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[intheinbetween]

Don't be a fool, the Judge acted in behalf of the goverment. People on the governing party, knew it was gonna happen yesterday.

The judge acted correctly, this was bound to happen, and the catalonian politics knew this too, it's part of the game.

 

[Charles Brandon]

It would be a nightmare for the EU since these issues are closely linked. Successful Scottish independence would be a tinder to the bonfire that is Catalunya, Corsica, Sicily, you name it....

That hated, stinky and reptilian Walian people?

 

[Onyar]

How has been Spain jumping democracy? I'm sorry but it's the catalonian politics the ones jumping democracy for their own interests.

Appying the 155 without the democratic process, arresting politicians that did nothing more than be in the goverment, and there's more.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

The judge acted correctly, this was bound to happen, and the catalonian politics knew this too, it's part of the game.

There was already an open cause in the TSJC, judge acted on his "own".

 

[Deleted member 231381]

That hated, stinky and reptilian Walian people?

We'd drive the hated Saxons from Alban faster than you can say Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch.

 

[Theonik]

It would be a nightmare for the EU since these issues are closely linked. Successful Scottish independence would be a tinder to the bonfire that is Catalunya, Corsica, Sicily, you name it. You could actually see the impact that the failure of the Scottish vote had on sentiment in Catalunya - there was a notable dip in support for independence in polls at the time.

Where would they even fit all those extra stars. They'd probably have to switch to a grid like the US did. Terrible.

 

[intheinbetween]

Appying the 155 without the democratic process, arresting politicians that did nothing more than be in the goverment, and there's more.

They are not applying the 155 article yet, and I really hope they don't get to that point. The police are arresting because of felonies, not because of article 155.

 

[Charles Brandon]

We'd drive the hated Saxons from Alban faster than you can say Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch.

You can say that again.

 

[ZeroX03]

You can say that again.

Tell me about it.

 

[Kayhan]

We'd drive the hated Saxons from Alban faster than you can say Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch.

So....never?

 

[Westbahnhof]

It would be a nightmare for the EU since these issues are closely linked. Successful Scottish independence would be a tinder to the bonfire that is Catalunya, Corsica, Sicily, you name it. You could actually see the impact that the failure of the Scottish vote had on sentiment in Catalunya - there was a notable dip in support for independence in polls at the time.

A legal referendum being required should act as flame retardant here.
Becoming independent with the blessing of your former country and just saying "we are independant now" are very different things.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

A legal referendum being required should act as flame retardant here.
Becoming independent with the blessing of your former country and just saying "we independant now" are very different things.

Catalunyan parties aren't trying to say 'we independent now' just because, though. They would almost certainly prefer to do it the legal way, except the Spanish government is refusing to allow them legal access, hence the current situation. Refusing a legal avenue even when there's clear popular demand can cause people who want it legally to back down... or it can cause them to spill over into wanting it illegally, depending on how the central government's actions are perceived. In this case, that seems to have been 'poorly'. So, no, I don't think Scotland's independence would be perceived as relevantly different in the significant sense. If it makes people want legal independence, and legal independence is unavailable, a significant number of people will still move to wanting illegal independence.

 

[tuxfool]

We'd drive the hated Saxons from Alban faster than you can say Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch.

You copy pasted that didn't you?

 

[KingSnake]

If there is no legal framework for running a legal referendum and getting independence via legal means I'm afraid that the road to independence might be a very painful one.

 

[cebri.one]

Don't be a fool, the Judge acted in behalf of the goverment. People on the governing party, knew it was gonna happen yesterday.

The judge acts on behalf of the law. And actually it has nothing to do with the referendum:https://twitter.com/matthewbennett/status/910489052247478272

But keep on with the misinformation.

 

[Onyar]

They are not applying the 155 article yet, and I really hope they don't get to that point. The police are arresting because of felonies, not because of article 155.

My opnion and for a lot of people is they are applying it undercovered, the arrests are because directly linked with the 155.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

You copy pasted that didn't you?

I am actually Welsh. It's a pretty simple placename to remember if you are Welsh because it's just a translated phrase.

 

[Theonik]

I am actually Welsh. It's a pretty simple placename to remember if you are Welsh because it's just a translated phrase.

As long as you are familiar with the Welsh alphabet it's trivial.

 

[His Majesty]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41331152?SThisFB

The spate of raids and arrests in Barcelona is a clear escalation by the Spanish state as it tries to deactivate the planned referendum.

Previous raids have targeted sites suspected of holding electoral material. Arresting officials from an elected government risks further polarising Catalan society between those who want independence and those who do not.

Although the Catalan independence movement has so far been peaceful, raids on government premises carried out by a Spanish militarised police force, the Guardia Civil, create uncomfortable echoes of the Franco dictatorship.

Demonstrators are already taking to the streets to protect their "right to decide". And there is a risk of clashes between pro-independence activists and police forces with orders to stop the vote.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

The judge acts on behalf of the law. And actually it has nothing to do with the referendum:https://twitter.com/matthewbennett/status/910489052247478272

But keep on with the misinformation.

Except for the fact all material took by the GC (spanish military police) is for the referendum...

 

[intheinbetween]

My opnion and for a lot of people is they are applying it undercovered, the arrests are because directly linked with the 155.

But the fact is they're not, as to apply article 155 (with all its implications) requires the absolut majority of the Senate, and believe me if they were applyting it undercovered other parties (PSOE, Cs, Podemos..) would have already blamed the govt for it.

 

[Charles Brandon]

As long as you are familiar with the Welsh alphabet it's trivial.

As an Englishman, I do not believe in the Welsh alphabet nor the language itself. We know it is just a throaty nonsense, designed to baffle and upset the English.

When I see the word 'Araf' written on the road, I speed up out of patriotic pride. You can take my motorcar with your sneaky, unwarned-about hairpins but you'll never take my God-given superiority as an Englishman.

*whistles The Enigma Variations"

 

[intheinbetween]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41331152?SThisFB

imo, FC Barcelona should stay away from politics

 

[Onyar]

But the fact is they're not, as to apply article 155 (with all its implications) requires the absolut majority of the Senate, and believe me if they were applyting it undercovered other parties (PSOE, Cs, Podemos..) would have already blamed the govt for it.

And that's why what's happening is not democratic, if you do the same things that will do with the 155 what bring to think is that actually you are doing something that you can't do it.

 

[Ganhyun]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41331152?SThisFB

That BBC article was an interesting read for me. It also seems to contradict the poster saying none of what happened was tied to the upcoming vote.

 

[intheinbetween]

And that's why what's happening is not democratic, if you do the same things that will do with the 155 what bring to think is that actually you are doing something that you can't do it.

The fact is they are not doing the same things as applying article 155, article 155 is way worse.

 

[Par Score]

imo, FC Barcelona should stay away from politics

All sport is political, but few sports are more political than futbol.

And there is no "staying out of" an issue like this. Neutrality or silence is tacit support of the status quo, and the status quo in this case is armed police arresting democratically elected politicians and seeking to stifle the democratic process.

 

[RocknRola]

imo, FC Barcelona should stay away from politics

Too little too late, they've been a political vessel for quite a few years now.

 

[cebri.one]

Except for the fact all material took by the GC (spanish military police) is for the referendum...

Not the same judge not the same case. Whatever.

 

[Charles Brandon]

Barcelona are not apolitical. They have history with Catalan identity, especially during the time of Franco. Although our resident Catalonians will know much about that than I do.

 

[faberpach]

The judge acts on behalf of the law. And actually it has nothing to do with the referendum:https://twitter.com/matthewbennett/status/910489052247478272

But keep on with the misinformation.

I hope you know you are lying.

It is related and you know it.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Barcelona are not apolitical. They have history with Catalan identity, especially during the time of Franco. Although our resident Catalonians will know much about that than I do.

Yeah, FC Barcelona is part of the Catalonian national identity and culture, from even before Franco.

 

[Quixzlizx]

Doesn't Spain have a health card? That should cover the issue of the healthcare system. Elections, that's a more sensitive topic, indeed. But citizens living abroad have the same voting rights, I don't see why should Spanish citizens living in Catalonia being denied that.

Expatriates != Secessionists

From my American perspective, I'm trying to think of what would've happened if the Confederacy had peacefully seceded, but with all of their citizens having the right to vote for pro-slavery laws and politicians in the Union.

Seems bonkers to think that people who have rejected and eliminated the influence of a central government to then be entitled to legally influence its direction in the future.

 

[mocolostrocolos]

This is clusterfuck.

The 'indepes' think they are building their own way to 'freedom' by calling an illegal referendum because they say that just because is a poll is democratic, despite it can't be called by this means the way our Constitución works.

La Guardia Civil is acting under court orders applying the law are being used as 'oppresion propaganda' by the Independentists.

Government says nobody is above the law. This would sound reasonable if it wasn't because they've bent the law millions of times for their own people's sake to avoid jail or reduce sentences.

 

[gutter_trash]

I will be in Torremolinos (Malaga) on October 1st LOL.

 

[cebri.one]

Double post.

 

[cebri.one]

I hope you know you are lying.

It is related and you know it.

It is related in the sense that deals with a lawsuit against a member of the catalonian government who bragged about having information illegally obtained. Yes, it is related to the problem, not directly with the referendum.

You just don't like facts, don't you?

Edit: Sorry for those of you who don't understand spanish.

 

[mocolostrocolos]

Welp

The sue was filled by Vox:

 

[barber]

Welp

The sue was filled by Vox:

For all non Spanish, vox is a really Spanish nationalist and right wing party, has no representation in the parliament and really sucks in general except the charizard meme.
Edit: they are so in need of people that we signed up one leftist friend (part of IU) as a joke and even after he told them he was signed up as a joke he still was asked to support them and appear in some events (he said no ofc)

 

[mocolostrocolos]

For all non Spanish, vox is a really Spanish nationalist and right wing party, has no representation in the parliament and really sucks in general except the charizard meme.

Obligatory

 

[intheinbetween]

for those interested in this conflict: The lies of the Catalan regional premier

... 3. ”This aggression lacks legal backing," it ”violates the rule of law" and the European Charter of Rights, and is ”a de facto suspension of self-government and a de facto application of a state of exception."
It is all false. The police intervention not only took place under the aegis of the judiciary, it was in fact ordered by the latter and has the backing of the Constitutional Court. It therefore falls within the boundaries of the rule of law, of which the independence of the judiciary is a basic pillar (in contrast with the aim of the breakaway laws that were dictated by the secessionist bloc and later suspended by the courts). Nor can one say that Catalan home rule has been suspended, since nobody has invoked Section 155 of the Constitution, which would allow central authorities to temporarily intervene in Catalonia's affairs. What's been applied is the National Security Law, which would allow the government to take over all law enforcement agencies. There is no state of exception, because not a single civil right has been suspended, as shown by the freely exercised freedom of demonstration on the streets of Barcelona to protest acts ordered by the judiciary....

 

[Business]

for those interested in this conflict: The lies of the Catalan regional premier

I’m sure people interested in this conflict can read more balanced articles from local press in their countries than this inflamatory Spanish propaganda article from an outlet like El Pais.

 

[Lagunamov]

for those interested in this conflict: The lies of the Catalan regional premier

This is propaganda.

 

[intheinbetween]

This is propaganda.

yeah, right, propaganda

 

[Dr.Phibes]

This is propaganda.

You're supposed to call it fake news now.

 

[Vasili2K38]

I’m sure people interested in this conflict can read more balanced articles from local press in their countries than this inflamatory Spanish propaganda article from an outlet like El Pais.

This is propaganda.

Woah, El Pais now is "inflamatory spanish propaganda"? We are reaching a bit, are we?

This is what I hate more of the current independent catalan movement, the radicalization and extremism of the political views. The situation is a total shitshow, the current central and catalan government, BOTH they don't care a shit about their citizens. And its amazing (as usual) how a lot of spaniards (from both sides) are played in this game. I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Beefy]

Spain are just scared if Catalonia go, then more will follow right?

 

[Business]

Woah, El Pais now is "inflamatory spanish propaganda"? We are reaching a bit, are we?

This is what I hate more of the current independent catalan movement, the radicalization and extremism of the political views. The situation is a total shitshow, the current central and catalan government, BOTH they don't care a shit about their citizens. And its amazing (as usual) how a lot of spaniards (from both sides) are played in this game. I shouldn't be surprised.

The majority of people wants a referendum, Spain will never allow one, the Catalan government wants to do one even if Spain won’t allow. This is what you call radicalization and extremism of political views? I wonder who is reaching a bit.

 

[Dr.Phibes]

Spain are just scared if Catalonia go, then more will follow right?

Not really.

 

[RocknRola]

Spain are just scared if Catalonia go, then more will follow right?

Who knows. If ones does managed to do it that may change a whole lot of perspectives in the other various regions, dunno.

Hard to tell how they'll react, if at all.