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Eurogamer: "Microsoft's final sales pitch for Xbox One X falls flat"
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Bitch Pudding
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4K sets are really not that popular currently; the vast majority of people out there already bought a TV pre-4K and won't replace it until it fails. Picture quality chasers are actually pretty rare.
stargateheaven
Member
Does anyone know if this thing is even scheduled for release in Japan? Or they skipping it entirely?
Fredrik
Member
What happened in there? I just went there to post
brag 
But like I said, this is a typical thread for negativity but a thread with a positive title about something positive won't end the same way. Save your longer posts for threads like that instead where they might be appreciated a bit more.
Personally I couldn't care less if people think Xbox One X will fail, it don't bother me, MS could've planned the launch better for sure but I'll get one and I'll have the best version of all multiplats and that's enough for me. Can't wait to see that sexy beast on my console shelf!
Lots of people saying it was just because of scalpers, that the statement didn't matter because it was one source from the UK and that it will do poorly cause of the price etc etc.What happened in there? I just went there to postthat I had my Project Scorpio Edition preordered and left.brag
But like I said, this is a typical thread for negativity but a thread with a positive title about something positive won't end the same way. Save your longer posts for threads like that instead where they might be appreciated a bit more.
Personally I couldn't care less if people think Xbox One X will fail, it don't bother me, MS could've planned the launch better for sure but I'll get one and I'll have the best version of all multiplats and that's enough for me. Can't wait to see that sexy beast on my console shelf!
Basically, anything to put a dampener on it.
michaelius
Banned
Those are not the same things
Xbox One had insulting 720p-900p games in an era where 1080p was standard which result in clearly inferior softer picture.
Drop from 2160p to 1440p is not going to be as noticeable unless you sit very close to TV since we are looking at 4 times smaller pixels. And that's more extreme case - in games where you have native 4k vs checkerboard on Pro it's going to be even harder.
Also since exclusives are made with one platform in mind base PS4 being stronger means that games might look better on Pro while being rendered at lower resolution compred to whatever is left of Microsoft studios output.
Fredrik
Member
Ah, well don't worry about it, it's mostly console wars related jealousy etc as always, just make sure you're getting one yourself and I'll help you out spreading some positiveness at launch day
Considering I recently got laughed at by my SO for even talking about pre-ordering one, I don't know if that'll happenAh, well don't worry about it, it's mostly console wars related jealousy etc as always, just make sure you're getting one yourself and I'll help you out spreading some positiveness at launch day
Buying a house has zapped every dime from me.
That and they are all 2-4 years old. Not that that matters in terms of quality, but PlayStation has been dropping 1 or 2 tentpole exclusives each year with lots of smaller exclusive titles as well. Their library is much deeper and broader.
Maverick-ick
Member
Not that popular? Eh, 4k TV's are the only thing you can buy since a few years back. The TV market is doing fine and selling out their stock supply.
At the moment LG 65C7 is not in stock in Sweden atm (elgiganten) so have to wait until september to make a purchase.
The people who bought a 1080p-only tv purchased a TV that now feels too small and are looking for a bigger tv. They won't wait until it brakes lol.
Actually, I don't, not to the extent that folks on forums do. And it's not about being elitist, it's more about feeling that we represent a smaller slice of the gaming audience than what folks like you think we are. Sure, an average consumer might look up a few articles and watch some trailers, but they aren't aggressively debating the minutiae and following dev diaries.
Seganomics
Member
Is this a serious post?
ResidentDante
Member
Those frostbite 60 fps games from DICE that went down to 720p on the Xbox One though weren't 1080p on PS4 either.
BF4
BF Hardline
Mirrors Edge
X1=720p while PS4 are 900p
This is extremely not typical. Hell you can still get 720p TV's in North America, and it's not uncommon for upper size limit to be a thing depending on where the TV is going. My parents bought a TV late last year and it was 1080p, those are still the "cheap" option below 50 inches.
Out of a few dozen people I know I'm the only one with a 4K screen, which is on my phone. I'm likely an anomaly in the other direction but nonetheless in the here and now 4K isn't that common.
Fredrik
Member
Bummer. I know that feeling, I bought paint and paint brushes and all kinds of renovating stuff and planned to paint our balcony this summer but it was rotten so I had to rip the whole balcony down insteadConsidering I recently got laughed at by my SO for even talking about pre-ordering one, I don't know if that'll happen
Buying a house has zapped every dime from me.
And we hired a firm to renovate a bathroom and a whole bunch of stuff went wrong, haven't seen the bill yet but I fear that it'll cost a lot But I have a separate hobby bank account for gaming etc so luckily my XBX preorder is safe!Seganomics
Member
But don't you remember how insulted PS4 owners were with Battlefields/fronts insulting resolution.
Isn't the more salient point here that multiplatform games' performance matters more heavily in the early generation, when there aren't many exclusives to be had on any platform? Obviously when there aren't key titles to differentiate the consoles yet you'll focus more on 3rd-party performance, but at this point with nearly 4 years into this generation, that's not the main point of contention between PS4 and XO anymore.
Zimmy68
Member
Can I ask a very naive question?
I am seeing videos of the YouTube honks unboxing their Xbox One X so nicely gifted to them.
Where is the gameplay?
I realize that they must be under some NDA and actual "on" videos can't be shown.
But what is the point? It looks like a custom Xbox One S, why do I care?
Are there any reports that these YouTube scrubs are actually turning them on trying them out?
I am seeing videos of the YouTube honks unboxing their Xbox One X so nicely gifted to them.
Where is the gameplay?
I realize that they must be under some NDA and actual "on" videos can't be shown.
But what is the point? It looks like a custom Xbox One S, why do I care?
Are there any reports that these YouTube scrubs are actually turning them on trying them out?
You always need two to dance that tango.
Lmao, so true!
Panaphonics
Banned
Dude this is NeoGAF. The Problem is that those people dont get banned as Long as you say something against Xbox because its a popular opinion.
Okami Haundo
Member
I've seen some people do unboxings, but it wasn't clear what the context was. I haven't seen anything about those folks getting games, and the enhancement patches for released games aren't available for download yet. Otherwise, they're definitely under NDA I'd imagine.
Says you? I'll be waiting for sure. There's no real need to change at the moment.
RoninChaos
Member
To be fair, I think that matters the most at the begining of a generation when a lead can be created. It doesn't matter in the middle or the end because people are already entrenched with what they bought. I'm a perfect case for this point. I mainly played on the 360 because multiplats looked better and Sony was out of their fucking minds on the ps3's price. Then they started taking back compat away and I got even more irritated. I picked up a PS3 for exclusives and played everything else on the 360. This gen all that switched to the PS4. I'm not going to be rebuying multi platform games again for the Xbox one X and hoping they get patched. That's kind of a fools errand. Which is a shame because I like MS' platform as far as Xbox live goes a lot more than PSN and I like what ms is doing with BC. Xbox live especially has turned into something really cool if you play games online. The looking for group tool is fucking AWESOME. I also really have liked the exclusives on the Xbox one platform but with the exception of Forza Horizon 3, Sonys exclusives seem to be much more varied and enjoyable.
And it's ironic that this ended up that way because it didn't have to. I would have been happy to continue in the Xbox eco system. Hell, I booted up my 360 to move some saves to the cloud and was kind of shocked looking at just how many games I had data for compared to my PS3. But their tech doesn't matter if there isn't fun shit to play and the time to make that argument was 3-4 years ago, not now. You can see MS has attempted to course correct but it still feels like it's too little too late.
Microsoft and Mattrick REALLY fucked themselves and Sony capitalized on it. Now we're stuck with Sony not giving a fuck because they're ahead and a Microsoft that's willing to try anything to keep up. And at least ms is trying but a new 500 dollar console to close the gap and heal the wound you self inflicted 3 years ago doesn't seem smart.
I do not know what the deal is with these companies and how they lose their minds and do stupid shit when they release a third console but MS did it. Sony did it, Sega did it, and so did Nintendo.
*edit* With all that said, I have to give MS credit for what they're doing and especially with BC. They seem to realize that the generation gap is blurring and giving people a box that can play a ton of games, not just from this gen, is a win and will make their platform stronger over time. Sony doesn't get this and instead has opted to go down the road of selling remakes ove and over. So MS still gets credit for that. I spent like 6 hours firing up Mass Effect 3 because I never finished it and now I have time to. MS deserves a lot of credit for jumping on board the digitial refund train. They deserve a lot of credit for what they're doing with Minecraft and cross play. They deserve a lot of credit for doing the windows 10/Xbox digital cross buy. I just wish they had done this at launch instead of shoving Kinect down people's throats and focusing on shit like TV, the NFL and some weird digital only future.
Or a lot of people have become disillusioned or turned off by the way Microsoft runs the brand. You can act like the negative bias is just an echo chamber effect because of fanboys, but that's only part of the puzzle. Microsoft has turned a lot of people sour on their product, and a lot of the sentiment rings true, whether we discuss their past dealings, or how we project their handling of the brand into the future.
Bummer! I hope that isn't too expensive for you. One of my team members recently went through replacing a boiler and went through a malcom-in-the-middle sketch similar to what you faced and got slapped with a big bill.Bummer. I know that feeling, I bought paint and paint brushes and all kinds of renovating stuff and planned to paint our balcony this summer but it was rotten so I had to rip the whole balcony down instead
I've just pre-ordered from Tesco as I can pay later to the date, so I'm happy
thekiddfran
Member
When are these companies going to learn? Its has always been about the games. Only hardcore 1% will buy this for their 4K TV.
Literally not a single exclusive game for this system.
A complete joke
Literally not a single exclusive game for this system.
A complete joke
Great point and we can see this with X360 then the massive drop from Wii to Wii U. Still I am cemented with the idea historical data plus current landslide XB1 wouldn't be able to do a similar thing as PS3 did if it was in the same position.
I was saying that after PS3 launched, many say it sold more every year and IIRC it did not in every year because there was at least one year where 360 got a huge boost due to Kinect (which led MS to believe it would be wise to include it with Xbox One).[/QUOTE]
Fair enough although Kinect did come very late into the cycle where most sales didn't come from but I see your point.
Oh another one...
And am not surprised that fiscaso went mainstream media then most gaming news went and with most things updates are not provided if it's not current affairs.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Well, I can personally tell you that this isn't true. I'm not hardcore and I'm buying one (Yes, I do have a 4K TV). My friend is buying one, he's not hardcore and he does not own a 4K TV.
Also, Forza is an exclusive and later, so is Crackdown 3.
I think he means exclusive to the X? I don't know what else he means.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Maybe, but personally, I think for him...
I'm usually good at trying to see both sides, but I think he's a fan who has been soured by a product with not enough exclusives vs. what Sony puts out. I was more of a 360 player than I was a PS3 player. This gen, I flipped, however, might flip back again. I assume I'll go the other direction when PS5 hits, but who knows. I just like to play on whatever the most powerful consoles are and I like to own all of them.
Maverick-ick
Member
Plenty of reasons to upgrade right now or this fall to 4k mate.
4k gaming, movies with uhd, netflix, sports etc are all available in 4k at the moment.
Well I can only speak of my market and what's going on here and around in my social network. 4k tvs are the ones who are available unless you are heading for a kitchen TV of size 32" or similar. You could say 4k is forced on the buyer.
Seems to be the case as well on amazon.
Only 4ks are the top selling. Unless kitchen TVs. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Televisions/zgbs/electronics/172659
However have heard of those cheap north american brand with really cheap TV's but with awful tech inside.
There will be a much bigger visual difference for X1X games if developers use the extra memory for Ultra-quality textures.
All the PS4 had over the XB1 was a resolution bump (usually 900p vs. 1080p) which was hardly visible on most TV setups and didn't even happen on a lot of games. The texture quality bump is visible from any distance and can happen on almost any game.
Neuromancer
Member
I'm still bummed out that VR for this thing was indefinitely postponed/cancelled. If it had been a significant upgrade over PSVR I would have been seriously tempted to buy one. I suspect it's never going to happen but if it does I'll reassess.
I think Microsoft saw what was happening with PSVR in terms of uptake, content , pricing and being launched so close to Pro and more tightly focussed their messages about X.
Yeah, that really seems like a missed opportunity. They could've just put an Oculus Store app on the One X where people could purchase and play Oculus games. Microsoft could've had a Xbox One X + Oculus bundle with games included for ~$800 that probably could've been extremely popular.
Razzmatazzer
Member
The biggest and most popular games out there are not exclusives... This isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
Neuromancer
Member
Isn't a big part of bringing vr to a console about providing enough small experiences on top of larger games to make the purchase tempting?
Microsoft doesn't seem to be keen on that particular front, at least that's how it seems.
On the other hand, being Oculus, there could have been a whole load of games that just need porting to provide that
Microsoft doesn't seem to be keen on that particular front, at least that's how it seems.
On the other hand, being Oculus, there could have been a whole load of games that just need porting to provide that
I disagree. I think most people are savvy enough to buy the console that has the biggest library of games. This was part of the reason Xbox 360 was so popular against the PS3 early on last gen which really was the golden age of Xbox (Gears, Halo, Forza, Mass Effect, Left 4 Dead, etc.).
2blackcats
Member
I'm so sick of this narrative. Of course it matters.
Yeah, that sucks alright. Happens in a lot of the exclusive game threads too.
I think a lot of people want to like the X though and are frustrated with what Microsoft are doing which leads to a lot of venting and negativity.
Windows 10 has got some native support for VR and is letting 3rd parties produce low cost standidised headsets, so it may be that they just enable support for that those in xbox one and any dev that wants to support it can do.
Razzmatazzer
Member
I never said it doesn't matter, only that it's not as important as people here claim. It's nice to have exclusives, no question. But that's not what the majority of people are playing.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
I managed to nab a pre-order on Amazon for the system but when I thought about it, realized a few big things still in question:
-Will they be handling the online infrastructure the same way? What will membership prices be to Live? Price increases? Different tiers?
-Will they try pushing the online/digital DRM on us this time with a stealth launch of those features? Example-must be connected online to install the game and then your system is checked via the internet at intervals to prevent "unauthorized games/mods" on your system.
-What big games are coming out for the Xbox One X besides Forza built from the ground up for the system besides being able to play older Xbox One games with patched in graphics and performance increases?
How does all this tie into the sales pitch? Very easily! When I really sit down and think about it, Microsoft hasn't really sold me on the fact I need this day 1 in my household other than it being "the world's most powerful home console".
Microsoft needs to take a page out of Nintendo's book and realize quality software will drive hardware sales, not necessarily being the biggest shark in the ocean......
As for my pre-order-I'll probably end up getting rid of it.
-Will they be handling the online infrastructure the same way? What will membership prices be to Live? Price increases? Different tiers?
-Will they try pushing the online/digital DRM on us this time with a stealth launch of those features? Example-must be connected online to install the game and then your system is checked via the internet at intervals to prevent "unauthorized games/mods" on your system.
-What big games are coming out for the Xbox One X besides Forza built from the ground up for the system besides being able to play older Xbox One games with patched in graphics and performance increases?
How does all this tie into the sales pitch? Very easily! When I really sit down and think about it, Microsoft hasn't really sold me on the fact I need this day 1 in my household other than it being "the world's most powerful home console".
Microsoft needs to take a page out of Nintendo's book and realize quality software will drive hardware sales, not necessarily being the biggest shark in the ocean......
As for my pre-order-I'll probably end up getting rid of it.
Birgitte2004
Member
You know, it's hypocritical to focus on these people when there are a whole bunch of people who have spent 4 years claiming that tech differences didn't matter, but now that the Xbox One X is coming they suddenly do matter.
Completely agree. I wasn't one of them though (if you're implying that).
Always thought native was key and was in the camp of sacrifice toggles to get up to 1080p as 900p was just a smear of Vaseline.