Kenzodielocke
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That's a fucking high horse you are sitting on, jett.
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UK: Destiny 2 is year's biggest retail launch, but retail down 58% from Destiny 1
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That's a fucking high horse you are sitting on, jett.
SolicitorPirate
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True, but let's be honest, there's no way the digital market has grown enough in 3 years to make up for 58%. In the UK, Destiny 2 very likely saw a significantly smaller release compared to Destiny 1
GametimeUK
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I'm very big on buying physical games. I see it far superior than downloading digitally in almost every way. However, with Destiny being always online it kind of eliminates a big part of the physical appeal to me. Low resale value, a game I will always want to boot up, the disc is useless after the servers close down... it just seems always online games may aswel be bought digital for me.
SolicitorPirate
Member
I don't know about anyone else, but I honestly can't bring myself to care at this point. Expecting intelligent commentary on Destiny on GAF is like expecting my cat to learn English
lol I spent 300 hours on D1 and am looking forward to the PC version. I was certainly not calling myself stupid.
But people know what it is now, and a lot of people that bought D1 didn't care for it, and D2 is largely the same experience.
Just like Halo 5
Gai Murakumo
Member
For the amount I played Destiny 1 on and off as well as Destiny 2 now, digital was the only way to go.
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KormaChameleon
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No, Digital prices in the UK are far too expensive for digital downloads.
Mister Megative
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Weren't preorders said to be higher than D1? There were 1.2 million concurrent players the other day.
Something isn't jiving here.
Something isn't jiving here.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The numbers are pretty bad but lets be honest, people play that game so much it's probably easier to have it on the system at all times without ever putting the disc in.
ethomaz
Banned
Yeap and these "wised" gamers are losing one of the best experiences this generation delivered.
BTW the 1.2m concurrent players makes no sense if D2 is down in others places like UK.
2 million userbase can't generate 1.2m comcurrent.
Crimson_Gold
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Is your cat Puss in Boots?
SnowFlakeCake
Member
As good as Destiny 2 is, the game is what Destiny 1 should have been in the first place. I have not played D1 since release but immediately a lot of the enemies seem like rehashes, particularly the robot ones come to mind. It's pretty crazy that Bungie had 1000 working on this yet they could not design new enemies, unless they are holding back enemies in which case the fuck.
Very much Destiny 1.5, there being rehashes of enemies makes this feel like an expansion pack.
Very much Destiny 1.5, there being rehashes of enemies makes this feel like an expansion pack.
Exploratory
Banned
Anyone who thinks that is pretty dumb imo. The whole point of the game is to play as the expansions come out. That's like saying I'll wait 10 years and buy the world of Warcraft chest with all the expansions.
And it still is going to end up being one of the best selling games of the year + the PC version should cover most of that "lost" audience.
This is the UK, where the Xbox name still has relevancy. Also, not many people care about an extra exotic and strike, and then there's the thing that Destiny isn't a franchise that has a special affiliation with any platform.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
The split is bigger.
I think it all points towards purchases being made by existing players .
Especially when you look at the player base between Xbox and PlayStation with the original game
There is a difference of about 25% this time when it was almost neck and neck with the original
ExtinctionEvent
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Your post was still shit.
Seems about right really given context and the undeniable element of confusion/uncertainty about what you were really getting with Destiny and how it's expansions play out.
Those who found it to their liking are back right away. Those who didn't have dropped off. Add to that loss of last gen consoles minus (thus far) the balancing factor of adding PC and I'm not really surprised its down (and even a better digital ration won't stop it being down overall IMO).
Nothing about D2 marketing looked likely to attract new players in a big way thus there was no influx to balance out those who dropped out after finding the Destiny model wasn't really for them (at least at launch prices)
It's still a good opening in the UK and biggest of year isn't anything to sniff at. What'll be interesting is how WoM drives legs and what PC adds (if I do get it it'll be PC for example) and whether long term, if the game is a better iteration (which is my takeaway in general from reviews and WoM so far) it can recover some of the install base lost at launch vs D1.
Those who found it to their liking are back right away. Those who didn't have dropped off. Add to that loss of last gen consoles minus (thus far) the balancing factor of adding PC and I'm not really surprised its down (and even a better digital ration won't stop it being down overall IMO).
Nothing about D2 marketing looked likely to attract new players in a big way thus there was no influx to balance out those who dropped out after finding the Destiny model wasn't really for them (at least at launch prices)
It's still a good opening in the UK and biggest of year isn't anything to sniff at. What'll be interesting is how WoM drives legs and what PC adds (if I do get it it'll be PC for example) and whether long term, if the game is a better iteration (which is my takeaway in general from reviews and WoM so far) it can recover some of the install base lost at launch vs D1.
Trickster
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Yeap and these "wised" gamers are losing one of the best experiences this generation delivered.
BTW the 1.2m concurrent players makes no sense if D2 is down in others places like UK.
2 million userbase can't generate 1.2m comcurrent.
Don't think anyone is expecting this to only have sold 2 million. Probably closer to 5+ at this point
SolidSnakeUS
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I wonder if it's because so many people are waiting for the PC version?
Honestly, if you didn't like Destiny:The Taken King, you won't like Destiny 2 much more. IMO, the game is very much in the same vein.
Yes, the story missions are better and yes the patrol areas have more to do, but overall it's largely more of the same thing. Once you are done with the story, the grind starts and imo, the grind feels a lot like the grind in Taken King. "Do activity X until getting enough of resource Y to get a new item that raises your power level 1-2 points.
I would argue it might be slightly worse, actually, in that the vendors in d1 allowed you to get pretty big jumps in light level on gear pretty quickly with marks. Seems to be more RNG in D2
I still expected it to be bigger, though. Again, exclusive marketing and bundles. It seems the split is at what the platform split is.
Ah.
AHA-Lambda
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Wow, guess there was a lot of people like me who bought Destiny at launch, fucking hated it, and never looked back.
I'd have worded it slightly differently but I don't think Jett is far off. The people who liked Destiny really liked it, but a lot of these people who were caught up in the early gen hype won't be coming back, they've learned their lesson and have more options now.
I'm sure digital will play a part, but I think Bungie and Activision will have to work pretty hard to get those people back
Kenzodielocke
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Well, to be perfectly correct:
PS4/3 vs Xbox 360/One was 51/49 with Destiny.
PS4 vs Xbox One is 58/42 with Destiny 2.
ExtinctionEvent
Banned
Every sequel is doing more of the same. Destiny is not unique in that regard
ethomaz
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If the similar drop...
D1 sold around 5 million week one... 58% drop is 2.1 million for D2. Even accounting high digital you will have around 3 million week one.
3 million didn't fit 1.2 million concurrent.
Unless of course it is up outside UK.
GlamFM
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Yearsoflurking
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That's essentially the platform split regardless of marketing.
Which is, again, considering exclusive marketing and bundles, a split I wasn't expecting.
Death Penalty
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Anecdotally, I'm definitely one of the ones who went into Destiny sailing on hype and then ended up not getting the game I thought I would be. I don't hate it, but I won't be coming back for seconds.
At this point, Anthem looks like it may deliver what I wanted from Destiny, but we all know to be wary of early showings by now.
At this point, Anthem looks like it may deliver what I wanted from Destiny, but we all know to be wary of early showings by now.
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RumbleHumble
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This sounds right. Expect D2 numbers to be lower in all territories, frankly. D1 wasn't a known quantity at the time outside being the next big thing from Bungie and Activision. At the time, we'd only just started to see major releases come out for the hardware.
D2 is a much more known product this time, resulting in far less people getting burned, but also resulting in lower sales.
D2 is a much more known product this time, resulting in far less people getting burned, but also resulting in lower sales.
ExtinctionEvent
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In the UK? Wtf were you expecting?
ethomaz
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Yeap something is not right or outside UK saw a big boost that offset the drop in UK.
Melchiah
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Nope. I put +600 hours into it, but I wouldn't have returned if I hadn't gotten TTK for free. It's the hefty price of expansions that mostly prevents me from getting the game before year two. I learned my lesson, when Dark Below came out and locked me out of weekly content.
Well, Destiny 2 doesn't fit the term "generic" or "military" so that would be a problem.
ExtinctionEvent
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People are jumping the gun based on uK. Let's see how it does elsewhere, preorders were bigger than d1 and concurrent users show a big launch.
GlamFM
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SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
I mean it was obvious it would not reach D1 numbers, D1 hype was insane even on GAF, we had like 3-4 OTs full on launch week. D2 OT is still in its first interation.
There isn't anything like it in the market except for Warframe.
There isn't anything like it in the market except for Warframe.
ExtinctionEvent
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Based in what? We know nothing of anthem, and good luck to bio ware matching bungies gameplay.
Well two things are at play here; 1)the game did massively well elsewhere which is definitely possible or 2)the digital attach rate is massive which would be more significant for the industry moving forward.