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Rick and Morty S3 |OT| Keeping Summer Safe - Sundays on Adult Swim

HotHamBoy

Member
I think the problem I've had with this season is that every episode revolves around Rick begrudgingly doing things he doesn't want to do, causing him to come across as cranky hipster that's too cool for anything opposed to a man of ultra science that does things because he wants to. Watching Rick complain about things for 22 minutes isn't engaging, it's annoying and it makes you hate him. We're not being taken along for the ride anymore, we're being dragged behind him as he condescendingly dumbs it down for us for no real reason.

Perceptive observation! That's pretty spot-on. It went from Rick dragging Morty on adventures to Rick being dragged into things.

I think criticism is being unfair, but not totally unwarranted.

Particularly because not every episode in season 1 and 2 were gold. They just became part of what people love because of the Rick and morty high.

Episode 1 is great, episode 2 is admittedly weak, episode 3 was completely fine just with a lot of drama on the side, and episode 4 was a throwaway adventure.

I think eps 5 and 6 will be solid, but yes it's clear that as they move away from setting up the universe they'll focus more on the characters with the occasional throwaway gag episode.

They took as long as they did partially because they wanted to go this direction and didn't feel inspired to do more aching to season 1 and 2.

I agree that the show always had mediocre episodes. I think that the problem is that the premiere of this season was really strong and the last three episodes feel middling or off because of the premises. See my quote of above poster.

Someone of you need to stop putting so much fucking stock in this show. It's just a show with a bunch of fuckery. Shut off your brain and enjoy.

Ah yes, classic defense.

"I am back up to.... ONE MILLION ANTS"

Best character of the season so far.

That was my favorite line of the episode.
 

jonjonaug

Member
I'm appreciating the callbacks to earlier episodes but in darker ways, like the neutrino bomb in the opening segment of the very first episode making a reappearance, and Morty saying he's had to disarm "too many" of them.
 

HotHamBoy

Member
Yes, and the fact that they treat them as if we've seen them before is part of the joke. It's supposed to be a joke about the crazy amount of superhero movie sequels. The Vindicators' first appearance is a "sequel" to an adventure that the audience never saw.

"So... this is Vindicators 3?"
 

HotHamBoy

Member
All four episodes have been pretty great so far.
I don't understand the hate on episodes 2 or 3.

*shrug emoji*

I enjoyed Pickle Rick a lot. Not just because of the absurdist Rick plot line but for the stuff with Beth, too.

The Mad Max parody was really weak for me. The entire episode just fell flat IMO. I enjoyed Vindicators more, mainly because the 3 weirdest heroes were pretty hilarious concepts despite the overall blandness of the plot.
 

Owari

Member
Finally back to form.
This was a good episode after two dreadful ones.

My ratings on a R&M scale

Ep 1: 9/10
Ep 2: 1/10
Ep 3: 2/10
Ep 4: 7.5/10
I would argue that they're far from "back to form"

S1: 10/10
S2: 7/10
S3-
E1: 7/10
E2: 2/10
E3: 2/10
E4: 5/10

I'm thinking it's done. Follows the classic Cartoon Network formula too: Got too popular way too fast, was too dark for the executives to handle, it was pacified with new writers who don't understand the show.
 

HotHamBoy

Member
I'm thinking it's done. Follows the classic Cartoon Network formula too: Got too popular way too fast, was too dark for the executives to handle, it was pacified with new writers who don't understand the show.

It's really not that simple.

I'm gonna repost what I theorized a few pages back.

Do you feel that the show has grown or evolved at all?

Here's a good comparison to make: Community. By season 3 it was getting really hit or miss. Some great highs but the lowest lows (up to that point).

Consider the differences between Simpsons and South Park Season 1 and Season 3. Season 4 of both shows is where the strongest run of seasons begins. When I compare seasons 1 and what we have so far of season 3 of R&M I really don't chart that growth.

Going back to Community and the parallels to R&M, I see it as a Dan Harmon thing where he is trying to distill the show to what he thinks it is supposed to be rather than letting it continue to discover what it can be.

I make that assumption based on what I know of his obsession with learning the perfect storytelling structure/writing formula. I mean, shit, he makes a Joeseph Campbell joke in like every fucking episode of R&M. They opened this episode with one.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
The Mad Max parody was really weak for me. The entire episode just fell flat IMO.

Kids getting therapy via, er, "unorthodox and unexpected" means amidst the backdrop of a post apocalyptic Mad Max spoof was clever, IMO. Plus, the resolution of the conflict was funny and original too.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Go watch Season 1 again.

That's the show we want.

I don't quite follow. How has the internal logic of the show changed from season 1 to season 3? It's still Rick and Morty et all going on adventures based on a variety of absurd premises, that get resolved in unusual ways that tend to turn TV tropes on their heads.
 

Owari

Member
I don't quite follow. How has the internal logic of the show changed from season 1 to season 3? It's still Rick and Morty et all going on adventures based on a variety of absurd premises, that get resolved in unusual ways that tend to turn TV tropes on their heads.
You can't watch Season 1 and honestly say it's at the same level or quality as Season 3. They were more loose with everything during S1. Now it's all calculated to the most boring level possible.

There was a chance R&M could have been #1 best show on AS after that perfect Season 1, but I guess Venture will remain the king.
 
Pilot / Anatomy Park / Raising Gazorpazorp / Something Ricked (on average, devil plot rules) / Finale are all worse episodes than any S3 ones so far imo, and the "wubba-lubba-dub-dub" reveal was a fun payoff, but had absolutely zero emotional impact for me as the 'season closer'. (don't really get how they're loose with everything in S1 when they probably planned the 'come watch TV' and catchphrase gags from moment zero).

Even with bigger duds I feel S2 is better than S1 so I can't disagree more with 'perfect S1, S3 is destroying the show'.
 
"Who the fuck is Noob Noob"

Goddammit this show is great. I didn't expect to see Lance Reddick in the credits but I'm guessing he was Alan Rails.
 

rekameohs

Banned
Go watch Season 1 again.

That's the show we want.


So he's destroying this show like he did his previous show? Why on earth would he do this?
Speak for yourself. The Rick and Morty Pilot is legitimately bad and they improved tremendously after it.
 

jviggy43

Member
There needs to be a universal rule for every thread where you get a temp ban for the "Don't think about it just shut your brain off" argument.
 

caliph95

Member
There needs to be a universal rule for every thread where you get a temp ban for the "Don't think about it just shut your brain off" argument.
I'm liking the show but that is such annoying argument

People do sometimes nitpicking and read too much into things and may need to relax but just saying turn your brain off will never not be annoying
 

Ernest

Banned
Real talk: season 3 already shits all over season 1. It's true.

And I can't believe some people are rating Pickle Rick a 2/10 - it's one of the best episodes of the series so far, full stop.
 
In my opinion, Rick and Morty episodes come in many flavors,(heartfelt family, random adventure, thoughtful satire, and Interdimensional cable), and the fandom is split across those lines. So the scores people assign here are even more subjective than usual.

As for me, I like Rick and Morty, and I appreciate every episode because it's Rick and Morty.
 

Not

Banned
I would argue that they're far from "back to form"

S1: 10/10
S2: 7/10
S3-
E1: 7/10
E2: 2/10
E3: 2/10
E4: 5/10

I'm thinking it's done. Follows the classic Cartoon Network formula too: Got too popular way too fast, was too dark for the executives to handle, it was pacified with new writers who don't understand the show.

You don't understand what "pacified" means
 
I enjoyed tonight's episode as well, but not as much as Pickle Rick. I thought the end delivered and the twist revealed to Morty is really good.

I'm not sure how I feel about the ongoing discussion. I can't quite describe it, but I do feel like there is something about the first season that feels different than season two and three. I think there is some merit to the idea of season one being darker, but I don't feel like they shy away too much from pumping the gas; there are plenty of dark moments in the second and third season. Maybe not as consistently dark?
 
The first season had the element of surprise on its side. When we first get the Mazzy Star outro montage to Rick Potion #9, it comes out of nowhere. The strikingly serious way they treat Morty's experience in the bathroom stall in Meeseeks and Destroy, coupled with the oddly sensitive way they deal with the aftermath, is something that seems to stand apart from the tone of everything that comes beforehand. And the "Come watch TV" monologue sits on an island directly in the middle of the most absurd and irreverent episode of the show that there is.

Living up to those high watermarks is only going to get harder and harder the more the audience is hanging out to spot similar moments. Emotional peaks in season two and three seem more manufactured, predictable, and mundane, accordingly. For my money, there's just as many average, throwaway episodes now as there was back then. The humour in the last couple of episodes is just as sharp as most of what I can recall from the honeymoon period back in season one. It's just that those moments where the show steps outside of itself and becomes something decidedly "more" are much more difficult to land, and so it can seem like something is missing.
 

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HotHamBoy

Member
So he's destroying this show like he did his previous show? Why on earth would he do this?

Uh, I don't think it's on purpose.

But if you examine Harmon's career he is sort of a subconscious self-sabatoger.

There was a chance R&M could have been #1 best show on AS after that perfect Season 1, but I guess Venture will remain the king.

I think you meant Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job!
 
Man rick looked super hurt when morty said the vindicators were his heros. That's why he got fucked up and destroyed them lol

Fuckin love this show
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
On rewatch I just noticed that the corpse of Worldender is behind the snack table during the shot where Gearhead is eating space macarons.
 

Walshicus

Member
I would argue that they're far from "back to form"

S1: 10/10
S2: 7/10
S3-
E1: 7/10
E2: 2/10
E3: 2/10
E4: 5/10

I'm thinking it's done. Follows the classic Cartoon Network formula too: Got too popular way too fast, was too dark for the executives to handle, it was pacified with new writers who don't understand the show.

This is figuratively the worst opinion I've read this month.
 
Pilot / Anatomy Park / Raising Gazorpazorp / Something Ricked (on average, devil plot rules) / Finale are all worse episodes than any S3 ones so far imo, and the "wubba-lubba-dub-dub" reveal was a fun payoff, but had absolutely zero emotional impact for me as the 'season closer'. (don't really get how they're loose with everything in S1 when they probably planned the 'come watch TV' and catchphrase gags from moment zero).

Even with bigger duds I feel S2 is better than S1 so I can't disagree more with 'perfect S1, S3 is destroying the show'.

Anatomy park is one of the best episodes in the entire show
 
Real talk: season 3 already shits all over season 1. It's true.

And I can't believe some people are rating Pickle Rick a 2/10 - it's one of the best episodes of the series so far, full stop.

What? How?

It might be the second worst R&M episode after the Mad Max one. It was good animated and okay to see Rick wreck shit but Rick brutally killing nameless rats and humans for no reason at all is not what i want from Rick and Morty.

This new one was much better, it did have a lot of violence but there was some context and fun to it. Not a all time great episode by any stretch of the imagination but not nearly as terrible as pickle rick. Not funny nor clever.

The Mad Max episode was just boring and dated from start to finish. Felt like a fan wrote it who has no idea what's good about the show.


I binged through the first two season so a bad episode might've not affected me as much since i can always just get to the next one.
 

jerd

Member
This season is 100% better than last for me. Some of these comments make me wonder if we're watching the same show
 

Zemm

Member
The pickle rick episode had one of the best scenes of the entire show. The one where Dr Wong completely nails Rick whilst he's sat there as a fucking pickle, and you're waiting for a witty burn from Rick but then you realise Dr Wong has got it so spot on about Rick that even Rick can't come back with a joke so has to sit there and just accept everything she says.

The show is still great.
 
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