Honestly under Republican rule we're about 2-3 years from that anyway.
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Trump ponders Rudy Giuliani for attorney general
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Honestly under Republican rule we're about 2-3 years from that anyway.
Why would Guiliani take the position? Despite being a part of the campaign, he's flown under the radar for the most part of this Presidency. He takes the job, he's back in the spotlight. Especially since he'd almost certainly have to recuse himself, due to his involvement in the campaign.
It'd be brought up during his confirmation hearings. And if he'd try and say "I don't have to recuse! Fake News!", he'd probably make an enemy of himself of the intel folks leaking all this shit in the first place. And unlike Trump, and like Sessions, he at least seems to have some understanding of when not to kick the beehive.
It'd be brought up during his confirmation hearings. And if he'd try and say "I don't have to recuse! Fake News!", he'd probably make an enemy of himself of the intel folks leaking all this shit in the first place. And unlike Trump, and like Sessions, he at least seems to have some understanding of when not to kick the beehive.
BronsonLee
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Sessions: I'm resigning to spend more time with my family
White House: We had him resign so we can have our interests aligned more with the new Attorney General's
Trump: I punched that stupid elf in the face
Autodidact
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Pretty sure he would've nominated Rudy in January if he thought he could've been confirmed.
KernelPanic
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He thinks Sessions isn't loyal enough. He gave him the AG position and he expected him to shield him from FBI investigation.
He will have Sessions write a letter as to why he should be fired and use that.
BronsonLee
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Is Trump trying to ease Sessions into resigning again and Sessions is too stupid to notice or what
The author goes on to mention stop and frisk like Republicans see harassment of minority youths as a bad thing
Bolivar687
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Thank you very much for your efforts Mr. Mueller but your services are no longer needed.
The racism is blinding Sessions.
Dubbedinenglish
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An old timer southern racist for an old timer northern one.
Pop-O-Matic
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Trump doesn't want to fire anyone because of how bad it'd look. He'd convince him to resign instead.
TheCochese
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Smart play by him then, put more bad pub on Trump.
Or maybe he's too distracted trying to do a racist.
It is learning.
RPGCrazied
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But fired Comey? Sorry that ship has sailed. He already looks bad.
StarCreator
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Well, in that case, the best scenario would be if Sessions were fired but attempts to replace him get held up in the Senate oh who am I kidding they'll roll over and beg for treats like usual
maybe there's a sweet, sweet severance package waiting for sessions if he's fired
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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KernelPanic
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At this point it's better if Sessions stays and Rosenstein having autonomy.
Giuliani was part of the campaign, they'd easily have a case he should recuse himself as well. Whether he would is another story.
Sessions is technically recused because he was part of the campaign and the investigation involves the campaign. Nothing to do with Russia.
Giuliani was part of the campaign, they'd easily have a case he should recuse himself as well. Whether he would is another story.
Sessions is technically recused because he was part of the campaign and the investigation involves the campaign. Nothing to do with Russia.
Pop-O-Matic
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Comey's the reason why he's not firing anyone else.
gutter_trash
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that's illegal though
Anyone he nominates will be confirmed
MagnaderAlpha
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What's with Trump and his fixation with hiring fantasy creatures in his cabinet? First, we have a Keebler Elf as AG, who's likely going to be canned for Nosferatu.
I'm also pretty sure I fought Steve Bannon recently in Persona 5.
Trump's presidency is literally shattering the fabric of reality.
I'm also pretty sure I fought Steve Bannon recently in Persona 5.
Trump's presidency is literally shattering the fabric of reality.
Good luck with that. He'll need to drag Sessions from his desk with his own hands.
Yeah, fuck Giuliani. He's a fucking racist. Of course, Sessions is a racist too. I doubt that Trump will appoint an AG who isn't.
If Sessions or Rosenstein don't do it...who will?? Assuming Trump sticks with these two?
I remember hearing that Trump could repeal certain rules that would allow him too. I think he'd only be hesitant about that because it puts all the onus on him instead of throwing an attorney general down the bus.
Remember that Sessions also recused himself from any Clinton investigation. Trump clearly wants investigations re-opened into Clinton so he can point to them and distract; he's already trying that without them.
So, yes, he wants revenge on Sessions for recusing and not protecting him from investigation, which was the quid pro quo for being given the job; yes, he wants to fire Mueller and Sessions can't do it. However, he also wants new bullshit Clinton investigations and he needs a new AG for that too.
Giuliani is one of the few craven and evil enough to fire Mueller, open new investigations into Clinton and abuse the office to protect Trump from scrutiny, all while continuing all the systematic racism, of course.
So, yes, he wants revenge on Sessions for recusing and not protecting him from investigation, which was the quid pro quo for being given the job; yes, he wants to fire Mueller and Sessions can't do it. However, he also wants new bullshit Clinton investigations and he needs a new AG for that too.
Giuliani is one of the few craven and evil enough to fire Mueller, open new investigations into Clinton and abuse the office to protect Trump from scrutiny, all while continuing all the systematic racism, of course.
benicillin
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Is that actually true or is this something that's just been assumed and made up because it makes us feel better?
Because as far as I can tell Sessions has barely recused himself from anything. I'm not sure what recusing himself actually means apart from he promises not to get involved?
KernelPanic
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Firing Mueller will go as well as the Saturday Night Massacre did for Nixon.
Limiting the scope of the investigation and throwing some low level cronies under the bus would have the most legit way Trump could get away from Mueller investigation.
Firing people will only escalate this further and not in his favor.
Giuliani would have to recuse himself too. He was part of the campaign.
Honestly, sounds like Guilliani isn't much better if better at all and he can fire Meuller and I would bet is more loyal to Trump so he won't recuse himself even if he should...
So... I'm not cheering for this.
Why trade one evil for another if the other is going to be able to do something the other one cannot at least?
And I think people are overoptomistic that firing Meuller will do anything to Trump other than more bad PR for the people who already don't like him. The Republicans seem happy to let him do whatever and his base certianly either doesn't care or purposely disbelieves any of this shit so you won't reach them either. But I'll be very happy to be wrong in this (and the more wrong the better
) if he does fire Meuller. Very happy. Especially if I'm super wrong and it brings him and the Republicans down (keep in mind a lot of his evil is just doing what the Republicans want).
So... I'm not cheering for this.
Why trade one evil for another if the other is going to be able to do something the other one cannot at least?
And I think people are overoptomistic that firing Meuller will do anything to Trump other than more bad PR for the people who already don't like him. The Republicans seem happy to let him do whatever and his base certianly either doesn't care or purposely disbelieves any of this shit so you won't reach them either. But I'll be very happy to be wrong in this (and the more wrong the better
) if he does fire Meuller. Very happy. Especially if I'm super wrong and it brings him and the Republicans down (keep in mind a lot of his evil is just doing what the Republicans want).StrikeNinja24
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I disagree. Nothing obvious happened but it did increase the intensity of the leaks and was a primary reason this collusion story is headline news. US intelligence is furious with the WH as well.
I understand Trump can dissolve the committee...just the poster stated Mueller being fired regardless if Sessions goes or not. I don't understand how that would work if Sessions stays.
The Albatross
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It'll be difficult to get Guiliani through the senate. Sessions got through with 52 votes (+1 Sessions himself) because despite being controversial, he had good relationships on the senate floor with most senators. Some Democrats were outspoken in opposing him, but most weren't because in their senate careers they had compromised with Sessions before and had a relationship with him.
Guiliani doesn't have that relationship with anybody in the senate. There's a block of ~10 Republicans who dislike him and would likely split on him (5 giving in and going along with the president knowing that the 5 others will stick to their scruples), and for Guiliani to be confirmed, they'd need a solid 100% of Republicans to confirm him, because every Democrat will vote against, and many more Democrats will vocally oppose his position.
If Guiliani could be confirmed (I don't think he could be), then it's a toss up for "who's worse." In terms of the Russia investigation, Sessions is uninvolved because he recused himself, and it would seem like Sessions would not be willing to disrupt the investigation anymore or comply with his undersecretaries on this. Sessions is not a political idiot, knows the fallout from this, and also knows that his political and legal career would be over if he made the wrong move here. Guiliani would likely do whatever Trump wants and does not care. Outside of the Russia investigation, it's a bit of a wash... Guiliani is more centrist on issues that Sessions is far right on, like Guiliani has historically been pro-choice and has has supported public funding for planned parenthood. He also is not as extreme as Sessions on drug enforcement, though he still has an extreme position on it. GUiliani and Sessions differ most on immigration, as Guiliani has long been seen as one of the few Republicans to support paths to citizenship, immigrant rights, and extending services to immigrants/children of immigrants, but this has likely changed in the last 10 years... Especially as Guiliani has come to feed into the tea party, alt-right, and Trumpist/Populist wings of the Republican party, which are staunchly anti-immigrant. Sessions, of course, is one of the chief opponents of immigration reform and was one of the most ardent anti-immigrant legislators. That has continued into his AG post.
Guiliani doesn't have that relationship with anybody in the senate. There's a block of ~10 Republicans who dislike him and would likely split on him (5 giving in and going along with the president knowing that the 5 others will stick to their scruples), and for Guiliani to be confirmed, they'd need a solid 100% of Republicans to confirm him, because every Democrat will vote against, and many more Democrats will vocally oppose his position.
If Guiliani could be confirmed (I don't think he could be), then it's a toss up for "who's worse." In terms of the Russia investigation, Sessions is uninvolved because he recused himself, and it would seem like Sessions would not be willing to disrupt the investigation anymore or comply with his undersecretaries on this. Sessions is not a political idiot, knows the fallout from this, and also knows that his political and legal career would be over if he made the wrong move here. Guiliani would likely do whatever Trump wants and does not care. Outside of the Russia investigation, it's a bit of a wash... Guiliani is more centrist on issues that Sessions is far right on, like Guiliani has historically been pro-choice and has has supported public funding for planned parenthood. He also is not as extreme as Sessions on drug enforcement, though he still has an extreme position on it. GUiliani and Sessions differ most on immigration, as Guiliani has long been seen as one of the few Republicans to support paths to citizenship, immigrant rights, and extending services to immigrants/children of immigrants, but this has likely changed in the last 10 years... Especially as Guiliani has come to feed into the tea party, alt-right, and Trumpist/Populist wings of the Republican party, which are staunchly anti-immigrant. Sessions, of course, is one of the chief opponents of immigration reform and was one of the most ardent anti-immigrant legislators. That has continued into his AG post.
Probably. I'm guessing we're gonna find out because Trump is even stupider.
He should. In fact, I think anyone Trump picks must recuse, because Trump picked them. But will they? Trump thinks Sessions shouldn't have recused.
A Serious Man
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It's worth noting that any new AG pick will almost certainly be required to recuse themselves from the Russia investigation in order to pass Senate confirmation.
Is there a way for candidates to pre-recuse themselves before getting appointed? The Senate does actually seem like they want Mueller's investigation to continue, so I could see it being a requirement if possible.
KernelPanic
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Trump expects absolute loyalty. I guess even Sessions wasn't dumb enough to put himself in the firing line for Trump.
He wants to stay in office and implement his sick agenda and not go down with the USS Trumptanic.