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[daviyoung]

Have I Got News For You (a satirical show in UK) had both Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson as guests. Johnson even headed up the show for an episode.

HIGNFY, Colbert, Daily Show etc are populist satires and very safe and warm, but they are still not there to confirm or deny your political views.

The media narratives are still played into, and that's what makes these shows cosy. They go after a person's media personality, rather than anything substantial. Johnson is a hapless buffoon, Spicer had a horrible boss.

It's easy, it greases the wheels and the circus keeps moving.

 

[Lime]

Calling out collaborators with oppressive powers "purity tests" is peak apathetic centrism.

Just admit you don't care about people's suffering and would prefer our silence

 

[Dr.Acula]

I also don't agree with these purity tests where someone who's been anti-Trump, leftist 99% of the time gets boycotted for some misstep. Sure, criticise Colbert for going along with this, but saying you're completely against Colbert now is dumb.

 

[entremet]

Calling out collaborators with oppressive powers "purity tests" is peak apathetic centrism.

Just admit you don't care about people's suffering and would prefer our silence

How do you know what Colbert, Noah, and company do with their private funds and time? Or does just having these folks on their programs invalidate any political effort they may have done, even if done in humor? God forbid people can laugh about this daily disaster known as the Trump Administration.

 

[tbm24]

Why the reflexive defense then when you yourself acknowledge it was stupid

I put Fallon in a separate category, the same as Trump's SNL episode if you want to get into the discussion of what normalizing these people looks like. They're just more gross than the other.

 

[The Hermit]

Have I Got News For You (a satirical show in UK) had both Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson as guests. Johnson even headed up the show for an episode.

HIGNFY, Colbert, Daily Show etc are populist satires and very safe and warm, but they are still not there to confirm or deny your political views.

The media narratives are still played into, and that's what makes these shows cosy. They go after a person's media personality, rather than anything substantial. Johnson is a hapless buffoon, Spicer had a horrible boss.

It's easy, it greases the wheels and the circus keeps moving.

If this was Reddit I would upvote this

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I put Fallon in a separate category, the same as Trump's SNL episode if you want to get into the discussion of what normalizing these people looks like. They're just more gross than the other.

I see

 

[kess]

I'll never forget this. This will forever be a stain in Stephen Colbert's legacy in my book.

Remember back before the election when he had one of repeating "confession" features where he said he didn't think Trump would be the worst president ever? Yeah, it's a bit like that.

Yeah, multi-tiered jokes and all that but this isn't the time to be clever. Ha ha, the EPA is run by a climate denier. Playing mind games with a meat puppet while the world burns.

 

[Stinkles]

Spicer is an actual politician who had a real hand in shaping the awful narratives Trump expected us to swallow while Tomi Lahren is a 20-something daytime tv host.
Heck of a difference.


HOLD.
THE.
FUCK.
UP.

Are we really doing this again?

Really?

Tomi lost her job because of pro-choice statements she said off the show. Her fanbase turned on her because she was pro-choice. Noah did shit all to make her lose her job.

Fuck. Right wingers saw her appearance on the show as a win.

First Milo, now Tomi. Y'all just love rewriting history.

I like your all caps but that's not what I meant. The reason she's not on Fox broadcast is because she's terrible, something Trevor Noah's show exposed to an entirely (from Fox's POV) irrelevant audience. Not that he "showed Fox" or cost her the job (she got it AFTER that show).

But please carry on. And yes I also inferred Milo was great or something?

 

[V_Arnold]

Yes if you commit an act of fraud you should face consequences.

How fucking broken are some people's moral compasses?

And get some perspective. You are trying to portray Sean Spicer, an extremely wealthy, powerful individual who accepted a role as White House Press Secretary for political reasons to a waitress in a casino. They are not in the same galaxy in terms of culpability.

You think my moral compass is broken because I think Sean appearing here is better than him not appearing here and still insisting on the inaguration numbers being correct? Wow, jesus fucking christ.

I am not portraying Sean Spicer an inch better than he is: a spineless employee to a morally bankrupt and childish Trump-administration. But the outrage levels of some of these posts that want to see "every Trump-employee" locked up (seriously? Trump's driver too? Fuck him, right?) and being outraged at a comedy appearence is simply pure hypocrisy. There are way more important things to get outraged over.

Btw, so from now on, Colbert is THE ENEMY?
Did I get this right? Should he be locked up as well? None of the things he did previously matter from now on? Game over for him! And people who do not disassociate themselves from Colbert too. That surely means Jon Stewart is a Trump supporter now. Right? Because this kind of reasoning leads right towards there.

 

[Kinyou]

The real Sean Spicer just replacing the Melissa McCarthy spoof version doesn't feel quite right

 

[Oersted]

You think my moral compass is broken because I think Sean appearing here is better than him not appearing here and still insisting on the inaguration numbers being correct? Wow, jesus fucking christ.

I am not portraying Sean Spicer an inch better than he is: a spineless employee to a morally bankrupt and childish Trump-administration. But the outrage levels of some of these posts that want to see "every Trump-employee" locked up (seriously? Trump's driver too? Fuck him, right?) and being outraged at a comedy appearence is simply pure hypocrisy. There are way more important things to get outraged over.

Btw, so from now on, Colbert is THE ENEMY?
Did I get this right? Should he be locked up as well? None of the things he did previously matter from now on? Game over for him! And people who do not disassociate themselves from Colbert too. That surely means Jon Stewart is a Trump supporter now. Right? Because this kind of reasoning leads right towards there.

One day you will learn the difference between criticism and outrage.

Not holding my breath.

 

[ZeoVGM]

A lot of people are now disappointed at Colbert. Being all buddy buddy with these shits. Trevor Noah with Tomi Lahren, Fallon with Trump, and now Colbert with Sean Spicer.
https://twitter.com/_chloi/status/909643713298567168

Yeah, this is definitely a bit much.

Believe in nothing and stand for nothing? Get the hell out of here, that's nonsense.

 

[V_Arnold]

One day you will learn the difference between criticism and outrage.

Not holding my breath.

Someday, someeeeeday. (Or maybe I was not responding to those that just disliked the joke or found it tasteless. Completely reasonable stances.) Edit: see, right below me.

 

[Glass Shark]

Or does just having these folks on their programs invalidate any political effort they may have done, even if done in humor?

Yes. Don’t give fascists a platform. Simple as that.

 

[Arkeband]

The real Sean Spicer just replacing the Melissa McCarthy spoof version doesn't feel quite right

That's the point.

Did anyone here actually watch the Emmys? After they came back from commercials Colbert called Spicer the Wizard of Lies (saying that's a more apt title for Spicer than it is for DeNiro's Madoff flick), making it clear to the room that Spicer is not "in" on the joke.

He did not exonerate him in any way, Spicer was his monkey for the night and he made him dance for the audience the way Trump made him dance for the press corps.

Spicer was already doing a circuit. Even Sarah Huckabee Sanders and her ridiculous father were on The View, spouting more lies and rehearsed folksy soundbytes. If people actually feel somehow betrayed by this then they need to stop doing and consuming it themselves, not cherry picking when it best suits them to suddenly give a fuck based on the maximum amount of likes and retweets are going to occur.

 

[Crimson-Death]

If the Emmys was a person, it would be Jimmy Fallon.

LOL so fucking true.

 

[Loudninja]

I am not going to laugh at a piece of trash getting humanize really pisses me off.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Never expect anything good from people

 

[Oersted]

Someday, someeeeeday. (Or maybe I was not responding to those that just disliked the joke or found it tasteless. Completely reasonable stances.)

You are raging, not just responding.

So yeah, someday.

 

[Lois_Lane]

I like your all caps but that's not what I meant. The reason she's not on Fox broadcast is because she's terrible, something Trevor Noah's show exposed to an entirely (from Fox's POV) irrelevant audience. Not that he "showed Fox" or cost her the job (she got it AFTER that show).

But please carry on. And yes I also inferred Milo was great or something?

Why do you believe this? What evidence do you have to support this assertion? Is it possible she's on Fox digital not because they think she's terrible but because they want to court the rising alt-right millennial demographic?

And I brought up Milo because you're doing what Bill Maher fans are doing. Attributing negative consequences, despite little to no supporting evidence, to some comedian. Fox News has zero issues keeping out and out creeps like Eric Bolling, why would Tomi be any worse especially when she's got the sexy white blonde lady bump.

 

[Vermillion]

Everyone here was laughing when Trump made the joke about Melania.

Granted, that was before Trump became President, but he had already started a number of the despicable things he did in office. Was already sexist then, already racist, already waging war against the media.

You can laugh at self-aware humor. Fine line between that and normalizing, but it's possible to despise someone and appreciate the fact they know they fucked up.

EDIT: IDK if it's always been this way, but many people seem to be super emotionally-driven these days. I guess that's what happens when you have a guy like Trump in the White House, though.

 

[lednerg]

Fucken loved it. It was hilarious. Working class liberals are now all shook, realizing that the rich media elite just aren't that into them. It's so funny.

 

[Discotheque]

Yeah, this is definitely a bit much.

Believe in nothing and stand for nothing? Get the hell out of here, that's nonsense.

Yeah I think it was a poor misstep from Colbert but to throw his character in the bushes for it like that tweet is doing is absurd.

 

[Slayven]

You never out for long when you got white supremacy in your back pocket.

 

[Loudninja]

You never out for long when you got white supremacy in your back pocket.

Its damn annoying none of this is funny at all.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

If only Hollywood elite liberals were a fraction as useful as the right thinks they are. They don't give a shit.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Some of you guys are really taking this too serious.

 

[danm999]

You think my moral compass is broken because I think Sean appearing here is better than him not appearing here and still insisting on the inaguration numbers being correct? Wow, jesus fucking christ.

Yes.

You are trying to excuse his vile and caustic actions as "just doing a job", ignoring that he was an extremely powerful individual who served with the Republican party for years before Trump who could have done pretty much anything else but decided to get in front of every camera in the nation and talk about how it wasn't a Muslim ban and that gosh golly gee at least Hitler didn't use chemical weapons.

Not to mention the attempt to portray him as powerless as someone in a menial position like a waitress in a casino is particularly lacking in perspective and common sense. Unnecessarily shitting on the little guy.

Spicer had power. Still does. He wielded it cruely and unwisely and you attempting to pretend he was just some cog in a vast machine is hogwash.

I am not portraying Sean Spicer an inch better than he is: a spineless employee to a morally bankrupt and childish Trump-administration. But the outrage levels of some of these posts that want to see "every Trump-employee" locked up (seriously? Trump's driver too? Fuck him, right?) and being outraged at a comedy appearence is simply pure hypocrisy. There are way more important things to get outraged over.

There's that disingenuous comparison again.

Btw, so from now on, Colbert is THE ENEMY?
Did I get this right? Should he be locked up as well? None of the things he did previously matter from now on? Game over for him! And people who do not disassociate themselves from Colbert too. That surely means Jon Stewart is a Trump supporter now. Right? Because this kind of reasoning leads right towards there.

Yes I suppose there's really no way to feel Spicer should be accountable for his actions without locking up Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. It's a slippery slope after all.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

arent these the same type of people who stood up and clapped for polanski and frequently work to ensure minorities are underrepresented in media or represented in extreme, stereotypical ways

 

[Loudninja]

Some of you guys are really taking this too serious.

And some not taking it serious enough we been though this stuff time and time again.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I thought it was the best gag of the night for pure awkwardness.

No one knew if they should laugh or scream it was great.

The rest of the show was dull mastabatory garbage.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Some of you guys are really taking this too serious.

Aside from Trump winning I don't think there could be a more obvious example of America treating it's politics like show biz and it still isn't serious.

 

[FourMyle]

Yeah, this is definitely a bit much.

Believe in nothing and stand for nothing? Get the hell out of here, that's nonsense.

Keep doing this. I love it. The more liberals show themselves to be this apathetic and clueless the more and more americans will move to the left.

You and all the other liberals ITT are doing god's work

 

[V_Arnold]

Yes.

You are trying to excuse his vile and caustic actions as "just doing a job", ignoring that he was an extremely powerful individual who served with the Republican party for years before Trump who could have done pretty much anything else but decided to get in front of every camera in the nation and talk about how it wasn't a Muslim ban and that gosh golly gee at least Hitler didn't use chemical weapons.

Not to mention the attempt to portray him as powerless as someone in a menial position like a waitress in a casino is particularly lacking in perspective and common sense. Unnecessarily shitting on the little guy.

Spicer had power. Still does. He wielded it cruely and unwisely and you attempting to pretend he was just some cog in a vast machine is hogwash.

You see, context matters.
1) I never defended nor praised Sean Spicer for what he did
2) However, that does not mean that I do not think him showing up in an awards show like this, making a joke out of himself was a pretty good choice.
3) I am not trying to rate Sean's job as a politician. However, when it comes to what his role was in the Trump-administration, he was powerless, or am I wrong? He literally had to leave his spine at home, and just justify a senile old man's ramblings. That was his job. Spinster without a spine.

You see? Plenty of space between "lock him up" and admitting fault/guild while appreciating this comedic bit.

Talking about taste, THIS is actualy comedy which I found rather tasteless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Qq-RPYb_I
And still, even this does not "disqualify" the show's past good bits. But its bad.

 

[Demoskinos]

What did he do? Wasn’t he just doing his job?

I mean the nazis were just following Hitlers orders so....

 

[Lois_Lane]

You see, context matters.
1) I never defended nor praised Sean Spicer for what he did
2) However, that does not mean that I do not think him showing up in an awards show like this, making a joke out of himself was a pretty good choice.
3) I am not trying to rate Sean's job as a politician. However, when it comes to what his role was in the Trump-administration, he was powerless, or am I wrong? He literally had to leave his spine at home, and just justify a senile old man's ramblings. That was his job. Spinster without a spine.

You see? Plenty of space between "lock him up" and admitting fault/guild while appreciating this comedic bit.

Talking about taste, THIS is actualy comedy which I found rather tasteless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Qq-RPYb_I
And still, even this does not "disqualify" the show's past good bits. But its bad.

No he didn't. He could have quit at anytime or just said no to the job in the first place. He had power but chose not to use it so he could suck up to Trump. A man of his wealth could chill in the Caribbean for the rest of his life yet he chose to take the podium. He doesn't get to joke.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

The same batch of wind bags that support Polanski is amoral...shocker. Should've been boo'd out of the room, but there were cheering and laughing.

 

[mercenar1e]

I honestly don't care. I find the two previous administration press secretaries to be more sickening. Constantly passing off civilian deaths throughout the Middle East to be of military age combatants.

 

[canoli2006]

Guys and gals this is all just a rebranding of Spicer. He'll make some public appearances, talk shows, maybe do Dancing With The Stars, and before you know it he'll have a guest spot of Grey's Anatomy so let's just give the man a chance, ok?

Oh and he'll definitely be on SNL with McCarthy.

 

[npm0925]

I find it sad, not funny, that a man has absolutely zero integrity. Our country has been irrevocably harmed by these individuals.

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

Everyone loves the Spicey!

 

[DraconisNav]

I was laughing my ass off. Colbert's objective was to make Trump furious and that was the absolute best button to press to do it.

Trump values loyalty over almost everything. Seeing Spicer out there joining Colbert in mocking him is pure ether for Trump's soul.

Y'all need to figure out that there's multiple ways of achieving our objectives. Mocking Trump with Spicer isn't undermining anything else. It's just another facet of the offensive, humiliating Trump in the worst (best) way possible.

 

[V_Arnold]

Everyone loves the Spicey!

Now THIS is messed up

 

[Kurdel]

Everyone loves the Spicey!

Looks like Spiceys glamor fliched for a second and we can all see his true Eldritch visage.

 

[CopperPuppy]

Everyone loves the Spicey!

Should've waited for him to put his hands up:

 

[CloudWolf]

Now THIS is messed up

I would be all for James Corden getting shit for this (he won't)

 

[Zaphrynn]

I think the only positive about this is that it pissed off Trump (because you know it did). Colbert's whole monologue involving Trump felt like it was specifically aimed to get under Trump's skin.

However, even with Colbert's "wizard of lies" comment, I think having Spicer on was a bad idea. I have to agree that it downplays Spicer's role in all of this, and it most certainly normalizes him. Satire is often lost on those it's making fun of. There was not enough obvious venom towards Spicer. Whatever the intent supposedly was, it was not enough.

Edit:

I was laughing my ass off. Colbert's objective was to make Trump furious and that was the absolute best button to press to do it.

Trump values loyalty over almost everything. Seeing Spicer out there joining Colbert in mocking him is pure ether for Trump's soul.

Y'all need to figure out that there's multiple ways of achieving our objectives. Mocking Trump with Spicer isn't undermining anything else. It's just another facet of the offensive, humiliating Trump in the worst (best) way possible.

These were my initial thoughts on it when I first saw the monologue, but after reading posts here, I'm going to have to say it wasn't enough. There's an infinite number of ways to piss Trump off. We didn't need Spicer on stage, then backstage rubbing elbows with people, yukking it up. He's getting all these happy, smiling press photos making him just look like a normal dude and not someone who was a mouthpiece for an administration that would instate fascism if they could.

 

[LogicAirForce]

If the Emmys was a person, it would be Jimmy Fallon.

lol jeezus

 

[Saya]

Spicey is living the life now