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It should come as no surprise that this turned into a long "Xbox is DOOOOOOOOMED!" thread where every 5th post in the first 10 pages was trying to convince everyone else that MS is, yet again, abandoning the video-game hardware market. *sigh*

Microsoft certainly earned their distant second place with the now infamous cluster-fuck that was the Xbone launch. Yeah, they need to get their ass in gear when it comes to exclusives (the Gamescom presentation was lackluster...superfluous after E3...without many to talk about). And, yeah, the X1X is priced $100 too high to make a serious dent in the PS4's sales lead.

That said...all the hair on fire, shit-posting is ridiculous...at this price point the X1X is obviously not meant to change the market landscape...it's all about catering to a niche gamer who wants the best *console* gaming experience and has enough disposable income that price isn't a consideration. And that's OK. If the Xbox division was truly on its last legs, higher ups could have easily told Phil to ride the Xbone S into the sunset. Instead, they released a fire-breather to make the existing Xbox core gamers happy in a move that really isn't too much more complicated than a polygonal dick measuring contest. And that's OK.

My own sentiments towards the Xbox have vacillated all over the place since the disastrous Xbone launch. I was firmly onboard Sony's band-wagon, picking up two PS4s at launch...and only half-heartedly picked up a couple Day One Xbones. But...MS really did an about face in 2014-17, gradually improving the UI and ecosystem, providing a vastly superior elite controller, and dropping in kick-ass backwards compatibility to eventually win me back. Through no real fault of Sony's I eventually dropped PS+ and for the most part only use my lone remaining PS4 for offline/SP exclusives (granted, it's a really cool Darth Vader edition I upgraded to after trading in my launch PS4s). Meanwhile, I have 483 games on my primary Xbone Elite.

I have every gaming option under the sun - including a nice gaming PC - and yet the X1X appeals to me enough that I placed a pre-order for the Scorpio edition, whereas the PS4 Pro didn't convince me (I'll eventually pick one up if/when I can get it for, say, $299 on some kind of deal). I know my gaming budget puts me in an atypical demographic. But...I dont think it's so uncommon that a lot of people simply want the best available console option (without the complication/expense of PC gaming). And, while it may be anecdotal, I know a couple people who haven't bought in to this gen yet...but fully intend to pick up a X1X on Black Friday. For me, I'll get to play a ton of my backlogged games for the first time at the best possible IQ. For them, they're jumping in because the X1X "wows" 'em. I don't expect this thing to sell gang-busters...but, as noted earlier, it doesn't need to...and that isn't its stated intent.

One thing I know for sure is I'm really excited to play a ton of multiplats and BC games and receive the benefit of the automatic uptick in IQ/FPS. That's easily enough to justify my purchase, regardless of what happens with the first party exclusive situation (which, I agree, needs improvement).

 

[Shin-Ra]

Windows 10 has got some native support for VR and is letting 3rd parties produce low cost standidised headsets, so it may be that they just enable support for that those in xbox one and any dev that wants to support it can do.

That seems like the most likely option, but they're not wireless (yet).

Unless they're changing the specs for the consumer release of these headsets, they have LCD panels (not OLED) and aren't suitable for most gameplay experiences.

 

[Fredrik]

I have every gaming option under the sun - including a nice gaming PC - and yet the X1X appeals to me enough that I placed a pre-order for the Scorpio edition, whereas the PS4 Pro didn't convince me (I'll eventually pick one up if/when I can get it for, say, $299 on some kind of deal). I know my gaming budget puts me in an atypical demographic. But...I dont think it's so uncommon that a lot of people simply want the best available console option (without the complication/expense of PC gaming). And, while it may be anecdotal, I know a couple people who haven't bought in to this gen yet...but fully intend to pick up a X1X on Black Friday. For me, I'll get to play a ton of my backlogged games for the first time at the best possible IQ. For them, they're jumping in because the X1X "wows" 'em. I don't expect this thing to sell gang-busters...but, as noted earlier, it doesn't need to...and that isn't its stated intent.

One thing I know for sure is I'm really excited to play a ton of multiplats and BC games and receive the benefit of the automatic uptick in IQ/FPS. That's easily enough to justify my purchase, regardless of what happens with the first party exclusive situation (which, I agree, needs improvement).

Yup, this is me too. I've got the 1080ti Lightning Z in my PC rig but I'm still excited about the X. I don't choose a console based on what my friends have or because of the controller or whatever, I got the PS4 day 1 for the exact same reason I'm getting the XBX now, to have the best possible console versions when I'm slouching in the couch gaming on consoles. That's all there is to it really. I honestly think lots of people here think the same way, that's why the tiniest details in DF faceoffs can render a 20 page long discussion, and I would be very surprised if XBX didn't become popular here. But the mainstream gamer obviously won't care about Pro or X, it's just an enthusiast thing, and this will show in the sales just like on Pro. XBX won't help MS to close the gap, but it might change how the enthusiast gamers think about the Xbox brand, which might actually be good enough for MS at this point.

 

[00ich]

it's all about catering to a niche gamer who wants the best *console* gaming experience and has enough disposable income that price isn't a consideration. And that's OK.

It's not OK. The Xbox One X needs to sell a lot of units otherwise 3rd parties won invest into actual improvements (vs upping the resolution a little).

 

[EvB]

Unless they're changing the specs for the consumer release of these headsets, they have LCD panels (not OLED) and aren't suitable for most gameplay experiences.

Why is OLED a requirement?

 

[FacelessSamurai]

It's not OK. The Xbox One X needs to sell a lot of units otherwise 3rd parties won invest into actual improvements (vs upping the resolution a little).

3rd parties are already making Pc versions of their games, so adding higher resolution textures on top of 4k rendering resolution amongst other quick improvements shouldn't be really hard to do.

 

[momshotdad]

I think this thing'll take off once DigitalFoundry gets their hands on it and really displays the power you're getting here. PS4 relied on 3rd party games for almost 2 years so there's no fault in Xbox doing the same for now. They just have to turn their 1st party situation around big time.

 

[djnewwest]

Well its sold out everywhere so I guess so I guess this sales pitch didn't fall flat after all

 

[PdotMichael]

You always need two to dance that tango.

So the cheaper system had the better looking games in 2013 is the same as the significant more expensive system is also more powerful in 2017.

 

[Papacheeks]

Well its sold out everywhere so I guess so I guess this sales pitch didn't fall flat after all

Selling out means nothing when the version that's being sold currently for Pre-order is a the limited edition Scorpio Version.

Wii U sold out in it's first initial pre-orders, and how did that turn out? Same with the XBox one Day one editions.

 

[Duchess O'Death]

Well its sold out everywhere so I guess so I guess this sales pitch didn't fall flat after all

Reports say GameStop stores got 12 units each. And the limited edition is sold out because people are flipping it. We have no idea how many units are preordered anyway. Being sold out is not a success unless we know how many units were provided.

 

[nekkid]

Well its sold out everywhere so I guess so I guess this sales pitch didn't fall flat after all

Something something 10 units per store.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

I think this thing'll take off once DigitalFoundry gets their hands on it and really displays the power you're getting here. PS4 relied on 3rd party games for almost 2 years so there's no fault in Xbox doing the same for now. They just have to turn their 1st party situation around big time.

Yeah but don't you think they've had enough time to fix this? It's not like Microsoft, in the same amount of years, didn't have the same third parties that they could rely on within that time. I'm not arguing on behalf of the argument that the XBX won't sell or anything...I don't really care how it does, but as an Xbox one owner myself, I've been just turned off from turning it in due to having no actual Xbox unique games to play. I just don't think it's fair to excuse the very vital point of a console.

Whether this thing sells or not comes down to audience. Some people want the best graphics, some people are hardcore Xbox fans who were going to buy it anyways, and some people want it for all the other things such as EA access, BC, Controllers, Friends, UI (which I find silly as a reason to buy a game console for seeing as you really don't interact with this all the time but to each their own) as all their own intended reason for buying it. But I branch out for games and that's what always makes a system attractive for me to buy even if I hate the system itself (aka switch but I got one lol) so yeah, this isn't something that should be fixed but something that Microsoft at this point should be 100% better at at this point in the game. It's been 4 years now.

 

[FaustusMD]

It should come as no surprise that this turned into a long "Xbox is DOOOOOOOOMED!" thread where every 5th post in the first 10 pages was trying to convince everyone else that MS is, yet again, abandoning the video-game hardware market. *sigh*

It's a little hard to watch on a forum that's otherwise not as bad as certain others. You definitely get the sense certain folks just want MS to exit the hardware market so their choices get easier and maybe give them a reason to celebrate on having "won" for... not doing much other than buying goods the competition put out.

I'm not sure why people feel so obligated to invest, religiously and personally, in brands like this. If you as a person stop buying their products today and stop proselytizing for them online, you will not be missed in the slightest. You're always just be a drop in the bucket, so maybe some people should keep that in mind before they think they'd bleed for a faceless corporation.

 

[Castef]

I strongly agree with them.

 

[Vlade]

I'm fine pal. Console wars don't phase me, it's the hypocrisy of this forum what does.

Wouldn't a uniformity of opinion and message actually be evidence that gaf is conspiring against you? maybe the inconsistency is because there never was a hivemind?

 

[beastlove]

I am probably the target market for this console. I would like the power of a mid range PC and the ease of a console. I know PCs aren't hard but they aren't really designed for couch gaming. I can afford one but cannot see myself buying one as it still has a weak CPU. All I wanted was slightly better graphics and 60fps on games like the Witcher, fallout 4 etc. I cannot see the X delivering this but I would go Microsoft over Sony for the next generation console. Sony have shown a complete l disregard for their customers with anti consumer policies. Microsoft on the other hand have been nothing but impressive.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Xbox is in a strange position at the moment. On one hand there are things to like about Xbox:

Backwards Compatibility,
Xbox One S with UHD blu-ray,
Xbox One X hardware,
Solid Network,
Selling well enough / making money,
Strong exclusives at the start,
Good refund policy,
Game Pass.

But on the other hand, enough bad things over the years that have hurt the brand too:

Xbox One high launch price,
Xbox One weaker GPU,
Xbox One X high launch price (for some people)
RARE developers wasted,
Fable Cancelled,
Scalebound Cancelled
Phantom Dust Remake Cancelled,
Crackdown 3 delayed again,
Less exclusives now.

It's certainly not all doom and gloom, although PS4 doing so well doesn't help but there are things they definitely need to work on going forward, starting with sorting the games situation out.

 

[anothertech]

So the cheaper system had the better looking games in 2013 is the same as the significant more expensive system is also more powerful in 2017.

Honestly who is saying resolution and power doesn't matter? Thing is, the goalposts haven't changed, the argument itself has changed. I think the better comparison would be:
2013:
PS4-Resolution matters!
Xbone-No it doesn't

2017
PS4Pro-Exclusives matter!
Xbonx-No it doesn't

Well its sold out everywhere so I guess so I guess this sales pitch didn't fall flat after all

Gah. That worked out so well for the WiiU huh? At this point it's not an indicator of anything tbh.

 

[AmyS]

I agree with those who say we need Xbox to be strong in the industry otherwise Sony will backslide / have little reason to be competitive in the future.

Beyond Scorpio / Xbox One X, I really hope to see Microsoft come out swinging next gen (regardless of their PR speak about no longer having console generations). If Microsoft sees a resurgence going into the back end of this generation with Scorpio, they always have the ability to increase funding again for the Xbox division. I don't see it as a bad thing merging Windows gaming with Xbox, as long as Microsoft doesn't exit the console hardware space. Xbox One is not doing badly, it's doing well relative to OG XBox vs PS2 which ended up 24m vs 155m consoles sold. Xbox One is fine, it's just not selling like PS4. Yet I see no reason why Xbox One S and Xbox One X can't have a good life during 2018, 2019, and 2020.

Believe me, you don't want Microsoft pulling out of the market and leave Sony to totally dominate 2020-2021 going into next gen with PS5 without competition.

 

[ronaldthump]

Honestly who is saying resolution and power doesn't matter? Thing is, the goalposts haven't changed, the argument itself has changed. I think the better comparison would be:
2013:
PS4-Resolution matters!
Xbone-No it doesn't

2017
PS4Pro-Exclusives matter!
Xbonx-No it doesn't

that spin.

 

[Nictel]

I don't believe resolution matters that much in the end. It is a bullet point. If they didn't totally mishandled the messaging of the Xbox One than MS would still be on top.

"It's a stronger better 360 you all know and love." Done deal. The always on, not sharing games, TV TV TV, destroyed their support and their market share, not the amount of pixels because let's be honest do we, besides the direct comparisons, really see that much difference between PS4 and Xbox One?

 

[Hawk269]

Yup, this is me too. I've got the 1080ti Lightning Z in my PC rig but I'm still excited about the X. I don't choose a console based on what my friends have or because of the controller or whatever, I got the PS4 day 1 for the exact same reason I'm getting the XBX now, to have the best possible console versions when I'm slouching in the couch gaming on consoles. That's all there is to it really. I honestly think lots of people here think the same way, that's why the tiniest details in DF faceoffs can render a 20 page long discussion, and I would be very surprised if XBX didn't become popular here. But the mainstream gamer obviously won't care about Pro or X, it's just an enthusiast thing, and this will show in the sales just like on Pro. XBX won't help MS to close the gap, but it might change how the enthusiast gamers think about the Xbox brand, which might actually be good enough for MS at this point.

I am in the same boat. I have a 2xSLI Titan XP rig which dances circles around consoles, but I am still excited for the Xbox One X. We all know that they are struggling with 1st party games, but the majority games on consoles are 3rd party. Like the guy you quoted, the Xbox One X was not designed to change the tide in sales and be the counter punch that knocks Sony off their sales lead. That is not going to happen even if it had a Ryzen CPU and 10TF GPU. It was designed to cater to people that want a very powerful console that will be home to being able to play the best version of 3rd party games. I mean, when Phil first uttered words about this console, he followed up the presentation in meetings with the press saying that for them, the Xbox One S will be the sales leading hardware for them.

I also lmao at those thinking that MS is leaving the console space and claim that MS has no faith in the division and has not had any faith in it....if your are a business person and your company has no faith in a division you don't green light the development (3 years worth) on a console that is meant to just cater to the enthusiasts. They clearly know who and why they made it and the higher ups at MS would of not allowed this to be made if they are about to dump the division.

 

[AmyS]

I am in the same boat. I have a 2xSLI Titan XP rig which dances circles around consoles, but I am still excited for the Xbox One X. We all know that they are struggling with 1st party games, but the majority games on consoles are 3rd party. Like the guy you quoted, the Xbox One X was not designed to change the tide in sales and be the counter punch that knocks Sony off their sales lead. That is not going to happen even if it had a Ryzen CPU and 10TF GPU. It was designed to cater to people that want a very powerful console that will be home to being able to play the best version of 3rd party games. I mean, when Phil first uttered words about this console, he followed up the presentation in meetings with the press saying that for them, the Xbox One S will be the sales leading hardware for them.

I also lmao at those thinking that MS is leaving the console space and claim that MS has not faith in the division and has not had any faith in it....if your are a business person and our company has no faith in a product line, you don't green light the development (3 years worth) on a console that is meant to just cater to the enthusiasts. They clearly know who and why they made it and the higher ups at MS would of not allowed this to be made if they are about to dump the division.

I agree.

Well said.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Remember when people were totally convinced that Scorpio was "a totally new generation" and that it would use Ryzen? Good times.

I don't think anyone seriously believed that

 

[RichiRamjag]

I don't think anyone seriously believed that

There were some crazy expectations. Then again, there were for the switch of all things as well.

 

[Lady Gaia]

I don't think anyone seriously believed that

There were definitely quite a few who did and would defend that position vigorously. I can’t image they were ever anything but a vocal minority, which creates the perception that the belief was more common than I suspect it actually was among the broader audience here.

Every indication is that the hardware is everything Microsoft intended it to be. Any disappointment says more about expectations than execution. And yes, I’m guilty here because I’d love it if another gaming platform catered to my tastes which they manifestly are not on the software side. The fact that they don’t isn’t an inherent failure so long as they do attract and keep a passionate audience.

 

[Inuhanyou]

There were some crazy expectations. Then again, there were for the switch of all things as well.

I remember, and Pro as well...i never really got any of it TBH.

The iterative units are not next gen machines to speculate about

Lisa Su had already said Zen semicustom would not be ready anywhere near in time

and Nintendo for a long time has focused on things other than power...not to mention having said early on that they were not intending to compete with PS4 or XB1.

There were definitely quite a few who did and would defend that position vigorously. I can't image they were ever anything but a vocal minority, which creates the perception that the belief was more common than I suspect it actually was among the broader audience here.

Every indication is that the hardware is everything Microsoft intended it to be. Any disappointment says more about expectations than execution. And yes, I'm guilty here because I'd love it if another gaming platform catered to my tastes which they manifestly are not on the software side. The fact that they don't isn't an inherent failure so long as they do attract and keep a passionate audience.

I agree fully.

 

[RichiRamjag]

There were definitely quite a few who did and would defend that position vigorously. I can’t image they were ever anything but a vocal minority, which creates the perception that the belief was more common than I suspect it actually was among the broader audience here.

Every indication is that the hardware is everything Microsoft intended it to be. Any disappointment says more about expectations than execution. And yes, I’m guilty here because I’d love it if another gaming platform catered to my tastes which they manifestly are not on the software side. The fact that they don’t isn’t an inherent failure so long as they do attract and keep a passionate audience.

That's pretty well said. I definitely couldn't say I'm disappointed in the One X hardware. I do wish it was $100 cheaper, but it is what it is.

I pre-ordered the X because I wanted the latest and greatest, does this make me a bad person? Honestly it might just sit there but I like video games, and Microsoft will make something I want to play on it.

Lol. Give me a break. No need to be so dramatic about it.

Buy what you like.

 

[shoepolishsmelling]

I pre-ordered the X because I wanted the latest and greatest, does this make me a bad person? Honestly it might just sit there but I like video games, and Microsoft will make something I want to play on it.

 

[Darkstorne]

I am in the same boat. I have a 2xSLI Titan XP rig which dances circles around consoles, but I am still excited for the Xbox One X. We all know that they are struggling with 1st party games, but the majority games on consoles are 3rd party. Like the guy you quoted, the Xbox One X was not designed to change the tide in sales and be the counter punch that knocks Sony off their sales lead. That is not going to happen even if it had a Ryzen CPU and 10TF GPU. It was designed to cater to people that want a very powerful console that will be home to being able to play the best version of 3rd party games. I mean, when Phil first uttered words about this console, he followed up the presentation in meetings with the press saying that for them, the Xbox One S will be the sales leading hardware for them.

I also lmao at those thinking that MS is leaving the console space and claim that MS has not faith in the division and has not had any faith in it....if your are a business person and our company has no faith in a product line, you don't green light the development (3 years worth) on a console that is meant to just cater to the enthusiasts. They clearly know who and why they made it and the higher ups at MS would of not allowed this to be made if they are about to dump the division.

Basically this, and it's a little weird to see DF saying they have no idea who the target market is. It's clearly aimed primarily at existing Xbox One owners, up selling to their core fans who want to take their existing games library into 4K (or close to it). Exactly the same as the Pro. And like the Pro, the designers will have no expectations of this being a sales beast, just a really sweet high end enthusiast option for core fans. It's great to see console gamers offered these upgrade options that have previously been locked to PC gamers only.

 

[Hawk269]

Basically this, and it's a little weird to see DF saying they have no idea who the target market is. It's clearly aimed primarily at existing Xbox One owners, up selling to their core fans who want to take their existing games library into 4K (or close to it). Exactly the same as the Pro. And like the Pro, the designers will have no expectations of this being a sales beast, just a really sweet high end enthusiast option for core fans. It's great to see console gamers offered these upgrade options that have previously been locked to PC gamers only.

It is weird. The philosophy behind it is not that much different than Sony and the Pro. Sony has said one of the main draws was to keep people locked into the PSN eco system instead of going to PC to have higher fidelity etc. MS took almost the same approach and by their own words they could have released a mid-generation system themselves last year as well, but they wanted to go a bit further with it and provide something more substantial in the hardware. It does baffle me how some can say it is pointless and who is it for or suggest that because they don't have the 1st party titles, they will not knock Sony on their ass. As I stated and MS themselves have stated the Xbox One S will be the number 1 selling console for MS and that the Xbox One X is meant for the player that wants a premium system, the most powerful system etc. It amuses me as well about when the price was announced and the outcry of some saying that it needed to be $399.99 or it is DOA and that they will never be able to fight Sony because of the price point etc. They made an enthusiast level system that even some PC enthusiasts have said for what it packs, $499.99 is a pretty good price. System is/was made to cater to the higher echelon of gamers that could give a damn about price if they want to have a high end console system (note I said console). Not sure how it is so hard for some to understand.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Basically this, and it's a little weird to see DF saying they have no idea who the target market is. .

This is not DF, this is eurogamer. They are separate

 

[wapplew]

Might have something to do with their marketing, over a year of hype cycle, front and center on any MS public showing, interviews and social media.
They make One X feel like next big thing for them, wearing T-Shirt with 6>4, mosnter, 6TF etc doesn't seems like they are satisfy with just cater to enthusiasts core users.
Can't blame media and general audience expect other wise when MS sending aggressive signals themselves.

 

[ronaldthump]

This is not DF, this is eurogamer. They are separate

well, i wouldn't say its seperate at all.

 

[Nightengale]

Might have something to do with their marketing, over a year of hype cycle, front and center of any MS public showing, interviews and social media.
They make One X feel like next big thing for them, wearing T-Shirt with 6>4, Beast, 6TF etc doesn't seems like they are satisfy with just cater to enthusiasts core users.
Can't blame media and general audience expect other wise when MS sending aggressive signals themselves.

As someone who felt that many parts of GAF was insufferably annoying throughout the Neo/Scorpio/NX hype-cycle due to refusal to take what the platform holders were saying at face value, it's been refreshing to see that things are EXACTLY what they claimed it to be if you ignore all the marketing hyperbole.

 

[anothertech]

I don't think anyone seriously believed that

There's a few posters in this thread that have their avatars because of their belief in that lol, but you are right mostly.

Most of us expected MS to give us exactly what we got, in both components and price, however disappointing it ended up being.

I think the bigger surprise is the current exclusive situation which I am still shocked about after E3. I honestly thought they were saving 2 or 3 big surprises for the Xbonx launch. Im still a little shocked at the current Xbonx launch lineup.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

So the cheaper system had the better looking games in 2013 is the same as the significant more expensive system is also more powerful in 2017.

I mean it depends, right? The Xbox One S and Xbox One X provides both the cheapest (or on par with cheapest depending on your specific region and what sales might be going on) and most powerful box between the two of them. It's certainly nice to have both bases covered and there's a lot of people eager to downplay the importance of a performance lead.

 

[Nightengale]

I think the bigger surprise is the current exclusive situation which I am still shocked about after E3. I honestly thought they were saving 2 or 3 big surprises for the Xbonx launch. Im still a little shocked at the current Xbonx launch lineup.

To "hide" exclusives for the sake of the XB1X launch means also to "hide" XB1 exclusives till very close to release window.

For mid-gen consoles, the exclusives are shared between the OG and upgraded version anyway, so it makes limited sense to try and ride a faux-hype by delaying game announcements.

 

[I.R.I.S.]

Nobody said Microsoft wants to destroy PS4's lead in console gaming. I think they just are content to have a foothold while at the same time promoting Windows 10 and making money elsewhere.

They want to build up consumer goodwill with their Crossplay and porting of games to PC. Sony needs exclusives because they have no other choice.

 

[Neith]

It is weird. The philosophy behind it is not that much different than Sony and the Pro. Sony has said one of the main draws was to keep people locked into the PSN eco system instead of going to PC to have higher fidelity etc. MS took almost the same approach and by their own words they could have released a mid-generation system themselves last year as well, but they wanted to go a bit further with it and provide something more substantial in the hardware. It does baffle me how some can say it is pointless and who is it for or suggest that because they don't have the 1st party titles, they will not knock Sony on their ass. As I stated and MS themselves have stated the Xbox One S will be the number 1 selling console for MS and that the Xbox One X is meant for the player that wants a premium system, the most powerful system etc. It amuses me as well about when the price was announced and the outcry of some saying that it needed to be $399.99 or it is DOA and that they will never be able to fight Sony because of the price point etc. They made an enthusiast level system that even some PC enthusiasts have said for what it packs, $499.99 is a pretty good price. System is/was made to cater to the higher echelon of gamers that could give a damn about price if they want to have a high end console system (note I said console). Not sure how it is so hard for some to understand.

What? This is not true, and if M said this they are full of shit. They got caught completely without their pants off by Sony. They couldn't release jack because they had jack, and in reality had no clue whatsoever what Sony was planning. JUST LIKE LAUNCH. Microsoft has no idea what they are doing at this point. So the apologists can say what they want, but sales and game releases are proving otherwise.

You don't just release a console a year after a competitor just for shits and giggles because hey we wanted more power in there.

Sony is going to have the market to themselves at this point. Microsoft should have had something ready with games at the exact time Sony launched the mid gen if they were smart. They are going to be battling a Pro firing on all cylinders with more marketing and a much larger player base.

Launching at 500 right now means they are selling to previous owners basically. No one else is going to care on a massive scale.

For what is in there, it is a pretty good price. And if you are into the Xbox ecosystem it might be worth it. MIGHT. Because we have no idea when the next system is coming. As a 3 year rental I guess it is better than the OG Bone, which is pretty terrible all told IMO from a tech standpoint.

 

[Vinc]

Again, context matters.

All factors are compounded by one another.

The PS4 launched for cheaper, with better messaging and a better reputation, AND was more powerful. There was also the fact that by most accounts, the PS3 ended the generation far stronger than the 360 did.

Now we're talking about a mid-cycle refresh, where both platforms are already well established with the PS4 in the lead. The PS4 just offers more games, and seems to have a brighter future ahead of it. They already launched a powerful 4K console last year for cheaper, and had a stellar 2017 with no signs of slowing down in future years. Meanwhile, Microsoft has been having a rough gen, which each year weaker than the last, and the current one being the bleakest of them all. There's no promise of a future recovery, and they're launching a console that's, once again, $100 more expensive than the competition, with the only rectified issue being that it's now more powerful. Everyone will decide whether or not the power difference makes it worth investing into that platform instead of the PS4 or PS4 Pro, but there are no real compounding factors playing in Microsoft's favor. They literally JUST made a more powerful box, this time around.

Now I'm hoping the first party games that do come from them can be truly stellar and impossible to ignore. They need other wins very badly.

 

[Neith]

I mean, it has to be hard to find developers. Microsoft has the odd masterpiece here and there like Ori. I just wish they had more of those games. At any rate I think the X will do okay, but I have no idea what Microsoft is planning for the future. They really just need to bolster their 1st party any way possible. Sony has spent years and years making sure they gave good teams. Microsoft doesn't seem that concerned about it to be honest, and I'm not sure why. Maybe they have a few surprises coming.

 

[TLZ]

One thing I know for sure is I'm really excited to play a ton of multiplats and BC games and receive the benefit of the automatic uptick in IQ/FPS.

This and better multiplat versions is why I'm getting it.

What I wasn't sure about though is BC benefits. So we know for sure they're automatic and don't need patches?

I would have loved MS to finally support all 360 and OG games without having to wait to be added little by little. I want to pack up my 360 and OG consoles and just use the 1x to play all my discs.

 

[Madness]

So who are Eurogamer biased towards now? I can't keep up

Now the accusations of them ha ing a Sony bias will flare up...

But I agree. The price makes no sense. The console seems to be a stronger PS4 Pro. Good. PS4 Pro is again cheaper than the MS console with more games.

Power matters. But just as much as power matters, there needs to be a clear reason to get the console. When someone can get an Xbox One S for $199, which gives 4K output (not native games I know), gives HDR and UHD blu-ray, what is the $499 console for? Especially with the promise all Microsoft studios games will have Play Anywhere titles on W10/PC? If you have a gaming PC, you can play the next Forza, Halo, Gears. And having prettier multiplatform games is pointless if Sony moneyhats exclusivity into games like Destiny 2 etc.

No Scalebound, Crackdown 3 which looked like shit to be honest gets delayed into the next year. No Halo 3 Anniversary which at 4K/60fps would have sold like hotcakes as a launch title. MS has no clue. Eroded all their XBL superiority. Eroded all their NA/UK/Aus dominance from the Xbox 360 era.

 

[Vegetable Lasagna]

Now the accusations of them ha ing a Sony bias will flare up...

But I agree. The price makes no sense. The console seems to be a stronger PS4 Pro. Good. PS4 Pro is again cheaper than the MS console with more games.

Power matters. But just as much as power matters, there needs to be a clear reason to get the console. When someone can get an Xbox One S for $199, which gives 4K output (not native games I know), gives HDR and UHD blu-ray, what is the $499 console for? Especially with the promise all Microsoft studios games will have Play Anywhere titles on W10/PC? If you have a gaming PC, you can play the next Forza, Halo, Gears. And having prettier multiplatform games is pointless if Sony moneyhats exclusivity into games like Destiny 2 etc.

No Scalebound, Crackdown 3 which looked like shit to be honest gets delayed into the next year. No Halo 3 Anniversary which at 4K/60fps would have sold like hotcakes as a launch title. MS has no clue. Eroded all their XBL superiority. Eroded all their NA/UK/Aus dominance from the Xbox 360 era.

Just like Elite controllers were going to rot in a warehouse because no one is going to spend $200 on a controller...

1) No one gives a shit about pc that isn't a pc gamer already. People purchasing consoles purchase them for a reason. No one is switching between any platforms for Xbox ports or anything else.

2) Power does matter. 3rd party games are what sell consoles. We'll have to see how it works out for them. X isn't going to be their main seller and even Microsoft knows this. Thanks for reminding everyone though.

3) Who cares if you don't think the games look good or like what they have? Don't buy it then.

4) No, they haven't eroded all of their NA/UK/AUS/whatever dominance. They're still doing fine in these territories and continue to improve. The X will drop in price as the S has and still will. The S is still going to be the main seller just like the base PS4 is. Really, they have really turned around the Xbox One more than I could have imagined.

5) And eroded their XBL superiority? How exactly? Still the best service on consoles by a large margin.

6) Your posts are so edgy and cool. Props, yo.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

No, they haven't eroded all of their NA/UK/AUS/whatever dominance. They're still doing fine in these territories and continue to improve. The X will drop in price as the S has and still will. The S is still going to be the main seller just like the base PS4 is. Really, they have really turned around the Xbox One more than I could have imagined.

They were behind by over a million in the UK last time we work things .
They are down YoY so far in the USA which is there strongest market .
Saying they are doing find and have turn things around is being rather nice .

I expect the XB1X to sell well in the first few months at least in the usa but the question is if it going to last .

 

[Neith]

To me Microsoft has been caught up in the worst of wars. They put the UHD player in the lesser console, so not it looks like less of a great feature in the better console, and they still have the 500 bucks thing going along with very few killer apps.

Uhg, I wish it was better for them. At least Cuphead looks amazing. They really need to put Ori 2 on Steam as well. That game needs to sell, and they are doing it no favors by doing their store only bullshit. Same with Horizon 3. Just open the floodgates at this point.

 

[gamz]

To me Microsoft has been caught up in the worst of wars. They put the UHD player in the lesser console, so not it looks like less of a great feature in the better console, and they still have the 500 bucks thing going along with very few killer apps.

Uhg, I wish it was better for them. At least Cuphead looks amazing. They really need to put Ori 2 on Steam as well. That game needs to sell, and they are doing it no favors by doing their store only bullshit. Same with Horizon 3. Just open the floodgates at this point.

There's a Ori 2 because Ori sold.

Don't think you need to be concerned about Ori 2 of all games.

 

[shoepolishsmelling]

That's pretty well said. I definitely couldn't say I'm disappointed in the One X hardware. I do wish it was $100 cheaper, but it is what it is.



Lol. Give me a break. No need to be so dramatic about it.

Buy what you like.

I wouldn't say I was being overly dramatic, it was a rhetorical question. Some of the posts in this thread are way more dramatic.
I think I might like the X but the fact that it's going to be the newest Xbox version is enough for me to pre order, i did not buy a Xbox one S because the X was en route. I don't think much could make me part ways with the elite controller though.