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PS4 passes 63.3 million shipped (as of June 30)

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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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ch4fx_

Member
That's nice and all.. but what about those monthly active users, Sony? Give us numbers that actually matter or don't bother.
 

cakely

Member
Congratulations, Sony. It looks like they're on track to hitting their 78m target by the end of the fiscal year.

I'm expecting them to maybe just hit 70m by the end of March as is.

How can you say i'm a troll? I have no reason to troll Sony threads, i don't have anything in particular against the company.

You already answered your own question. You truly expect Sony to ship 6.7M consoles during the next three quarters? That's a ludicrous prediction, and it sounds like you're trolling.
 
If games division hits that revenue forecast of 1,980 trillion yen this FY it will be new record for console manufacturer. Previous record was Nintendo during height of Wii & DS era when Fy2008 they had revenue of 1,838 trillion yen. Of course operating profit wise not going to touch Nintendos record from that year (555 billion yen).

isn't it ahead of Wii on the same life period?

Not yet but that starts to change this year. Nintendo shipped around 15 million Wiis during FY2010. Sony is forecasting 18 million for this FY and I don't see reason to doubt them hitting that.
 

ec0ec0

Member
What would be the other two? I said consoles specifically, so that doesn't include handhelds.

Everyone insists in this idea, even though a handheld is, clearly, a console? (i.e. a video game console).

If, each time you all say console, you mean, home console, maybe you should start using the appropiate term!?

because, apparently, a handheld is not a console
 
China growth y/y is big*, and justifies the huge amount of attention Sony as a whole are putting on it.

*Smaller base, but it's already larger than 'other areas' and out of AP I think it should be near South Korea

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Revenue from China + Pacific Asia is already larger than the US counterpart. It's funny that these regions aren't being discussed very often.
 

Sulik2

Member
So what do we think? Will it ultimately surpass the PS2?

Easily if Sony can get the PS4 down to $99 with a late cycle hardware revision. Even if $150 is as low as it goes I still think they have a shot at 200 million units with the much larger gaming market and power of the Playstation brand.
 
Sony are fools for thinking they can hit 80 million units by early next year

Uhm, have you been paying attention to how much it's sold every year?

They sold 20 million in FY 2016
They sold 17.7 million in FY 2015
They sold 14.8 million in FY 2014

This first quarter is just a 200k drop year-over-year, or less than 6 percent. If this keeps up they'll hit 18.8 million this fiscal year.

For them to hit your hat-eating shock number of 75 million, they would have to have a staggering 30 percent drop the rest of the year. That's very unlikely.

If they drop a couple of million this holiday season, which is absolutely possible, it still means they'll hit almost 77 million. I don't see this train stopping for no reason.

Easily if Sony can get the PS4 down to $99 with a late cycle hardware revision. Even if $150 is as low as it goes I still think they have a shot at 200 million units with the much larger gaming market and power of the Playstation brand.

This just isn't going to happen. 150 or 200 million is a crazy number. PS2 was introduced and sold well in a bunch of countries late and was a cheap DVD player, and the PS3 launch was such a disaster people didn't want to upgrade. A PS5 would most likely kill off any PS4 sales.
 
This just isn't going to happen. 150 or 200 million is a crazy number. PS2 was introduced and sold well in a bunch of countries late and was a cheap DVD player, and the PS3 launch was such a disaster people didn't want to upgrade. A PS5 would most likely kill off any PS4 sales.
I'm not sure about that. I think PS4's library is really strong. Good enough to sell alongside PS5 I think. Remember, many people only want a console when it has 2000+ games on it. $150 PS4 would do well I believe in other countries.

I don't think it'll surpass PS2 though, but become the 2nd best selling home console around the 125-130 mark.
 

00ich

Member
PS4 OS doesn't even let you install a harddrive that small.

Yes, a SKU like this would need a Firmware Update. The thinking was cheap and slow eMMC Flash for the OS ( which is about 100GB ) and every thing else on the external memory the user has to provide.

A SKU without the Blu-Ray drive would also be possibility.
 

tusken77

Member
Thoroughly deserved. The very fact that at this point we're having the discussion of if realistically the PS4 can equal/surpass the PS2 is incredibly impressive.
 
Yeah, it'll so pass the Wii. My money's on it ending up somewhere between the PS1 and PS2, but closer to the former. So 115 million units or something like that.

5 more and it'll overtake the 3DS. Think about that!
 

Cess007

Member
Doesn't the PS1 and the Wii have almost the same amount of sales? Like there's less than 2 million on sales gap, no? Beating the PS1 and the Wii is very doable for the PS4. Now, the PS2? I don't really think so.
 
Doesn't the PS1 and the Wii have almost the same amount of sales? Like there's less than 2 million on sales gap, no? Beating the PS1 and the Wii is very doable for the PS4. Now, the PS2? I don't really think so.

Yeah, a very small gap between them. 102.49 for the PSone and 101.63 for the Wii.
 
isn't it ahead of Wii on the same life period?

No.

Wii was at 73.97 million at this point in its life.

The PS4 forecast for this year (18m units) would only get PS4 about 3m units toward closing the 10m unit gap vs. Wii's FY3/2011 sales (15.08m sales). I'm more curious what the drop will be like next year if we maintain Sony's expectations that PS4 peaked last year.

I fully expect Sony to remain behind Wii until the point in Wii's life that Wii U was introduced. How far it goes after that depends entirely on how long the software support continues/when a hypothetical PS5 comes out. Wii's worthwhile software pipeline was basically done two years before Wii U launched, so PS4 is going to be working from an inherent positional advantage due to the inevitability of sustained third-party support.
 
My hot take from this is that the PS4 Pro didn't really help PS4 sales since the operating income still decreased significantly. Because money from PS4 hardware sales is declining I still think a fully backwards compatible PS5 in fall 2018 is possible.
Pro was still needed for the 4K push.

4K is whats hot right now, and they would have looked like idiots pedaling 1080p and lower while MS would be doing native 4K. I know I would switch my main console if one of them was last gen as fuck while the other was actually supporting my TV's res.
 

Pachael

Member
Is this for Sony's PlayStation business or Sony as a whole?

I'm surprised that the Japanese revenue figure is so much larger than the rest (even the US)...?

As a whole, but as mentioned below, Sony Finance is the other big earner and is just Japan. Without it I'd think the Japan share is way worse.

Probably but aren't Sony mobile games doing really well in Japan?

Only Fate/GO. But that's a wild, wild success even if it's under Aniplex/Sony Music rather than SIE (Still Sony, so meh). 5th (!) worldwide in global revenue in Q2
https://sensortower.com/blog/top-mobile-games-q2-2017

Revenue from China + Pacific Asia is already larger than the US counterpart. It's funny that these regions aren't being discussed very often.

Yeah, China particularly should be talked about more, as well as SK/HK/Taiwan/SEAsia. Many of these countries (not all) are either weaning off their prior piracy reputation (thanks to DRM in many cases, and subscriptions like PS+ for the rest), or companies moving to models that have served the area well previously.

It wasn't long ago that there was little talk about how in Asia the majority in revenue in gaming was free to play due to piracy... Today we have mobile gacha and free-to-play models with microtransaction galore that's driving revenue in same said places.

Folks put ridiculous amounts of money that would cover multiple new games into Fate/GO rolls. Peek in the official US thread if you need evidence of that.
 

Yagami_Sama

Member
Impressive.

Not sure how many years Sony plans to keep the PS4 alive, prior to PS5, but they might reach numbers close to PS2.
 

Thorrgal

Member
I said "around", and 78 to 80 is basically the same to me. If they can even hit close to 75 by the end of March i'll be blown away by their momentum. I'm expecting them to maybe just hit 70m by the end of March as is

What??? That would be a 100% YoY decline...

So 20M for 16/17 and you say that "maybe" they'll hit 10M for 17/18??

O my..
 

dracula_x

Member
The income of the video game segment is a little disappointing compared to last year with Uncharted 4, but damn Sony Corp is showing a nice face as a whole. Only Sony Pictures made a loss during the last quarter, but they have Spider Man Homecoming to make up for it next quarter.

https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/17q1_sonypre.pdf

slightly more info about Sony Pictures division:

Sales for the quarter increased 12%year-on-year and a 9.5 billion yen operating loss was recorded, an improvement of 1.1 billion yen year-on-year. The main reason for the operating results improvement was a contribution from the Television Productions business.

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also:

Spider-Man: Homecoming was released on July 7th and is recording a high level
of box office revenue, mainly in the U.S. The movie will be released in Japan on August 11th.

We plan to release Venom, an offshoot of Spiderman, in the fall of 2018. Like
Spider-Man and Venom, there are hundreds of Marvel characters for which we
have the film-making rights, and we plan to pro-actively leverage that IP going
forward.
 

cakely

Member
Just wondering, but does anyone know which hardware is selling more? PS4 slim/og or the pro?

The PlayStation Pro makes up approximately 20% of current PS4 sales.

So, the slim, by margin of 4-1.

Expect a similar ratio for the Xbox One S to the Xbox One X.
 

AmuroChan

Member
Impressive.

Not sure how many years Sony plans to keep the PS4 alive, prior to PS5, but they might reach numbers close to PS2.

Looking at their track record, usually around at least 3-4 years post-new console. They only just stopped manufacturing PS3's earlier this year.
 

Cess007

Member
Yeah, a very small gap between them. 102.49 for the PSone and 101.63 for the Wii.

Wow, it's less than 1 million. So, unless something catastrophic happens, the PS4 should pass both. (Also, if I ever thought a console could beat the PS2 was the Wii, but jesus, that thing collapsed)
 
Wow, it's less than 1 million. So, unless something catastrophic happens, the PS4 should pass both. (Also, if I ever thought a console could beat the PS2 was the Wii, but jesus, that thing collapsed)

That's what happens when you have only one major (and underwhelming) first-party tentpole software release in the last two years before the successor launches.

It's frankly miraculous that Wii kept going for as long as it did with the support it was getting from Nintendo post-2010. I think a lot of that has to do with some of its titles continuing to have appeal long after launch + Just Dance, Skylanders, and other third-party success stories continuing to have modest success.
 
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