The MCU isn't exactly lacking in females, not to mention other non-Fox ladies in the comics.
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Whats with the lack of gender/race diversity in the Marvel vs Capcom Infinite Roster?
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ProgenitorCastle
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With the most recent story mode trailer today (Find it here). We have found out that the roster is a total of 30 characters. Which isn't a bad number by any means until you start looking at the picks for the roster.
(Image courtesy of Maximillian)
Disregarding anything about odd returnees (Not really what this thread is about). The game has only 4 female characters and the only black character has been regulated to DLC. I'm at a loss who at Marvel and Capcom thought this would be a good idea for a base roster. Especially when Marvel has been doing a really good job with diversifying their portfolio. You have the Black Panther movie out next year and Marvel even held a women of power event last year for a lot of their games. Then there seems to be an odd parity rule going on. Only 2 females on Capcom and 2 females on Marvel. With neither side being able to pick up the slack. Which sticks out even more when there were more female characters to use even without Xmen for both sides (Trish, Jill, Tron Bonne, Felecia, Hsien Ko, C. Viper. & She-Hulk). The fact that MvC couldn't even handle the 1/4th rule like Injustice 2 did with it's roster for female characters is sad.
Perhaps things will even out with DLC in the future. But from we know of from potential leaks. The upcoming 6 newcomers won't have any females present (Though we at least get black panther). I find this all very odd especially when SFV despite it's flaws has a very unique and diverse roster for the most part and that was obtained with a less amount of characters.
Overall it's pretty disheartening to see both companies wanting to be more diverse and then taking a step back on a title which would have benefited the most from it.
I agree with some of your opinions on this topic.
More gender/race diversity from both Capcom and Marvel in this title wouldn't hurt in the slightest I feel.
Yea, I feel rather shitty someone like Black Panther is relegated to DLC :/ but I'm glad he's gonna be featured in the game at all I guess (hope the plan for him to be released as DLC doesn't get cancelled or something)
Your observation re: in spite of what you consider SFV's flaws, you still felt it had a unique and diverse roster for the most part, in part achieved due to the smaller roster size if I understood that correctly? sort of makes me wanna check out SFV for myself...I remember trying it out in a demo kiosk in a Gamestop once, and I liked the gameplay alot! Felt more accessible to me than say various ver.s of SFIV to me, and I appreciate that as someone whose not that into Street Fighter...so me liking the gameplay of it, alongside what you consider a unique and diverse roster for the most part, sort of interest me in the game haha
base shagohod
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You just bummed me out so hardThis. It look like it was made from a free 3D asset.
This is a great one:
Ninja Scooter
Member
It's reflective of the lack of diversity in both capcom's games lineup and Marvel's MCU. It's not all that surprising that a mashup of both isn't going to include all that much diversity.
disappeared
Banned
Why they chose to omit Ms. Marvel and Spider-Gwen, two of Marvel's best and fresh female characters, is baffling. Even if they come in later via dlc it still means they were afterthoughts.
shawnoftheshred
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Disappointing to see this again and again. I felt the same way about Injustice 2 after Mortal Kombat X's improvements to diversity, but even that one is head and shoulders above MvC:I. Obviously, the loss of X-Men in the base roster takes out some of the best female character options in the Marvel Universe: Phoenix, Storm, Mystique, Jubilee, Kitty Pryde, Emma Frost, Psylocke, but I was assuming we'd see at least 1-2 from: Elektra, Jessica Jones, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, She-Hulk, Nebula, Squirrel Girl, Wasp.
Ninja Scooter
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Because they couldn't easily do both? These are fictional characters they could have made them behave however they wanted in service of "gameplay functions".
As mentioned earlier, Scarlet Witch was also hit by the Fox ban (her rights are shared between Marvel & Fox).
Choppasmith
Member
Yeah, that's exactly the vibe I get from this game. "Meh, here's your new VS game. Whatever..."
I can understand Spencer (Combofiend loves him, fits Capcom's habit of putting in a random wildcard character). but I think FIrebrand was only put in JUST to have a flying character. They really should've looked at franchise reps instead of gameplay. And you just KNOW the more requested characters are coming via DLC. It's so repulsive.
Space Runaway
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Capcom side is largely the result of them rehashing the existing characters from MvC3 so they wouldn't have to spend time/money creating and balancing brand new movesets and shit. Capcom side dlc will prob consist of more MvC3 leftovers too. Capcom being cheap as fuck. Crappy starting roster even compared to vanilla MvC3. =/
Primethius
Banned
That Black Panther is pushed as DLC means Capcom can screw off.
And only 4 female characters? Jeez.
And only 4 female characters? Jeez.
AWizardDidIt
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There are plenty of great non-Xmen women. It's not accurate in the slightest to say most of their female characters are Xmen. That attitude seems based in the 90s when that was kind of the case but if you look at Marvel's comic lineup lately you see women on every major team and some of their most popular books are female fronted. The comics division of Marvel at least has been very aware of pushing more diverse lineups.
But I guess whoever was behind the roster choices for MvCI did not get that memo.
Marvel vs Capcom: 4 Women, No Black People
But I guess whoever was behind the roster choices for MvCI did not get that memo.
Marvel vs Capcom: 4 Women, No Black People
Salty Rice
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The race thing isnt really much their fault since most characters on both sites with some exception are not much diverse and they going for he bigger names.
The abyssmal representation of females there is no excuse tho. 4 female characters in a 30 character roster is a joke.
Overall this and the fact that most character are boring and just from MvC 3 makes this such a garbage roster.
Especially Black Panther the only black character being DLC is so stupid.
The abyssmal representation of females there is no excuse tho. 4 female characters in a 30 character roster is a joke.
Overall this and the fact that most character are boring and just from MvC 3 makes this such a garbage roster.
Especially Black Panther the only black character being DLC is so stupid.
GoldandBlue
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Don't worry, I'm sure a PR guy will give a sad excuse and then promise future DLC that will bring up ladies side to a grand total of 5.
The really odd thing is that they to this day refer to Captain Marvel and Chun-Li as "strong female characters" in PR. It's like they're insinuating they've checked off a box but really just built the expectation that there'd be more of that than we ended up getting.
But most of the ones people care about and sell copies (given the popularity-focus of this roster) are X-Men. Such was the case in MvC3, which this game borrows heavily from. Take X-Men out, you lose most of Marvel's star females. Have a small budget for new characters, and you spend that on what's most popular. To their credit, two of those are Marvel females. Capcom side, who knows, but again, Japanese developers really aren't the most progressive, so concepts like roster affirmative action seem unlikely in general.
It really comes down to losing the X-Men, which created domino effects for how the rest of this game is shaping up.
Also why I think "f(x)-men" is a better OT title than "MvC4 Women." It's the root cause. And the better title.
Yeah
But most of the ones people care about and sell copies (given the popularity-focus of this roster) are X-Men. Such was the case in MvC3, which this game borrows heavily from. Take X-Men out, you lose most of Marvel's star females. Have a small budget for new characters, and you spend that on what's most popular. To their credit, two of those are Marvel females. Capcom side, who knows, but again, Japanese developers really aren't the most progressive, so concepts like roster affirmative action seem unlikely in general.
It really comes down to losing the X-Men, which created domino effects for how the rest of this game is shaping up.
Also why I think "f(x)-men" is a better OT title than "MvC4 Women." It's the root cause. And the better title.
pretty done
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Funny how DC generally has good games and shit movies while Marvel has generally shit games and "good" movies.
Whatever happened to that Marvel CEO guy saying they're going to start giving a shit?
Whatever happened to that Marvel CEO guy saying they're going to start giving a shit?
WrenchNinja
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What the hell is that supposed to mean
I... think you're a bit one track minded on this.
The game still has tons of diversity because they went and put in a bunch of other Marvel characters, which Capcom failed to do.
LMSH2 and Spider-Man are looking great, and those are two of the foremost "giving a shit"-era Marvel Games games.
Ninja Scooter
Member
It means "I'm scraping at shit to try and deflect and minimize any discussions of diversity in games"
DMC could have had a cool black female character if it weren't for the dumb shit twist in DMC4.
FantasyFreak07
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Capcom should have used Robbie instead Johnny. There's hardly any Latino representation in video games.
EDIT: It's also disappointing that Kamala isn't part of the roster.
EDIT: It's also disappointing that Kamala isn't part of the roster.
Jawmuncher
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Good post, you'll be here long
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
That is the Marvel motto after all.
Ninja Scooter
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Don't worry I'm sure his main account will be.
Salty Rice
Member
True.
pretty done
Member
Yea Spiderman looks good, because it's essentially going through Sony and they generally give a shit about their first party titles.
They could have so much more though.
This. It look like it was made from a free 3D asset.
This is a great one:
Boy, I'd fucking sell my soul to see *this* Capcom again.
(And old SNK too, of course).
*cries*
But didn't Marvel choose their side on MvCI?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/m...-playing-more-of-the-single-player-modes.aspx
Apparently, female Monster Hunter with Rathalos armors was shown in story mode so I guess we could chalk one for female character.
Apparently, female Monster Hunter with Rathalos armors was shown in story mode so I guess we could chalk one for female character.
SuperBlank
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What are you talking about? We've got green people, purple people, blue people, furry people, undead people, robots, demons, and even a Chinese!
actually its quite the opposite.
" You see this cool character, now she's trish."
" Can I have the cool character back"
" But trish is cool"
" no... no she's not"
Combofiend himself tried to defend not having X-Men by saying they just moved those archtypes to new characters.
Jawmuncher
Member
Well well. At least we got 5 now. Even if it's DLC. Guessing there was no parity just a HUGE oversight
Golden age.
No, I honestly believe they didn't. They would have approved it, but Capcom almost assuredly would have proposed the vast majority of it, with Marvel making some suggestions afterwards.
The way they work is way more developer centric than it used to be.
To be fair, we don't know all of Season 1.
But if there is no parity rule, then yeah, Capcom fucked up on their side.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Select Characters, I guess
OmegaSmash
Member
Where the fuck is Rashid?
Even without Scarlet Witch (;_
Let's not pretend MCU doesn't have big diversity issues.
Nothing gave that impression at all. In fact Marvel should have been a good indicator on focusing on MCU. I don't think you'll be getting Ms. Marvel at all in MvC:I, Rashid though maybe and he would be a great addition.
Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Gamora, Nebula and thats about it... They aint going to add TV characters.
AWizardDidIt
Member
Behind my girl Juri in the Street Fighter line to get into the game :^)
So we could have gotten better franchise and gender representation on the base roster in one fell swoop, but Capcom couldn't help themselves.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Both sides are to blame then.
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