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So, is Dragon Ball Super any good?
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CrackPebbles
Member
I really enjoy it. It's had a pretty different tone from Z up until recently though and I think the lightheartedness can turn off some people.
WaterAstro
Member
I didn't even bother after watching that Frieza god whatever movie. The blue whatever transformation sounds like a dumb premise.
I'll just rewatch the Cell saga.
I'll just rewatch the Cell saga.
The Artisan
Member
i love dragon ball z, i do not care for dragon ball super at all
Yes you can. Remove the standing still stuff and you still have 30 plus minutes of pure fighting. Super's fights are over an instant. It's depressing.
Work of an Enemy Stand
Member
*Meant to post this in the OT, my bad*
This comment was so true several months ago. It's absolutely fantastic nowadays though.
Lifejumper
Member
Has been decent since goku vs hit tbh.
It's the Dragonball we wanted for 20 years since the ending of GT? No
Do we have any better option to enjoy Dragonball in the anime form? No
So take Super for what it is, if you consider yourself a Dragonball fan than there's no way you should skip it, it has some cool moments and ideas but it feels a bit unfocused as for right now.
Do we have any better option to enjoy Dragonball in the anime form? No
So take Super for what it is, if you consider yourself a Dragonball fan than there's no way you should skip it, it has some cool moments and ideas but it feels a bit unfocused as for right now.
What did we want exactly?
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Super is giving me everything my DB-depraved body has been needing for quite some time. A long time. The longest of time.
Was blue Goku your idea as his next transformation? Golden Freeza the next villain? Dragonballs big as planets?
Super feels really fanfiction on that aspect, getting ideas from DB multiverse and the Toyotaro manga.
A lot of Super sagas feel unfocused and the ending is always somehow not memorable. The tournament between 6 and 7 felt like a filler since as for right now(episode 100) it had no real weight to the whole show, just introduced some new characters that haven't been used in any way yet(maybe just Cabba acting as a teacher to the new females of u6). The Zamasu arc started stellar and it went down since his identity was revealed. Them going back and forth 2-3 times didn't help either and it had the worst ending in all of DB in my opinion.
Thats why I see it as a way to please DB fans after a very long starvation.
I asked you what we wanted though, not whether Super has been alright or not. I mean, I dunno, it's not anyone really expected DBZ to make a comeback in 2015 after all this time. I know I sure as hell didn't. After all, it's not like it ended at a point where it was dying to be continued like say, Samurai Jack or something. At best, it's safe to say people wanted these three things at least from any potential new show imo:
- A show that's better than GT (In the beginning, this was dicey...)
- A female Super Saiyan
- Gohan being relevant again
Other than that, I mean, I can't say I really had any specific expectations tbh
It also has tons of great character moments for the entire cast something Z and GT were missing by the end. Vegeta, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo all got great moments from Super more than Z or GT ever gave them.
Stairouais
Member
I really do wonder why people keep bringing this. Is this because of the tournament thingy?
That's... just... not true at all...
Melfice7
Member
I somewhat agree to this, if you like DB, Super is good, if you prefer DBZ, Super is average
So what concept wouldn't feel like fanfiction? Because blue feels less fanfiction-y than SSJ4, a transformation that brings the ape forms back, even tough it has been stated that it holds back the Saiyans power
- A show that's better than GT (In the beginning, this was dicey...)
- A female Super Saiyan
- Gohan being relevant again
Other than that, I mean, I can't say I really had any specific expectations tbh[/QUOTE]
The comeback thing was just on Toriyamas' hands though since DB has always been popular, I mean with no anime and manga its sales on gamed dvd blueray and other things just crush the other series from Japan
.As for me just the classic formula is fine as long as its well executed but to realize that you have to create an enemy that has some sort or relations with the Z cast and the fight feels meaningful and has some weight to it.
Never saw the Gohan thing a problem tbh, he was revelant in all of Z, him taking a backseat was ok for me since it goes with the character(always hated fighting). I think that people asking for him appeared after the BOG/ROF movies thought since he was treated like a Yamcha lol.
But this isn't true though, they have gotten like 1 episode in super and Krilin got half episode of fight, in GT he was an oldman and in Z he had plenty of action, Piccolo fought till the android and acted as a teacher to the Kids during Buu, in GT saved Goku and assisted him in hell, while in super fought Frost and thats it. The " other characters are getting great moments" is a bit overrated as a concept imho but we will see with the tournament.
The ape form was a great multiplier but it hold back the Saiyans in the sense that the weaker one couldn't control it and only the elite know how to recreate that moon thing(+ the size and speed). When the supersaiyan was first shown he had the form of a golden ape, GT went back on that and made Goku go SSJ Ape which was basically his SSJ3 form with the Ape multiplier, after seeing Pan cry he was able to control it and channel the energy in his normal body to become a ssj4. Its a tribute to early Z not much of a retcone/fanfic (in that sense every form after the first super saiyan is a retcone)
Sony
Nintendo
Wait, so you're telling me that a a Saiyan transformation leading to a feral form that has the power but not the drawbacks of a great ape is less plausible/ logical than a Saiyan tapping into the power of a God and becoming a Super Saiyan version of a Super Saiyan that mastered control of God Ki? Are you serious?
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Kind of annoying when it had to repeat the movies. Then the tournament arc was really good I thought especially goku vs hit which had an epic moment that reminded me of old dbz feelings when I watched it
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Hmmm I love both for different reasons but really enjoy super once it got past the movies (just because it was repetitive). I do love the original DB more though partially because it had that lighthearted feel and an inspiring "I love the challenge!" Goku
Superficially you could probably say Super leans into comedy a bit more than Z did, and with two tournaments in three arcs it sort of resembles Dragon Ball more than Z.
I think that kind of comparison loses a lot of nuance, though. Super is Super, and nothing else in Dragon Ball is quite like it.
Yeah its more comedic than most of Z was (Which i consider to be a good thing overall) but i would not say its similar to original Dragon Ball they feel very different. Super mostly feels like its own thing for the most part. If it does resemble anything its the Buu arc.
Dragon Ball isn't just one thing either.
Compare the original arc of the show to King Piccolo and they're basically different shows within a show. It's the difference between a semi-perverted road trip comedy and a superhero kid needing to save the world from a demon who enslaves it.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I fucking love DB and this post is a lie. I think Super is mediocre.
Prime crotch
Banned
It's been alright. They've done some effort in trying to make fights interesting again, but it's a far cry DB or when the big moments from DBZ. The best part has been focusing on Goku as a dubious hero character.
RocknRola
Member
From which 20 to 15 minutes are just repeated scenes over and over
Sorry, but Z in particular abused this like crazy. I think it's because they didn't do as much filler as other shows (Naruto, for example, made it a damn art form in terms of squeezing the series for all it was worth), so they had to buy time in some way but they repeated a loooot of animations from each previous episode.
There is a reason Kai (including the Buu Saga) is a lot shorter.
It no where as good as DB, I'm which fight has come close to the roshi fight.
TBH I would've loved it if they would of remade a bit of GT. Maybe start off with the baby arc ( Goku doesn't become a damn child!) then have that lead to Beerus arc. Then Black arc, followed by tournament of power. Then finally end it with the dragon saga. Drop SSG and SSB and stick with SS4.
Wendel Clark
Member
watch it if you like fanfics and wasting time
Astral Dog
Member
What the. Not every new character has to be around to be part of the main cast. Neither the other universe gods or characters. U6 fighters are liked and have been developed a bit. Hit alone got a two part episode Frost has been doing stuff since the tournament and Cabba found two new Saiyans for the power tournament.hell we even got
Bota Magetta
Agree the Zamasu arc was quite self contained but still fleshed out how an evil Kai thinks and Zeno.
Frieza returning isn't bad if you take the last episodes into account
I don't think anyone is saying either is better than the other. Just pointing out how the tone of Super reflects more towards DB than Z.
Partially yes, but mostly due to the comedy and lightheartedness of the show.
Besides the Trunks arc and somewhat of the current arc, you don't really get a sense urgency and get the whole "everyone is in danger" feel like you got from the Cell arc.
Surprisingly accurate. I think this is solid advice.
This a slippery slope that's applicable to a lot of things, just Saiyan
RocknRola
Member
Surprisingly inaccurate. I think this is unstable advice.
Two can play at that game, kitty!
So 2 out of 3 original sagas...
Was having a tournament just for fun like in the early DB days really ruined teh steaks that much?
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Wow there's a new Saiyan character in DB Super
He looks cool
Wow there's a new Saiyan character in DB Super
He looks cool
Are we really going to act like this is the first time a Goku shot is off-model?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
to be fair the tournament in DB were placed well that they don't really interfere with the "stakes"
Wow there's a new Saiyan character in DB Super
He looks cool
Someone post that picture from the cell arc
