect the Earth, trying to train and empower the next generation.

In Super he just acts like a concussed idiot who doesnt have any initiative to do anything for anyone. He acts like a dumb child without any of the nuanced maturity he developed earlier in the series. Every character suffers from this, Videl lost ALL of her personality and is the sort of character she herself would have hated earlier in the series.
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You cite the Cell Saga but forget that Goku gave Cell a sensu bean for fucking shits and giggles before telling his son to go out there and fight him. Goku has always been a bit of an idiot
 
Boss Doggie

Boss Doggie

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Lights and Waves said:
Frieza, Cell, Broly and Majin Buu say hi.
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None of them gave DB vibes though.

Like, besides Pilaf, you got mystic shit like that devil whose attack could pretty much kill any DBZ villain but his design is hilarious. I guess the next is Buu, but definitely not Freeza and Cell, and especially not Broly.
 
Boss Doggie

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Sephzilla said:
You cite the Cell Saga but forget that Goku gave Cell a sensu bean for fucking shits and giggles before telling his son to go out there and fight him. Goku has always been a bit of an idiot
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He wants it for Gohan. He may be dumb, but he knew what he was betting on.
 
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Raging Spaniard

If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
AlimNassor said:
Thats how he always is. jesus christ, the anime turned Goku into a noble hero when he was never one to begin with. Goku cares about fighting thats it. People demand Goku to be this noble all loving hero.

Videl was never a major character, ever. She was always a minor 1 note character. Why o people obsess over her?
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Lol, I re-read the entire manga last year, my opinion is based on the source material.

Sephzilla said:
You cite the Cell Saga but forget that Goku gave Cell a sensu bean for fucking shits and giggles before telling his son to go out there and fight him. Goku has always been a bit of an idiot
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Bit of an idiot is fine! The issue is him being like that 100% of the time now
 
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sibarraz

Banned
Sephzilla said:
You cite the Cell Saga but forget that Goku gave Cell a sensu bean for fucking shits and giggles before telling his son to go out there and fight him. Goku has always been a bit of an idiot
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Don't forget giving freezer some energy to escape and being betrayed instantly.

The fact is, Goku act like a concused idiot because he IS a concused idiot, the strike to his head as a child and all this years of intense fights must have some kind of consecuence towards his brain, more if we consider that he is also an old man, expecting him to act smart is really naive, he only does that when he is at extreme risk, when he acts as the smartest person in the world
 
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Sephzilla

Member
Raging Spaniard said:
Bit of an idiot is fine! The issue is him being like that 100% of the time now
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I dunno, Goku over the course of Z makes a nice list of really stupid shit. He lucks out of bad decisions a lot
  • Letting go of Raditz's tail when it was obviously a ruse
  • Letting Vegeta live and escape. Goku lucked out that Vegeta slowly turned good after that.
  • Lets Frieza power up to 100% just to feed his own Saiyan ego
  • Giving Frieza energy to live/escape only to be betrayed immediately
  • Forgets to take his heart disease medicine
  • Gives Cell a Sensu Bean
  • Doesn't destroy Fat Buu because he wants the kids to take over hero duties
Goku in DB Super is fairly in character. Dude makes a lot of dumb decisions that he gets away with and doesn't really get called out on. They've maybe pushed his stupidity to a little bit of an extreme, but there's more than enough grounds to say that Goku was always stupid.
 
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AyaisMUsikWhore

Member
I LOVE IT! Call me a super DB fan or whatever but I love this a lot. Not more than Z because it was extremely iconic in conflict but Super feels more laxs and doesn't take itself so seriously. I love the jokes here and there and the trickle of new threats coming in and out of the show. My main concern though still resides in the fact that the show has taken itself so high, I can't see how they can continue until a wall is hit. Imo, it's moving too quickly and I do feel like some new villains are going to be lame after a while. I'm in the Goku Black arc now and it's okay....But I hope it gets better. I would say watch it and feel that out for yourself.
 
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Jeb

Member
AlimNassor said:
How is having a skinned Cat lazy as opposed to another muscle bound alien? Dude, c'mon your opinion is blatantly wrong. People wanted the new SSJ to look like something out of deviant art.
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He just looks stupid, plain and simple, his design is not at all interesting nor is he intimidating, I know dragon ball villains don't always fit that description, but this one in particular is off, Zeno( or was it Zemo?) is worse, its just an oval head.

And whats the point of a new transformation if he just looked like his hair is just dyed? your supposed to make me feel like there is a difference and I just dont buy it.
And dont get me started on the name, Super Siayan God Super Saiyan? who writes this shit?
 
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vertopci

Member
The Future Trunks arc is one of the most fun arcs in DB.

On the other hand, the return of frieza arc is one of the most boring arcs ever...
 
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andymcc

Banned
Jeb said:
He just looks stupid, plain and simple, his design is not at all interesting nor is he intimidating, I know dragon ball villains don't always fit that description, but this one in particular is off, Zeno( or was it Zemo?) is worse, its just an oval head.

And whats the point of a new transformation if he just looked like his hair is just dyed? your supposed to make me feel like there is a difference and I just dont buy it.
And dont get me started on the name, Super Siayan God Super Saiyan? who writes this shit?
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How did the cute pink blob, Majin Boo, make you feel? It's about juxtaposition of appearance to strength. You're supposed to laugh at the absurdity of the god of destruction looking how he does. Dragon Ball is firmly rooted in gag manga. Always has been.
 
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Dynasty

Member
Forget about power scaling and get through like the first 2 arcs(which you dont really have to watch if you have seen the movies) and yh it is fun too watch.
 
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AlimNassor

Banned
Jeb said:
He just looks stupid, plain and simple, his design is not at all interesting nor is he intimidating, I know dragon ball villains don't always fit that description, but this one in particular is off, Zeno( or was it Zemo?) is worse, its just an oval head.

And whats the point of a new transformation if he just looked like his hair is just dyed? your supposed to make me feel like there is a difference and I just dont buy it.
And dont get me started on the name, Super Siayan God Super Saiyan? who writes this shit?
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Lol, then what is? Beerus has excellent character design. I guess you want him to be a buff human=-alien like Cell? Did you also say Freeza was lame? What was the difference between SS2 and 3 aside form his hair getting longer?
 
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hydragonwarrior

Member
Discard the concept of power levels, be chill with some horrendous animation at least 75% of the time and you're golden
frieza

I like the plotlines and some of the battles that have happened so it's worth it for that alone if you've been a fan of DB for a while
 
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Boke1879

Member
Yea it's good. I like it a lot. First two arcs are just retelling of movies though.

But once you get to the first tournament it's really good. The this and the last arc and have been pretty damn good.
 
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Swarna

Member
Fun to watch especially if you're nostalgic.

Crumbles under any level of scrutiny or critical thinking. It's a bad TV show by any metric. Just turn your brain off and embrace the bad fan fiction. Goes without saying but if you weren't that into DBZ to begin with you shouldn't watch it.
 
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Kyzer

Banned
If youre a big enough fan of dragon ball to look past the fact that its kinda like a bad fan fiction sometimes, then yeah its great. Crazy dbz power level shit taken to the max with dragon ball antics, so its like gods that make majin buu seem weak fighting over pudding and stuff. Thats the best part, honestly. The stuff like new forms and power levels, and sometimes story solutions are just hilariously bad. Its kinda more like a modern anime in the regards that theres twists and turns per episode but they also pull a lot of shounen heart of the cards bullshit too
 
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UpDownLeftRight

Banned
Sephzilla said:
I dunno, Goku over the course of Z makes a nice list of really stupid shit. He lucks out of bad decisions a lot
  • Letting go of Raditz's tail when it was obviously a ruse
  • Letting Vegeta live and escape. Goku lucked out that Vegeta slowly turned good after that.
  • Lets Frieza power up to 100% just to feed his own Saiyan ego
  • Giving Frieza energy to live/escape only to be betrayed immediately
  • Forgets to take his heart disease medicine
  • Gives Cell a Sensu Bean
  • Doesn't destroy Fat Buu because he wants the kids to take over hero duties
Goku in DB Super is fairly in character. Dude makes a lot of dumb decisions that he gets away with and doesn't really get called out on. They've maybe pushed his stupidity to a little bit of an extreme, but there's more than enough grounds to say that Goku was always stupid.
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To be fair you only even need look at TeamFourStar to realise what a damn idiot Goku was in Z. There's so much source material they don't even need to stretch a fair bit of it.

If a less stupid Goku is just one standing around trying to act like some badass giving the enemy cheeky smirks for half an hour a week they can keep it. I was already sick of that shit in Z
 
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Khezu

Member
It started off terrible and eventually got to a state of being inoffensively bland.

Only one part has gotten me legit exciting for the series, but then they shit the bed so hard it kinda ruined the entire arc for me.

Watch it if you are absolutely craving to see more Dragon Ball content.
If not, don't bother IMO.
 
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Messofanego

Banned
RCU005 said:
Have you noticed that they don't get clothes ripped off anymore? Remember how, when everyone got beat, they got their clothes torn? And when Goku increased his power the shirt would rip in pieces?Now, in Super they don't even bleed, but also they don't even get dirty.

I really miss 80's animations in DB (and actually every show). It was more brutal, and much better. Actually, what happened with cartoons in general? Every single new or re-released cartoon seems like it has been drawn in paint by teen crackhead on LCD.

With that said, I think DB Super is good. I don't look for every pot hole, and am not evaluating every power up that Goku gets, like many others, but for me, I tune in, and enjoy the show. I just wish this show last for a long time and that they indeed go past EoZ.
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Raging Spaniard said:
DBZ at the very least had some of the best fight choreography of all time thanks to the manga. 90% of the fights in Super are a snooze fest without any thought put into them, its just straightforward punches and ki blasts that do nothing yet characters act dumbfounded every time.

Good choreography with bad animation can still be exciting, but when both things are bad then you get a shitshow
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If the fights and violence are not to the level of DBZ, I don't see any reason to watch this. Thanks for helping me to avoid Super!
 
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ArchedThunder

Banned
Jeb said:
He just looks stupid, plain and simple, his design is not at all interesting nor is he intimidating, I know dragon ball villains don't always fit that description, but this one in particular is off, Zeno( or was it Zemo?) is worse, its just an oval head.

And whats the point of a new transformation if he just looked like his hair is just dyed? your supposed to make me feel like there is a difference and I just dont buy it.
And dont get me started on the name, Super Siayan God Super Saiyan? who writes this shit?
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That's your opinion, I personally think Beerus is an awesome design, and he can be plenty intimidating when he needs to be.
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He's also not a villain, he was an antagonist for a little bit, but never a villain.
Zeno is also not a villain, or even an antagonist, the point of Zeno is to be a juxtaposition of a young child with infinite power that doesn't care about anyone's lives.

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is never said in the show, the name for the form has been Super Saiyan Blue for a year and a half. Toriyama was tired of transformations getting more complicated, so he wanted new ones to be simple, Super Saiyan Blue is just Super Saiyan infused with God Ki, so the hair is the same shape as Super Saiyan, it's not supposed to be a big difference and the series is even self aware about the fact that it's a Super Saiyan recolor.
 
MiguelMexMIstery

MiguelMexMIstery

Member
I was wary at first but it's better than I expected! I would recommend you to watch it. It's definitely more funny than Z imo. Beerus and Whis are amazing additions to the Z cast, and the current arc is pretty hype.
 
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HazySaiyan

Banned
Sephzilla said:
I dunno, Goku over the course of Z makes a nice list of really stupid shit. He lucks out of bad decisions a lot
  • Letting go of Raditz's tail when it was obviously a ruse
  • Letting Vegeta live and escape. Goku lucked out that Vegeta slowly turned good after that.
    [*]Lets Frieza power up to 100% just to feed his own Saiyan ego
  • Giving Frieza energy to live/escape only to be betrayed immediately
  • Forgets to take his heart disease medicine
  • Gives Cell a Sensu Bean
  • Doesn't destroy Fat Buu because he wants the kids to take over hero duties
Goku in DB Super is fairly in character. Dude makes a lot of dumb decisions that he gets away with and doesn't really get called out on. They've maybe pushed his stupidity to a little bit of an extreme, but there's more than enough grounds to say that Goku was always stupid.
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Frieza never really stood a chance, even at full power. I'd let Goku off with that one
 
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Gin-Shiio

Member
In regards to the Goku Black arc, I definitely feel it gets a lot of praise of which a lot is undeserved. Action gets broken up constantly, locales are the same throughout and the resolution of the arc leaves a lot to be desired. It's definitely in the upper echelon of DBS, but that's not difficult when BOG, ROF and even UNI6 were less than stellar to boot. I watch the show too, but TOP so far is the only arc that's doing something interesting well, and even then we don't yet know how it will play out. Last episode's end was pretty darn silly, so jury's out on that one.
 
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AdanVC

Member
The current arc is hype af. It totally makes me feel like a kid again that looked forward to watch DBZ everyday! But Super has some issues though, sometimes it drags way too long and the animation and aesthetics is bad 70% of the time. DBGT excels Super on that aspect easily. DBGT can be lame story wise but it has some of the best animation and aesthetics in the DB franchise IMHO.
 
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The highlight fights in Super are straight up better than DBZ, maybe some recency bias in that statement but I fucking love how Super has plenty of 2 vs 2 battles. Something sorely lacking in DBZ. I mean this shit right here was fucking epic.

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Pure hype.

And theres endless possibilities for more of this during the current arc. Loving the show.
 
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Chris R

Member
It's pretty good when it's good, but there is still a lot of filler. Filler wouldn't be so bad if CN were airing more than one episode a week :\
 
Davey Cakes

Davey Cakes

Member
I watched the BoG and RoF movies, dubbed, and then jumped into the Universe 6 arc on Crunchyroll.

Currently in the Goku Black arc and I'm kind of disappointed by it for some reason. The premise is alright and I actually like Zamasu but I don't know. It kind of undermines Future Trunks' resolution in the Cell saga, if even just slightly. Maybe I overhyped myself, thinking this arc would be more interesting and satisfying.

That said, I think DBS is a fun, laid back show. It's not as intense as DBZ which hurts it for me, but it's not horrible.
 
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Nepenthe

Member
Goku has never been as utterly fucking stupid as he is in Super and y'all know it. I've already mentioned that he's biologically beholden to his Saiyan heritage and will do reckless things, but they're reckless in the service of either greater strategy or his belief in the human qualities of even bad people, which plays nicely in terms of theme regarding how he turned out despite coming from the same asshole race Vegeta and Raditz did that is honestly better having been all but wiped out. This isn't lawful good heroism, and it can be frustrating from a rational point of view (Raditz' tail) but it makes for a really interesting character profile nonetheless.

In Super's first episode, he doesn't know which number is bigger- 100,000 or 10,000,000. He can't keep up with simple conversations. He has no idea when he's being genuinely annoying or too talkative, particularly in Beerus' presence. If there's any scene where he can trip over his own feet or otherwise fall, he's going to do so because I guess being a god at this point doesn't mean shit for coordination. Like, he's not naive or understandably reckless in Super. He is downright fucking remedial. Trying to equate this level of stupidity with his character in Kai is disingenuous.

It's similar to what they did to Daffy in The Looney Tunes Show, just without the actual sociopathy and bullying behavior.
 
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