Wag
Member
More late fall/early winter.
I'm hoping the 65" TVs have better uniformity than the 55"s. In any event they will help drive the price of the competition down.
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TCL P607 P Series ( the new mid range/budget 4k/HDR recommendation)
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More late fall/early winter.
I'm hoping the 65" TVs have better uniformity than the 55"s. In any event they will help drive the price of the competition down.
Not having local dimming on can cause the light bleed or clouding that you may be seeing. Wasn't really noticeable in brighter scenes but was obvious in dark scenes.
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
Interesting. If I recall correctly, the local dimming option was greyed out while I was in Game Mode and I couldn't tamper with it. I'll play around with it a lot tonight. I ran through the set up process while having the TV hard wired and I'm pretty sure it installed the latest firmware. I really hope I can help take care of this issue to some degree because I'm super happy with the TV outside of this one issue. I know most LED/LCD TVs have some degree of light bleed but this is more than I'm comfortable with.
The Jackdog
Member
so if i had 600-700 to spend on a TV....is this the TV to get?
This also may be a problem with the game itself. The game is effects-heavy, and some times those effects don't mask all the way to the edge of the screen. I'll get one row of full-bright pixels blasting through the edges. And yes, it's very distracting.
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
Nah. I know exactly what you're talking about and I know that isn't the issue. The bleeding pops even outside of that game. You can't even tell its there unless the areas of the picture are completely black.
I did see some examples online of a Vizio TV with local dimming on and off and I definitely saw similar amounts of light bleed in that example. I'm hoping the local dimming will solve the issue for the most part.
DirtyLarry
Member
I did try that along with some JavaScript thing that supposedly fixes 60% of stuck pixels. No luck.
Damn, you all are a persuasive bunch. I was willing to live with the Dead Pixel as I did not see it as a huge, huge deal. Sure it sucked, but it seemed more hassle than it was worth. However...
I called Best Buy. I did not think it was going to be this painless, but just of lifetimeofnot said they would, they issued a Replace/Exchange. They will deliver it to my house again, this time stick around and help me set it up, and if all is good take the current one back. All free of charge.
I actually have to thank everyone for making me realize what a stubborn, stupid absolutely lazy bastard I was being.
The only downside is I have to wait a week. They could have gotten it to me sooner but Friday the 18th is the only day next week I know I can work from home and it will not be an issue with my boss. So in exactly one week from now I will report back to hopefully share the new replacement has no dead pixels. If Best Buy continues this level of service up I imagine I will keep making them replace it until the TV is pristine.
Kudos to Best Buy here actually as I was convinced I was going to have to return it myself, etc. Which I do just want to comment... It may have sounded easy to some but if it was not fitting in my car (which it was not, I measured), it was not fitting in an Uber or Cab. The nearest person I know with a vehicle large enough is my brother in law who now lives about 90 minutes away in Pennsylvania and has a newborn. So chances are for me to borrow his pick-up I would have had to go get it, go back to my house blah blah blah, and that is what was turning me off more than anything else. It would have taken up an entire afternoon and I believe I shared the original reason I picked the TV up was my parents just moved out and got their own place again. There is a shit ton I have to do around my house as a result so the next month or so is just weekend after weekend of house projects. So the thought of taking upwards of 4 hours just to return the TV was not appealing.
Luckily it did not come down to that though and Best Buy is handling it all, which I really did not expect was going to be the case. I also did not think it would be so easy (the girl did not even ask why I wanted to replace it), so again thanks for talking some sense into me.
RedAssedApe
Banned
peer pressure lol
I personally don't think a single dead pixel on a 4K tv is worth returning IF there are no other issues that bother you and you can't see it in regular viewing.
The dark corners and DSE that seem to plague panels across all brands are both things that would bother me more. Its not like older tvs with less pixel density or a monitor, laptop, where your face is right up against it most of the time. Good luck though.
As a side note, Best Buy won't keep exchanging it. At some point they'll probably just tell you to return it and give you your money back. Also, not sure if you're BB Elite or higher but BB only has a 15 day return window. I don't believe it resets when you do an exchange either.
I personally don't think a single dead pixel on a 4K tv is worth returning IF there are no other issues that bother you and you can't see it in regular viewing.
The dark corners and DSE that seem to plague panels across all brands are both things that would bother me more. Its not like older tvs with less pixel density or a monitor, laptop, where your face is right up against it most of the time. Good luck though.
As a side note, Best Buy won't keep exchanging it. At some point they'll probably just tell you to return it and give you your money back. Also, not sure if you're BB Elite or higher but BB only has a 15 day return window. I don't believe it resets when you do an exchange either.
Ha! Been following this thread recently as my friend has decided to snag this TV, perfect for his budget and excited for him to get it. The last few days everyone's response to your not calling Best Buy has been great =P
Awesome news. Happy you decided to call. I honestly wish I had known about this gem when I grabbed my 4k TV as I could have saved more money for gaaaaaaaames. =(
Ok this Is weird... Last night after switching back to 8 bit color on my Xbox one og, I finally saw the closed eye in Xbox calibration mode... now today no matter WHAT, it is gone.
Is my TV messing with the signal?
If I switch from auto detect TV to manual it gives me some squished up anomaly of a screen display. Need to leave it on auto.
It was the first time in the many times I have tried calibration mode where the eye showed up
Is my TV messing with the signal?
If I switch from auto detect TV to manual it gives me some squished up anomaly of a screen display. Need to leave it on auto.
It was the first time in the many times I have tried calibration mode where the eye showed up
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
So I checked the latest firmware on the TV and it says it's up to date and on 7.6.2. However, RTINGS says the latest update is 7.7.0. Why isn't my TV getting the latest firmware?
I tried downloading it manually and putting it on a USB drive but I see no way to install it. The ROKU TV site says you go to system update and select "I cannot connect" but I don't have that option.
I tried downloading it manually and putting it on a USB drive but I see no way to install it. The ROKU TV site says you go to system update and select "I cannot connect" but I don't have that option.
RedAssedApe
Banned
someone had this issue earlier in the thread
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=245660532#post245660532
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
Worked like a charm. Thank you, sir!
I can confirm that the local dimming does indeed fix my backlight bleed. I wish I could enable it on the Roku menu but I'm not going to complain there. TV just redeemed itself. It's a keeper now.
lifetimeofnot
Member
This is 100% the tv to get.
If it makes you feel any better I had a friend talk me into exchanging my tv because it had really bad dirty screen effect lol. He used to work for best buy and he kept telling me about how easy it was going to be and how much I would regret not doing it because of how much I use my tv.
Ok this is driving me crazy. I was ok with the eye not showing because others said the same in this thread but last night when it showed the eye and I adjusted, colors and brightness looked more accurate and now I can't get it back.
Don't know if it's the TV or Xbox one not displaying correctly and perhaps it's only the calibration tool and it's fine in games but it seems its a little crushed compared to the settings I had with calibrated to eye.
Anyone have any ideas?
I am resetting Xbox just in case but see no other setting to try to change to make it show up. I have tried all including expert on Roku app
Edit... Xbox reset didn't work
DirtyLarry
Member
Part of me does agree with you which is why i so easily threw in the towel initially, but it is pretty noticeable especially since I noticed it. Even more so when gaming which considering the main reason I got this was to finally enjoy HDR gaming, it does pretty much suck it is there. It is towards the middle as well. If it was towards a corner would be much easier to live with. With that said I honestly can't see me doing another replacement after this. Either the replacement is better and I keep it and/or I do live with this one and/or I do splurge for a different brand. I really do want OLED eventually though but it is just much too expensive now so this truly is the perfect, perfect interim TV. If I do get a good replacement I'd go as far as saying it's a fantastic tv. IF I get a good replacement.
I do have to say the biggest disappointment about TCL not handling it is I know if they did and took the time to send someone out the TV itself would have been pre inspected. With Best Buy handling it, it is a crap shoot, and that does slightly concern me as besides a lone dead pixel, the rest of the set is fine. So fingers crossed I do not end up with a worse one, especially if the 15 days is the policy, I will be on Day 15 (from purchase not delivery) on next Friday when the delivery is scheduled. Damn wish I knew that as I would have maybe pushed the delivery. May call now again to see if I can do just that.
LOL Seriously everyone else cared more than I did so that made me think possibly I should care more. It definitely made me realize I had nothing to lose trying to call Best Buy. Besides 25 minutes on hold which I actually was able to hang up and have their system call me so I wasn't really on hold, it was painless.
Thanks again. It was your straightforward sharing of what would happen that did ultimately convince me.
According to rtings the main difference is the 807 lacks local dimming. For that reason alone, I'd get the 607.
RedAssedApe
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captjohnboyd
Member
So out of all the TCL 4K models the P-Series or higher is the only one really worth getting right?
Is it because it offers true 10 bit HDR (or 8 Bit or whatever it is thats supposed to be the best) or can I buy one of the other Letter series and expect a comparable experience?
There's a couple TV's they have that are around $100 less that Seem like they're virtually the same as the P607 but I'm not sure if I'm missing something.
I just think it's weird as fuck that Best Buy regularly has the P607 in stock but Amazon never does
Is it because it offers true 10 bit HDR (or 8 Bit or whatever it is thats supposed to be the best) or can I buy one of the other Letter series and expect a comparable experience?
There's a couple TV's they have that are around $100 less that Seem like they're virtually the same as the P607 but I'm not sure if I'm missing something.
I just think it's weird as fuck that Best Buy regularly has the P607 in stock but Amazon never does
Hoho for breakfast
Member
I dont have this TV or know much about them but I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, the P605/607 is the only one you want until they release more later in the fall I think it is. I don't remember for sure but I think the peak brightness was part of it. This one is better than others in regards to that and I think local dimming, whatever the fuck that is. Usually only pricier TVs have that. It also supports Dolby Vision which I think is a newer type of HDR standard. Other TVs in this range don't support it.
And Amazon did have it in stock until just a few days ago (they were in and out of stock a lot since it's release). I have no idea why they aren't selling it anymore but I did find it odd and posted about it in this thread the day it happened.
Honestly I'd have jumped on this by now but I got a deal from someone here on a better set.
If you dont mind the slightly shittier remote (no voice search and no remote locator) then I'd jump on that $600 Best Buy P605 before that disappears too. Unless you just want to wait for the other sets to release.
Edit: Also the input lag is crazy low on the p605/607 so its great for gaming. Don't know about other TCL TVs.
Edit again: So yeah I looked and other TCLs also support HDR 10/Dolby Vision. The p605/607 though has much higher peak brightness than the others, is direct lit (vs edge lit) and has the local dimming that the others don't.
DirtyLarry
Member
This could be for a number of reasons. The main one being as simple as Best Buy has a better distribution deal with TCL or something along those lines.
Also could be because more people purchase them from Amazon and they sell out faster.
I purchased mine from Best Buy, and if you read my last couple of posts, I am very glad I did. They are handling my exchange/replacement amazingly.
TLZ
Banned
Doesn't look like it.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The P607 is the best TV of all of them. The C model is more expensive due to the soundbar attached.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Is there confirmation of a 65" on the way?
Supposedly a 50" and 65" later this year. Cnet says Q4. I'm holding out for the 50" myself.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I have never, not once, turned on game mode in any gaming session.
And I haven't had any issues whatsoever.
Apparently non game mode input lag still better than most TVs game mode lag
Stiler
Member
Yes, it's coming later this year. They haven't announced an exact date yet for it.
GameAddict411
Member
Yes, even if you expand your budget to 1k. Only the Sony 900e TV beats the 607 and that's more than twice as expensive as the 607.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Agreed.
If we're being honest this TV is probably being sold too cheap!
It says something when the better TV is around $700 more.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Is 55" the only size available?
rocksteady1983
Member
You bought the better tv.Someone make me feel good about springing for the P model over the S
Ninja Scooter
Member
Really leaning towards getting this this week. Have a couple year old 48" 1080P Vizio set that has served me well, but I just moved into a new place and I think the extra size would be nice (plus I recently got a PS4 Pro). I was reading that the model sold at Best Buy has a different remote though? Is the only difference?
lifetimeofnot
Member
If you have a pro then you should get this tv for sure. The only difference between the two models is the remote. I have the model from best buy and it's great.
Edit: the large jump in screen size, 4k resolution and hdr should make this tv blow your mind lol.
Nevermind.
The TCL is a great TV. Definetly the best option if you can't afford the Sony 900e
Ordered a P605 from Best Buy a few days ago, should be here Tuesday. Here's hoping there's no issues - I've had really bad luck with electronics and PC hardware the past few years.
Two defective PSUs, two monitors with bad dead pixels, and just a few months ago my video card died. Please send help.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Do you keep your home and electronics properly ventilated?
Obliterator
Member
I'm going to finally be getting this TV at the end of the month as a birthday present to myself. Originally planned on waiting till the 65inch model to release to replace our living room set but decided to just turn one of our extra bed rooms into a dedicated gaming room and pick up a PS4 Pro and this TV. Can't wait
Ok I just did the update via USB stick. I followed Rtings settings to a tee BUT am using normal temperature and normal for "TV brightness" setting. Pretty happy. Warm is just too yellow for me, am I crazy? I chose normal for TV brightness because HDR it's supposed to be on darkest and non HDR it's supposed to be on darkest so I just split the difference as this seems to be the one setting that is not independent of the source / input (correct me if I'm wrong)
You're just used to the bluer/cooler whites is all. Leave it on warm for a day or two, then you'll adjust and next time you flip it to normal it'll be "too blue" instead of warm being "too yellow"