Darryl M R
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And all BLM is about shitting on police and white people amirite?
LMFAO I guess those Blue Lives Matter people have a point
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Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People
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LMFAO I guess those Blue Lives Matter people have a point
foodtaster
Banned
Dating is an unquantifiable and meaningless metric. It also makes the silly assumption that black women can't date anyone other than black men, which is obviously false. Reality is when it comes to quantifiable metrics, black women are killin' it. Black men are an embarrassment in comparison.
jordan0386
Member
The Title and Article are bullshit.
As a BM in his 30s, I am offended and disappointed that certain parts of the internet wont let BM be and figure this life out within its White Supremacy bubble.
BM do not hate BW. Thats what the title implies, IT IS BULLSHIT!!
The article isn't about white people.
I mean...no, it implies that Black Men often times are not required to even consider the plight of black women, which is true. Being ambivalent to problems or issues does not equate to hatred, merely ignorance. This is not a black only problem, to be sure, but Black Men are often told that they don't have to consider what privileges they do have merely because the white man has more, as if white privilege invalidates the male privilege Black men do possess.
jordan0386
Member
So BM are the reason that non black men and women don't mess with them?
Of course the world doesn't fuck with you. Thats how White Supremacy works. It cuts off your potential allies.
WHAT YOU NOT GONNA FUCKING DO. Is blame people who are in the same fight as you.
God Dayumm
Banned
"The lowest response rate" is way higher than what even white men get, according to that diagram.
So black guys like Asian women the most, and how is this is systematic oppression?
Damn, what I got from that is pretty much nobody wants to date a black person. Ugh.
Large scale sexual violence against black women is perpetrated by black men. 1in 5 black women experience rape at some point in their lives, the highest among any racial group in the US.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Conceptually this is absolutely true, but the author really fucked up with that god awful headline. In black society, straight black men are dominant, but this just speaks to a world where straight men are dominant. This is especially notable in many black nations where homophobia is RIFE. It's a massive issue that does need addressing.
jordan0386
Member
The article implies oppression.
Based on how those who claim white treat those who are not.
What year are you in? "jumanji.gif"
I can do this all day.
*Not trying to equate living under white supremacy to the struggles of poor white people, in case it looks like that
What's with the obsession with Asian women?AND, notice how black women want black men, once again the backbone of the community.
That must mean East Asian, right? They should break that up a little more. There are a lot of different people that are Asian.
Skellig Gra
Member
Systemic issues are more about bias than it being codified in a rule book somewhere. Based on those stats its clear that pretty much everyone has a bias against black women unfortunately.
jordan0386
Member
All crime is proximity.
Try harder.
And you should factor in those who do not report said crimes.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Male hegemony and Black/minority gender struggles need a better headline than that.
What an obtuse way to frame the issue.
What an obtuse way to frame the issue.
I think this dialogue is important. Surely we can focus on more than one thing at the same time
I am a black man and I see daily how black men subjugate black women in every single way possible. So while there is a layer of White supremacy all black people have to deal with. Within our own community we do a lot to purport the same things white supremacists do to us we do to black women whenever they voice concerns on how we treat them etc and by your response you clearly are just calling their concerns bullshit instead of asking what would warrant this response and article in the first place?
Now is some of this intertwined with overall issues with gender? Absolutely. But there is also a brand of it that is just within relationships between black men and women and honestly as a black man if you dont want to see these articles you should be asking yourself what are you doing to make sure black women feel safe and uplifted and not just used a objects, pawns or subjected to being mules to the will of black men and not seen as equal.
What the article is asking you to do is consider the plight of those you should consider to be your closest allies and be more introspective on the advantages you have over them in this world that we live in. Hell, it's not even saying that you need to change yourself, just realize that those standing behind you are probably hurting for different reasons than you are and you MIGHT be adding to it.
That's it. I'll admit, the article is weirdly aggressive about its message but...still...that's it. And if it wasn't, we probably never would have read it to begin with.
This discussion is about proximity. Why is it that black women literally the most likely to be raped and sexually assaulted compared any other group in this country?
I don't think the bold is true when you look at black American society.
Look at the majority of the programming on BET,CENTRIC,TVONE or even in magazine publications such as JET or Ebony today. Black women are clearly dominant in terms of having things sold to them. Hell, one of the most popular black publications(ESSENCE) is purely directed towards black women
Listen to black radio stations. All of the talks are about dating(mostly with men pandering to the female listener). Visit any black book store. Almost all the contemporary novels are written for Black women. Go inside communities and see who makes up the majority of every church.
Straight Black women are dominant in black American culture.
jordan0386
Member
That's just a factor of men having higher response rates than women.
Skellig Gra
Member
We just had this thread which got like 10 responses:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=248675702
If that's what you got out of this, then there's nothing I can say to sway you.
Shin K Dash
Member
Black women have to fight two social issues. Issue of being black and Issue of being a woman.
The article to me seems to be about empathy rather than a contest.
God Dayumm
Banned
I see the bias is way stronger against black men, even from black women (only 9.3% positive). And this is just from a dating chart, don't make me pull out the education and incarceration statistics.
All that really matters. Disfunction in the black american community can be pointed 100% to slavery and the following systematic oppression. 100% of it, including the odd relationship between black men and women.
jordan0386
Member
Gordon Shumway
Banned
lol..No worries. Was poking fun of some dude that said it was a GAF thing. Been hearing that phrase since a was a kid..
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Oh shit..already got an "I'm out" and everything in here 😂
Yep. gotta be provocative to get people to read anything these days and its not really that wrong. Ive seen many use the same words and rhetoric when it comes to black women looking to hold black men more accountable.
jordan0386
Member
There is nothing to sway. Your position is severely flawed.
If you think that Black Men don't understand what people who like look them are going thru. ON A LARGE SCALE. SYSTEMATICALLY.
i, in turn, cant help you.
Skellig Gra
Member
You don't need to pull out those stats, my original point in that graph or whatever you want to call it is that there are statistics that show black women have it worse than black men in some ways. What I was responding to was the dude saying there is literally nothing where black women have it worse than black men.
family_guy
Member
It's a pretty weird graph. I mean you might not respond for multiple reasons, whether it be you not being physically attracted or you didn't like something in that person's profile.
foodtaster
Banned
Nah, the article is likely correct, however its conclusion is wrong. It's more of a misogyny issue in general, rather than some "black specific" misogyny. Of course, that's the only takeaway you could have since there's no actual evidence. There's plenty of evidence though on the lines of "general misogyny".
Man that is crazy sad. This line got me
"”When one of the guys would get caught in a jam, and by that I mean like if the other rival gang has a gun and they point it out, I'll just get in front of one of the guys," she said. ”And I'll say, ‘You have to kill me before you kill him.'"
And its hilariously incorrect. being black and a woman is worse than being black and man. There are still privileges men have regardless of color over women. if we want to go that route.
I think this is correct its just misogyny with a different brand. I think the title is more to make black men realize they are using the same rhetoric towards black women.
jordan0386
Member
I skimmed. Where is the data on White Americans.
Skellig Gra
Member
Any data set is going to have some noise but the trends are pretty clear.
jordan0386
Member
"We're just as bad as them"
No we are not.
There is no systematic oppression in place.
And you'll never be able to provide evidence to prove systematic oppression.
So kindly zip it.
No we are not.
There is no systematic oppression in place.
And you'll never be able to provide evidence to prove systematic oppression.
So kindly zip it.
family_guy
Member
Well other than white men with white women, almost no other ethnicity wants each other if I go by these stats.
It's not exactly that. It shows a clear bias negatively affecting black people across the board, *except* for black women really preferring black men and outright rejecting white men.
The reverse with black men (sorta) rejecting white women happens as well in the old datasets:
https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060
It's also worth noting that while the response rate to black women is across the board lower it's still significantly higher when dealing with black men. Overall that data is better if you're going to make the point that "everyone hates black people unless they're black".
Dreams-Visions
Member
Yes, straight men are going to have the most inter-race privelidge in any given race or ethnicity. Privelidge that rarely extends beyond said race/ethnicity unless white.
Duh?
Did anyone anywhere suggest otherwise? Has that ever not been true in the last 1,000 years of western civilization?
Duh?
Did anyone anywhere suggest otherwise? Has that ever not been true in the last 1,000 years of western civilization?
Fenderputty
Banned
It seems like a "catch more flies with sugar" kind of dilemma. Comparing sexism in the black community to white privilege would not be sugar, but rather shame.
I'm curious if anyone here employing this tactic has had positive results. Curious if the results are what matters. Shaming racism, for example, isn't really about stopping racism but shunning it into the quiet shadows.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Ain't nobody trying to make black men the villains, except racist white people.
There are Latinos who try real hard to pass off as white and act like they're better than other Latinos. It's white supremacy getting to them, and if they don't learn that then they become a part of the problem. Before you deal with the core of the issue you have to make sure your people got your back.