So what's the cause for the gender gap ?
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Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People
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So what's the cause for the gender gap ?
Yea it's just general misogyny issues. However to stretch that to the notion that black males are oppressing or ignoring black females to the degree that we're remotely as bad as white people is just insane.
Skellig Gra
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True, that is fairly evident from the numbers.
jordan0386
Member
Looks to be nearly the same between white and black
Damning evidence.
However, everything black people do in this country is always somehow worse than the dominant class who is as much as 4x larger.
I'll concede to this point.
No, no one did but black men we gotta hold ourselves accountable and do better for other members of our community. We can't continue to center black liberation around straight black men.
Yeah, I don't think the takeaway is that black men are predisposed to being homophobic or misogynistic. No one is arguing that. My position remains unchanged here.
What's the old saying? When white people catch a cold black people get pneumonia
I was coming into the thread to post something similar.
jordan0386
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Black people from all walks of life have stepped up to the plate in this digital age.
jordan0386
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BM are not oppressing BW close to the scale of White Supremacy over Black People in total.
There is no proof of this.
ENOUGH
Shin K Dash
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I disagree. I feel the dysfunction in black community didn't arise till after the civil rights movement.
What is this narrative. Black liberation was never, and is not, centered around the black male, black males took militant stances back in the early days because the black male is the one who would be best able to fight if needed, and women were always more than present in any black liberation movement. Black liberation has come from black women and black men at different times for different purposes.
You are dismissing the point of the article in order to bring up another topic all together. Nor does it change that this topic has devolved into "feminism is the greatest ebil!"
Again, the op is an article by a black guy saying "hey black guys, maybe let's try not oppressing black women" .
Westbahnhof
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"I said SILENCE!"
You know, maybe trying to shut down people with an opposing view doesn't exactly work for you in this case.
I'm sure you don't mean it this way, but it comes across cartoonishly tyrannical.
How old are you to be able to make a statement like that? After integration and the civil rights movement is when systematic oppression really began to pick up its paces. That's when the real attacks on the black family began, that's when the real attacks on the black self-image began, that's when the deliberate destruction of the positive culture/revolutionary music that black people were putting out began. Before civil rights black people were victims of murder with no consequences, after the civil rights movement, black people became the victims of some of the most vicious psychological warfare that has ever been put on a people.
So what you're saying may be true, but not for the reasons that you think they're true. Black people didn't just fall apart.
jordan0386
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The point of the f'n article is that BM are some sort of boogeyman towards BW.
The real issue is White Supremacy and its dominance on black life. As a whole.
Any other discussion is deflection.
I am a BM with children from a BW. Don't fucking compare me to someone who would harm others on a systematic scale and limit their progress in life.
Do y'all even realize the implication you are casting on BM.
That we're fucking oppressing black women? limiting their mobility?
We are a greater threat to our own than bigotry and racism from the dominant class?
Pass the bubbly.
Baraka Obama
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Yes they do
Skellig Gra
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No one is arguing the scale is even remotely similar. Not sure why you keep bringing it up.
foodtaster
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The women's rights movements has resulted in some huge gains for women of all races, but Black women in particular have seen huge gains, partly because they were also artificially constrained due to racism to begin with unlike White women.
Another way of putting it is that Black women are basically approaching (slowly) where they should've been if there wasn't racism, whereas Black men have made virtually no progress.
Nope.
No, you're literally deflecting from the point to bring up another topic entirely. One no one is even necessarily disagreeing with but still. You are deflecting.
jordan0386
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But assessing our privilege (or lack thereof) on these facts considers only our relationship with whiteness and with America. Intraracially, however, our relationship to and with black women is not unlike whitenesss relationship to us. In fact, its eerily similar.
JeTmAn81
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I'm not sure that subdividing groups in this way is helpful. Surely you could continue to subdivide the marginalized and point fingers at those who have it better until you've reached the least privileged individual in all of society? Is there some concrete action that naturally arises from considering who has the most privilege? And are we ignoring the fact that citizens of western countries have it better than most people in the entire world? Aren't we all benefiting from privilege in one way or another?
Darryl M R
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Mr. BOLD MY WORDS IN ALL CAPS TO IGNORE THE ISSUES OF BLACK WOMEN
posts as if he is a parody account. At this point he is being purposefully obtuse.
It is helpful to have those that are oppressing others--even if they are being oppressed by another group--to understand their privilege.
No one is pointing fingers for the sake of playing a pity game and it is nonsense to even suggest such a thing.
We can highlight systematic issues without looking for individual blame.
posts as if he is a parody account. At this point he is being purposefully obtuse.
It is helpful to have those that are oppressing others--even if they are being oppressed by another group--to understand their privilege.
No one is pointing fingers for the sake of playing a pity game and it is nonsense to even suggest such a thing.
We can highlight systematic issues without looking for individual blame.
Skellig Gra
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I don't really believe that is what the author was getting at. I read it more as "Let's help raise up black women".
Division or recognizing issues specific to a community?
jordan0386
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So why isn't that the title?
Skellig Gra
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It's just some clickbait fuckery IMO. Detracts from the important message.
jordan0386
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...that black men hate black women just as much as racists do.
Yea, I got that part.
LeroyPantwether
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Has anyone actually implicated that?
jordan0386
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"Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People"
The author did, yes.
Skellig Gra
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Nah.
jordan0386
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A black man isnt a gender?
foodtaster
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You really shouldn't be so fixated on the title. The author likely didn't even determine that. The article itself is poor and filled with unsubstantiated claims. The only thing we can say for sure is that the author is sexist and is projecting that to all Black men.
This is not true, btw.
http://newamericamedia.org/2015/02/...ck-men-in-prison-than-college-is-debunked.php
The rest you said I agree with.
foodtaster
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Hah, yeah that was debunked a little while ago. The fact that it's something that needs to be debunked is telling, though.
Bolivar687
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It's becoming increasingly hard to believe male privilege continues to exist in a culture that relentlessly shames its own sons, without regard to how otherwise marginalized they obviously are.
Westbahnhof
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"There are poison ghosts in the trees, and when you get near them they poison you"
"No."
"Well the fact that I thought it might be the case is very telling!"
There is a myth that electric fans can kill you. That swimming after eating is dangerous. That microwaved water kills plants.
It's telling, but it's only telling us that people are gullible.
Are you Conflating White Supremacists with White People in general?
JeTmAn81
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I think the sentiment behind the incorrect fact stands, though. There's a ridiculously disproportionate number of black males in American jails.
jordan0386
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BlazinSkatinAxel
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Who do you think caused that?
foodtaster
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Except there are actually a ridiculous amount of black men in prison. It wasn't a myth, it was just a poor counting of the amount of black men that were in college, not a poor counting of the amount of black men in prison.
jordan0386
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Shin K Dash
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Don't really see the reason why you had to attack my age. My central idea was that post-civil rights movement was a strong factor in the fall of black families ignoring my sloppy writing.
And no my point wasn't that "us black just fell apart" but thanks for the ad hom.
The same people at the time who hated MLK and thought Black Panthers were purely a terrorist organization ignoring their many communal efforts?
So couldn't the same be said of black men in general and hyper masculine, sexist black men?
foodtaster
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Lots of things.
Westbahnhof
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Absolutely. But "people believe it means it's real" is a bad argument.
LeroyPantwether
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I took it as the author using the term white people synonymously with the term oppressive force . Then expanding that oppressive forces can exist even amongst whole groups of oppressed individuals .
jordan0386
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Within the example we are working with, no.