Yup in the US but I can see it grow a little more WW, there is nothing Microsoft can do this generation to catch up with Sony but I really think as hardware standpoint, the X is a great product that'll find its audience
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WindowsCentral: Xbox One X Amazon pre-orders surpass PS4 Pro YTD for 2017
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Yup in the US but I can see it grow a little more WW, there is nothing Microsoft can do this generation to catch up with Sony but I really think as hardware standpoint, the X is a great product that'll find its audience
I didnt realise that, it's been the opposite for the xbox one s
FacelessSamurai
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I really hope they have a Halo 6 for next Christmas to be honest.
Xbox One X doesn't need games to sell itself this year, but next year it will need something extra to sell even though it will most likely be getting anywhere from 50 to 100$ in price cuts. While all the delayed and new games coming out will help, they'll need a heavy hitter for Christmas, and Halo is that game along with FH4.
If I were MS, I'd have a Halo 6 bundle with both Xbox One S and Xbox One X, basically giving away your best selling franchise but getting new people into your ecosystem. And if it truest showcases the Xbox One X, they won't have a hard time selling their true 4k system.
LukasTaves
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it will, but it'll be an audience of a bout 5-10 million, tops. they priced themselves out if it being anything more than that.
VincentMatts
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I have a pro too, i'm basically getting it for forza, gears, halo etc
Well, if it's $300 within a couple years and there's still no Ps5 I could see it doing more like 20mil.
wapplew
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I think Sea of thieves have the potential to be the Splatoon of Xbox. It's fresh, unique with a lot of charm, GAF is sleeping on it.
Don't forget PUBG, Xbox version alone might surpass Zelda BoTW LTD (already outsold it on PC) when all said and done, can't be more system seller than that.
Don't read too much into it.
Seriously though it would be an issue for MS if ore-orders weren't high.
In context of market you'd expect heavier upgrade activity than with Pro.
The One X will launch and sell well on upgrading customers and new Cbix customers. The bugger question is will it raise baseline sales once dust settles from launch peak?
No way to know until a ways after launch but that's the real test of whether it's just the preferred model or a demand generator.
I say the above as Pro vs PS4 is a modest boost for 1080p TV folks and the base PS4 mustlt gets solid 1080p versions of games hence the Pro was always going to be more modest ratio wise even at launch as it wasn't as attractive as an immediate upgrade.
For Xbox fans the X represents a real jump, going from a console designed to accommodate Kinect in its price point with many big games at 900p or 720p to a console unshackled from
Kinect that will offer a great 1080p experience.
Thus while like Pro the will appeal to the niche with 4K I believe it will have higher appeal to base on 1080p TVs to upgrade.
Seriously though it would be an issue for MS if ore-orders weren't high.
In context of market you'd expect heavier upgrade activity than with Pro.
The One X will launch and sell well on upgrading customers and new Cbix customers. The bugger question is will it raise baseline sales once dust settles from launch peak?
No way to know until a ways after launch but that's the real test of whether it's just the preferred model or a demand generator.
I say the above as Pro vs PS4 is a modest boost for 1080p TV folks and the base PS4 mustlt gets solid 1080p versions of games hence the Pro was always going to be more modest ratio wise even at launch as it wasn't as attractive as an immediate upgrade.
For Xbox fans the X represents a real jump, going from a console designed to accommodate Kinect in its price point with many big games at 900p or 720p to a console unshackled from
Kinect that will offer a great 1080p experience.
Thus while like Pro the will appeal to the niche with 4K I believe it will have higher appeal to base on 1080p TVs to upgrade.
what was the last console that dropped $200 after only 2 years on the market?
The xbone...
I mean maybe not officially because of dropping kinect, and maybe official price was $350, but it was reliably had at $300 I'm pretty sure by fall 2015 iirc.
And that's fine, really.
Panaphonics
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Where? Receipts?
Captain Tuttle
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Really? Talk about console wars haha, that's nuts
WhiskerFrisker
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Forza and certain third party games for me. No offense but I don't think Gears is that good.
It was $350 with bundled games in fall of 2014. So, within a year effectively a $200 price drop. Yeah it lost kinect but the launch msrp was $500 with no games. I'm pretty sure it could be reliably had on sale for $300 pretty much since 2015 even if official msrp was $350 but usually with bundled game(s). And MS dropped kinect as a means to drop msrp, so I think it's fair game.
exactly. it's all Sony/MS expect from these iterative launches. they said so themselves. the base consoles will always be their big earners and big sellers. these are just niche products for the comparatively few who care.
that was a completely different SKU though. and what exactly are MS going to remove from the X box to drop it by $100? lol
EDIT : after 2 years the X will be $100 cheaper than it currently is...if that. they have no other way to drop the price like they did with kinect. unless they lose the controller and cables or something.
I actually think the X has a good chance of doing 1/3 to 1/2 of total xbone sales though. Not so with ps4 pro. I see the X essentially replacing the xbone in the next couple years as the volume leader, and that hasn't happened with pro and may not ever happen. I think MS will be aggressive on price drops with it and will continue to effectively market it as the most powerful console. Essentially, the X is closer to who what the xbone should have been at launch, as far as brand identity with MS releasing very powerful consoles.
Bits N Pieces
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I wonder when pre orders go live for the non special edition?
This still has months worth of pre order time before November as well. Going to make for interesting threads on here no matter which way it goes
This still has months worth of pre order time before November as well. Going to make for interesting threads on here no matter which way it goes
They could drop the optical drive, they may not have to drop anything. We don't know what the bom is on it right now and what it will be in 2 years. And MS isn't exactly afraid of losing money on hardware to penetrate market share.
There's some rustled jimmies in here..
From what I gather the article clearly states the Xbox One X amazon pre-orders have surpassed all PS4 Pros sold through Amazon in the US from Jan 2017 to present..? No matter how you try and spin that it's undeniably impressive and shows a significant group of people want to own this console.
From what I gather the article clearly states the Xbox One X amazon pre-orders have surpassed all PS4 Pros sold through Amazon in the US from Jan 2017 to present..? No matter how you try and spin that it's undeniably impressive and shows a significant group of people want to own this console.
then you're expecting something even MS aren't. it won't happen. not by the time the next gen starts. in which case it's for naught since everyone will move on.
yes they are, otherwise they would have done it already with the xbone. if they weren't afraid of losing money they could have simply under cut the PS4 by $100 from the beginning and wrapped up this gen right there and then.
I bet there will be holiday sales on it for $300 by holiday 2019. The PS5 hype will be fully underway by then most likely and it will start to be kind of the last push for MS to move the X.
Fair assessment. It reminds me of the times people were saying the Elite controller was too expensive and too niche. Obviously people continue to underestimate the general populace and that too sold out and sold well very quickly out the gate.
Primethius
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While one can hope, I honestly don't think that's gonna happen. Sony is in a "no fucks given" mode for the Pro. Especially when it comes to 1080p owners (look at that terrible 5.0 update for example).
gundamkyoukai
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The problem for MS is there base console is not doing to well right now.
For Sony they don't have to worry much because PS4 selling so good .
In the long run for MS either sales for XB1S need to going up or they need XB1X to sell at a higher percentage than Sony PS4 pro .
Pretty much...specially for pre-orders. People may just want to reserve a unit in case it sells out like the Switch, since Amazon doesn't charge until the item actually ships. The real metric will be when it actually launches, and whether or not people kept those Amazon pre-orders.
And we won't know whether the XBX is a sales monster until 3-6 months after launch.
Deputy Moonman
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The switch is far more dependent on exclusives than the xbox will ever be. And i still get annoyed that people praise the switch for breath of the wild when it was supposed to be a wii u exclusive. If delaying zelda panned put for Nintendo then delaying crackdown 3 can definitely be a big plus for microsoft.
Totally agree. 2018 will be looked at as an awesome year for Microsoft. Why rush a single exclusive in 2017 that may or may not have a meaningful impact given the negative image of the xbox this Q4 when you can package it as one of the better lineups for next year instead. Much better marketing strategy to wait imo. Plus crackdown 3 will be all the better for the extra developent time. It would have added to microsoft's many 1st party disasters to have C3 come out this year and review horribly.
If Nintendo can sell 20mil switches in roughly the same time period I don't see why it's that crazy. If it does sort of replace the Xbone as the volume leader it would be basically the same sales rate as the xbone. But yeah MS isn't going to overproduce 10mil of these out of the gate, but if it does extremely well starting out I could see them shipping a ton of them. Where does the Xbox one rank in these Amazon rankings for 2017? Are the pre-orders for the X even that far behind current xbone sales?
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It could also indicate that a substantial number of scalpers think they can make a fast buck by ebaying these launch editions. Seems like something we see with every supply constrained launch.
Exactly. If MS isn't treating this like they expect to sell pretty well I'd be surprised. The xbone is by no means a failure but they are getting their asses handed to them by sony right now, and I do think it's because the xbone has always been a weaker proposition than the ps4, this may change things a bit.
It absolutely needs to be $400 by next holiday though if they want to move a lot of them.
Dredd97
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it's good that they did, but it's a year late, using a years worth of better tech and hindsight..
it better be fucking spectacular or i'll be miffed too... :/
NoMoreTrolls
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This is a console that has sold around 30 million units to date with a current price of $250 to $300; you expect a niche, high end revision priced at 2x the S to sell over 60% of that?
Assuming Xbox One LTD sales hits 50 or 60 million (already pretty generous) by the time the Xbox Two is released, they'd basically have to stop selling anything but the Xbox One X fron this point forward. 20 million is an astronomically high estimate for the Xbox One X's sales potential.
I think it's going to be a success for MS, but people need to keep their expectations in check. 20% adoption point-forward would be fantastic for a box that's twice as expensive.
Perhaps it is. It's good for the industry if it happens though. I just think the X is far more compelling than the xbone ever has been. I think maybe that will result in very good sales for it in the US at least.
Yup, that's where I land, Maybe it will outsell the pro but I don't think that is guarenteed especially at the price.
It is a more compelling product than the original xbox one but not really more compelling than a xbox one s especially at 200 dollars more. IT will sell out initally to everyone that wants one but I don't see it doing that well after that.
by which point sony will have an even cheaper PRO and an even cheaper base model. this is the thing, MS and their consoles don't exist in a bubble, no-ones do. for every year we have to wait for more software to be announced the competition is announcing more software too. for every year we wait for prices to drop. the competition is dropping prices too. they're chasing something they can't catch. playstations sales would have to flat out stop for them to close the gap any.
gundamkyoukai
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That would be awful for MS if XB1S sales stay at there current rate .
Of course this is after the hardcore buy it in the first few months .
Goalus
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Exactly.
I feel like I'm drowning in great exclusive games on my Xbox, hope I'll have the time to check them all out.
Do you honestly believe the number of scalper pre-orders is significant enough to change the assessment of this article?
Some things to consider before seeing this as a huge win for Xbox, which it is as far as interest is concerned, but is still very much unknown with regards to raw sales figures.
There are still too many unknowns to get me up to those higher levels of excitement for Xbox, and we likely won't see the full picture until next year. Still, it's good to see the X "outselling"* the Pro** this early in its life cycle.
If I've missed anything that may paint a clearer picture, definitely point it out (citations would also be a plus). This post also isn't meant to be console wars bait, just an objective look at what this data does or doesn't tell us.
*Preorder v. soldthrough to end user.
**Based on Amazon US sales ranking of single, base model product pages.
- Amazon != the entire US market.
- US market != WW market.
- Amazon has a "hassle-free" preorder model, meaning that no money is exchanged at the time of preorder, only when the preorder ships. This could lead to anywhere from 0% to 100% of these being fulfilled, depending on whether there are any customer or Amazon initiated cancelations, whether through lack of disposable funds or overselling their allotment, and anything in between.
- There have been multiple Pro product pages throughout 2017 that don't count towards the sales of the base model on Amazon's ranking list. Same with One S.
- Do we know the breakdown of percentage of preorders among the top 5 US retailers?
There are still too many unknowns to get me up to those higher levels of excitement for Xbox, and we likely won't see the full picture until next year. Still, it's good to see the X "outselling"* the Pro** this early in its life cycle.
If I've missed anything that may paint a clearer picture, definitely point it out (citations would also be a plus). This post also isn't meant to be console wars bait, just an objective look at what this data does or doesn't tell us.
*Preorder v. soldthrough to end user.
**Based on Amazon US sales ranking of single, base model product pages.
It will be 2020 at the very latest, I would think 2019 is extremely plausible because it's 3 years after the pro and 7 years after the inital ps4 launch.
Yes
Well, the X actually has some potential to force Sony to move, if the X starts selling extremely well and then multiplats start to completely leave the ps4 in the dust from a graphics perspective. Sony could of course start pushing the pro harder with a price drop and marketing to effectively combat the X though to hold for a Ps5 until 2020 or 2021. I think by 2019 though we will start to hear some concrete rumblings at least about Ps5. A fall 2020 release is a 7 year life cycle, and 4 years after pro release. Both systems will be looking long in the tooth a bit even by fall 2019, with the X looking relatively advanced.
It's also going to depend on tech a bit, if amd has 7nm APUs with Navi ready to go by fall 2019 sony might just go ahead and pull the trigger. That actually seems unlikely though so unless a complete flippening to Nvidia is happening then yeah 2020 or 21 may be more likely.
NoMoreTrolls
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$500 is a lot to swallow for the mass market, especially for a console that plays the same games at double the price. The X's appeal was always going to be strong for the hardcore audience, but at this point in the console generation most of the sales for the X will be from people upgrading their old consoles, whether that's a vanilla PS4 or Xbox One. The mass market is very price sensitive, and 4 years into the cycle, the grand majority of total console sales will be to that casual market.