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LotusHD

Banned
Too late sadly.

Unless the crew shows a real need for it or if some is doing a bad job, someone fulfilling a role doesn't mean much in joining.

It's all about how Oda sets you up and the connection with Luffy.

Unless Luffy just wants you, lol.

No one has a desperate need for sick helmsman skills, yet here we are. :p

Anyways, the point being made is "Oh hey look, Carrot's coincidentally filling that position we all predicted she would, just like Jinbe's doing his"

Who's ready for the Carrot vs Perospero fight?

If Oda actually goes through with that... Oh man, that'll be something to see.

Well she needs a moment to shine for once, "avenging" Pedro will do it.

She'll have multiple moments. ;D

Would be weird if after all this time they suddenly add two crew members at once. Although they both fit in pretty well, with Carrot as a scout and Jinbe as moral support.

Well, I don't think it'll be two at once. I always figured Carrot would join at the end of Wano, more or less. Or if she somehow did join now, then regardless, she'd get the bulk of her character development in Wano. Whatever happens, she getting something in Wano.

I'd say Oda should just go and add Jimbe, Carrot and Pud D. Ing and then we can put an end to the discussion. Easy.

Gangster Gastino is irredeamable at this point though, Pudding is on Robin's pre-joining level.

Pudding still needs to show off some offensive abilities. :(

Would be funny if he stuck around but was never actually an official crew member because everyone hates him.

I would low-key enjoy that.

Additionally, I like the goofball prediction of him joining a crew of people that are super antagonistic towards Luffy lol
 

Ray Down

Banned
Arlong at least has a back story explaining why he's the way h is.

Call me short sighted or whatever but I don't see some back story for Ceaser explaining why he's GLEEFULLY and excited his weapons are used to kill.
 

caliph95

Member
Arlong at least has a back story explaining why he's the way h is.

Call me short sighted or whatever but I don't see some back story for Ceaser explaining why he's GLEEFULLY and excited his weapons are used to kill.
Caesar is just an assholes people only want him to join to be a butt monkey
 

PK Gaming

Member
Arlong at least has a back story explaining why he's the way h is.

Call me short sighted or whatever but I don't see some back story for Ceaser explaining why he's GLEEFULLY and excited his weapons are used to kill.

Look at real life people like Sean Spicer and Paul Ryan; they don't need backstories to explain why they're huge assholes. Caesar is the same. He's selfish, vain and reckless.

A sad backstory couldn't justify experimenting on children.

He's just an asshole.
 

LotusHD

Banned
Ceaser redemption arc when we get to vegapunk

If he was actually getting a redemption arc, the perfect time would be when he helped out the citizens of Zou. For him to go all Tony Stark and realized his genius is negatively affecting others, where he starts realizing he's a dick, etc....

BUT NOPE.

Completely unrepentant, only helped because he was forced to. Regardless, I don't see how you come back from experimenting on children, it isn't even worth the effort.

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And not everyone needs a sob story. Hody Jones didn't have one, and that made him frightening to me.
 

Lunar15

Member
I don't think there's a lot of plot holes, it's just that the pacing's a mess. Just feels like everyone's been running for a hundred chapters.
 

NSESN

Member
I think it will be Jinbei and Carrot against Perospero. Jimbei need a sendoff from BM crew and Carrot need to convince me that she deserves to join.
 

Majukun

Member
1) Big Mom is childish, compulsive, hedonistic and arrogant. She didn't see the Straw Hats as a threat (arguably justified, because she straight up managed to capture Luffy). She's also extremely sadistic going by her "roulette", and wanted to Strawh Hat Pirates to suffer fro defying her instead of immediately dying.

2) Because she wanted to. Remember, she's a sadistic bastard. Seeing Vinsmoke at the height of success, only for them to lose that at the last minute must been priceless for her. It clearly worked too, because Vinsmoke cried like a baby when he found out he was betrayed. And she can slaughter a family and still eat cake...

3) She has a complex about her appearance and tries to keep her good girl act in front of everyone, not just Straw Hats.

None of these aren't really plot holes. At best, they're minor oversights which I disagree with (your post reads like "why didn't these characters do I want them to do")



Both are bad, but pudding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hancock. Pudding falls for Sanji because he still finds her beautiful despite her having a freaky 3rd eye. It's a very simplistic "I love you because you love me for who I am type set up." Hancock's love for Luffy is completely one-sided and rote. It's absolutely not better than Sanji's relationship with Pudding.

1) so she sacrificed a plan that was so important to her because she wanted to watch the strawhats suffer? I would agree if not for the fact that she didn't really show any interest in luffy or the other strawhats before they pissed her off... she just sent cracker to the forest and at best she wondered what took him so long to deal with them...then when they were captured she only talked with luffy and nami through the radio snail...she never really cared that much for luffy until he tried to kill her and made her plan fail..the same plan that you are saying she put in jeopardy just to watch them suffer...except she didn't really watched them at all.

2) is she that sadistic though? she is definitely a cheating bastard that even when she tells you she is giving you a way out,in reality there's no way out (and that makes her way less interesting of a villain, but that's personal preference, not a plot hole)..but i'd say she is way more of a glutton that she is a sadistic person..she is selfish, and i fail to see why would she wait until a cerimony that she knows will never happen to eat what she wants..since her entire character is that she MUST get what she wants,and if you don't agree you are being selfish and you need to die.

3) read again what i wrote.
I'm not talking about her using her meek persona in front of others..i mean her wanting to get away from his dress try-out because,as she said, she "had to go somewhere else"..problem is,since she was evil all along,she had nowhere to go...she never intended to go to the forest to meet the strawhats, so she had no reason to try to go away ..she would have just tried the dress maintaining the meek persona...instead she acted like she was following the plan when she had no reason to act about the plan at all.
 
If he was actually getting a redemption arc, the perfect time would be when he helped out the citizens of Zou. For him to go all Tony Stark and realized his genius is negatively affecting others, where he starts realizing he's a dick, etc....

BUT NOPE.

Completely unrepentant, only helped because he was forced to.
And never stopped whining once.

He's for sure one of the best things about the New World so far.
 

caliph95

Member
If he was actually getting a redemption arc, the perfect time would be when he helped out the citizens of Zou. For him to go all Tony Stark and realized his genius is negatively affecting others, where he starts realizing he's a dick, etc....

BUT NOPE.

Completely unrepentant, only helped because he was forced to. Regardless, I don't see how you come back from experimenting on children, it isn't even worth the effort.
The only he would if he gets tons of money and respect
 

Seesaw15

Member
1) big mom willingly letting the strawhats arrive to whole cake island despite not having any advantage in doing so..she is in her own kingdom, she can attack them when they are miles away from sanji and never risking losing the most important chess piece in the enitre plan. Instead she goes as far as giving them a map through pudding..a map that they are using right now to escape....and remember she has a fleet at her disposal at alla times...so even if you decide that you don't wanna fight the strawhats on ground,you only need to give them the map and then meet them at see with your "angry fleet".

You're confusing Big Mom's characterization with a plot hole.

Luffy/The Straw Hats openly mocked her and her authority as a Yonko on Fishman Island. Big Mom is petty, vindictive and full of hubris. So what would be a better form of revenge? Blowing up your enemies when they're a dot on the horizon or letting them think they're close to saving their friend only to snatch it away at the last minute?

If you wanted Big Mom to be a very prudent military tactician that doesn't take any risk that fine but for how Oda has written her there's no plot hole.
 

LotusHD

Banned
I think it will be Jinbei and Carrot against Perospero. Jimbei need a sendoff from BM crew and Carrot need to convince me that she deserves to join.

I don't care who it's with, just let my girl fight lol

And never stopped whining once.

He's for sure one of the best things about the New World so far.

One of the best parts about this arc was when Nami told him to go die lmao

The only he would if he gets tons of money and respect

I'm still shook that Caesar was out here getting prostitutes and what not
 

Lunar15

Member
I'm always reminded "plot hole" is a meaningless term

That's not really true at all. Plenty of stories have "holes" in the plot, where details are absent.

I agree that the points being raised aren't really plotholes, but I also don't thin that the points are invalid. This arc is deeply unsatisfying because there isn't a single character that's really getting a chance to be fleshed out at all. We're meeting new characters constantly and none of them are being given proper time to develop or become compelling in the slightest. They're all gags. Big Mom even feels like one big gag even though she actually got a flashback.

Pedro's death is actually really cool but I can't find myself caring because Pedro himself wasn't super interesting or integral to the plot. It just feels like there's all the elements of a story here, a plot, characters, a villian, some protagonists... just none of it is gelling in a satisfying way.
 
I don't care who it's with, just let my girl fight lol

One of the best parts about this arc was when Nami told him to go die lmao

I'm still shook that Caesar was out here getting prostitutes and what not
Maybe, like Vegeta before him, he'll realize he likes strong women and his redemption arc will begin lol
 

PK Gaming

Member
1) so she sacrificed a plan that was so important to her because she wanted to watch the strawhats suffer? I would agree if not for the fact that she didn't really show any interest in luffy or the other strawhats before they pissed her off... she just sent cracker to the forest and at best she wondered what took him so long to deal with them...then when they were captured she only talked with luffy and nami through the radio snail...she never really cared that much for luffy until he tried to kill her and made her plan fail..the same plan that you are saying she put in jeopardy just to watch them suffer...except she didn't really watched them at all.

1) Sacrifice? I don't think she saw it that way. She didn't see them as a threat and willingly let them in because she could always deal with them later. She always had an interest in Luffy, ever since he taunted her in Fishman island, and she brings this up and mocks him after he gets captured.

2) is she that sadistic though? she is definitely a cheating bastard that even when she tells you she is giving you a way out,in reality there's no way out (and that makes her way less interesting of a villain, but that's personal preference, not a plot hole)..but i'd say she is way more of a glutton that she is a sadistic person..she is selfish, and i fail to see why would she wait until a cerimony that she knows will never happen to eat what she wants..since her entire character is that she MUST get what she wants,and if you don't agree you are being selfish and you need to die.

She offers to give someone a way out and rigs it so they'd always lose. Her power revolves around stripping the life from people and she taunts them while doing so. She tells Sanji that she would be willing to overlook Luffy's transgression against her if he complied to the wedding, despite fully intending on killing him.

She's sadistic.

3) read again what i wrote.
I'm not talking about her using her meek persona in front of others..i mean her wanting to get away from his dress try-out because,as she said, she "had to go somewhere else"..problem is,since she was evil all along,she had nowhere to go...she never intended to go to the forest to meet the strawhats, so she had no reason to try to go away ..she would have just tried the dress maintaining the meek persona...instead she acted like she was following the plan when she had no reason to act about the plan at all.

I guess? That's a contrivance, not a plot hole.
 

LotusHD

Banned
I agree that the points being raised aren't really plotholes, but I also don't thin that the points are invalid. This arc is deeply unsatisfying because there isn't a single character that's really getting a chance to be fleshed out at all. We're meeting new characters constantly and none of them are being given proper time to develop or become compelling in the slightest. They're all gags. Big Mom even feels like one big gag even though she actually got a flashback.

Disagree there, but to each their own I guess.

Pedro's death is actually really cool but I can't find myself caring because Pedro himself wasn't super interesting or integral to the plot. It just feels like there's all the elements of a story here, a plot, characters, a villian, some protagonists... just none of it is gelling in a satisfying way.

He literally just saved their lives lol

Still absurd this man can go to the reviere

Someone is forgetting how fucked up the high echelon is in One Piece

Anyone hating Wapol needs leave.

Honestly, it's been a minute since I last saw it, but uhh, I don't see what's blasphemous about saying that he isn't funny, especially when compared to Caesar.
 

Majukun

Member
Both are bad, but pudding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hancock. Pudding falls for Sanji because he still finds her beautiful despite her having a freaky 3rd eye. It's a very simplistic "I love you because you love me for who I am type set up." Hancock's love for Luffy is completely one-sided and rote. It's absolutely not better than Sanji's relationship with Pudding.

hancock actually felled in love with luffy after he knew how he was as a person, first after he saved them after all they had done to him..then when he accepted without esitation to sacrifice his personal interest to save marguerite and the other 2 girls, and last when she knew that he went against a tenryuubito, something that has no doubt triggered in her memories about fisher tiger,the one man she owes her life to and probably admired her entire life.
Add to that that she had really not that much experience with other men, and you could see why she would fall in love with luffy, and she actually did it because he likes him as a person, since she showed no interest in his appearance before.

pudding heard a shallow compliment by the guy that loves every single girl in the world..a guy that until that was for her a lowlife scum...and she was still considering a scum depsite knowing a pretty good amount about him and his personality,since they interacted way more than luffy and hancock interacted before she fell in love...and she still hated him and considered him a lowlife,so much that she broke sanji's spirit with her words.

but ,oh,he likes her third eye so that changes everything..and that would be better than what was done with luffy and hancock? give me a break.

and i say this fully knwoing that luffy and hancock's relatinship is nothing but a joke and as a guy that hates shiping in his shonen...but i actually understood why hancock fell in love with luffy...with pudding all i can think is "plot convenience" and the stubborn refusal by Oda to let an evil good looking girl stay evil...for some reason.
 

Metal B

Member
1) big mom willingly letting the strawhats arrive to whole cake island despite not having any advantage in doing so..she is in her own kingdom, she can attack them when they are miles away from sanji and never risking losing the most important chess piece in the enitre plan. Instead she goes as far as giving them a map through pudding..a map that they are using right now to escape....and remember she has a fleet at her disposal at alla times...so even if you decide that you don't wanna fight the strawhats on ground,you only need to give them the map and then meet them at see with your "angry fleet".

2) talking about the plan,it doesn't make any goddamn sense...why would big mom need to organize this big party exactly? Once germa arrived at the port of WCI they were basically in trap..they don't need a surprise attack..just imprison the vinsmokes the moment they put a feet out of their kingdom. Also,on a minor note..why a glutton like big mom would wait so much to eat a wedding cake that was never gonna be actually used as a wedding cake in the first place ,since the marriage was gonna end in blood before the bride or the broom say yes?

3) why would pudding keep the charade when she is trying the wedding dress with tamago? she never meant to actually get to the forest since it was all a ruse, so why would she try to get away from tamago, saying that she had to go somewhere else?
Neither her or Tamago knew that pedro and brook were watching,so she had no reason to try to go to an appointment she never intended to go to.

those are the first 3 that come to mind..but in the past i think that i pointed out other aspects that were really not that convincing..but this 3 still don't make any sense.

p.s. oh and pudding falling for sani for a single shallow compliment is really,really bad writing..Oda did it so much better back in the day with hancock.
1) and 2): Big Mom is a sadist. She enjoys playing with her prey, which is clearly represented with her playful nature (like spinning a roulette you will always lose, instead of just killing you immediately). For her the Strawhats are just a joke, she can play around as she pleases. This also explained, why she has a party and wanted to kill the Vinsmokes there. We have witness multiple times, that Pirates just want to do, what they like. Even if it isn't very efficient or smart (see Luffy).
Big Mom is a child, which is represented in her colourful, cartoon world, she created for herself, and her dark backstory. We also see, that her crew isn't very good organised, since they fear her temper.

Yes, all your points were all bad calls from Big Mom, completely underestimating the Stawhats, but nothing isn't in line with her character. Making bad calls aren't plotholes.

3) Maybe she wanted to kill the Stawhats in the forest herself? It isn't a plothole, just a way for Oda to keep the suspense of questionable alignment of her going. Pedro and Brook not being there, wouldn't had changed anything.
Also Pudding falling for Sanji because of the small compliment, isn't terrible writing. She just played the evil mastermind, but she is truly a complete insecure person, who just like Lola wants to be loved and free spirited. Sanji clearly meant his compliment (since he doesn't like lying to woman) and it just showed, how extremely fragile Pudding's façade is.
Again not really a plothole, you maybe don't like the direction Pudding's character takes.

and i say this fully knwoing that luffy and hancock's relatinship is nothing but a joke and as a guy that hates shiping in his shonen...but i actually understood why hancock fell in love with luffy...with pudding all i can think is "plot convenience" and the stubborn refusal by Oda to let an evil good looking girl stay evil...for some reason.
Well, this ends the discussion, since you clearly just want to disagree, since you don't like the direction.
 

Majukun

Member
You're confusing Big Mom's characterization with a plot hole.

Luffy/The Straw Hats openly mocked her and her authority as a Yonko on Fishman Island. Big Mom is petty, vindictive and full of hubris. So what would be a better form of revenge? Blowing up your enemies when they're a dot on the horizon or letting them think they're close to saving their friend only to snatch it away at the last minute?

If you wanted Big Mom to be a very prudent military tactician that doesn't take any risk that fine but for how Oda has written her there's no plot hole.

read my asnwer I gave to the other user
for being this vindictive,big mom showed little to no concern to luffy and co...she never showed to care that much about getting revenge on them.
 

caliph95

Member
That's not really true at all. Plenty of stories have "holes" in the plot, where details are absent.
Yep but most of the time people use when characters don't act how they like to act (which would am pic moment not a plot joke or characters acting stupid), not liking plot development or people not paying attention

It been used very loosely
 

Majukun

Member
1) Sacrifice? I don't think she saw it that way. She didn't see them as a threat and willingly let them in because she could always deal with them later. She always had an interest in Luffy, ever since he taunted her in Fishman island, and she brings this up and mocks him after he gets captured.
they were enough of a threat that she sent one of her 3 top guys to deal with them...sur she was not trembling at the thought that luffy was coming..but she definitely didn't thought of them as a non-threat..let alone considering that if the starwhats didn't follow the plan and tried to get to another part of the island once sanji was not on the coast (like pedro and brook did),her entire "plan" would have been blown up to bits.



She offers to give someone a way out and rigs it so they'd always lose. Her power revolves around stripping the life from people and she taunts them while doing so. She tells Sanji that she would be willing to overlook Luffy's transgression against her if he complied to the wedding, despite fully intending on killing him.

She's sadistic.
or she is a just a selfish cheating bitch



I guess? That's a contrivance, not a plot hole.
nope,that's a plothole..it doesn't make any sense and she had no reason to do so in the logic of the story,it was there exclusively to cheat the audience.
 

Ray Down

Banned
Honestly, it's been a minute since I last saw it, but uhh, I don't see what's blasphemous about saying that he isn't funny, especially when compared to Caesar.

Wapol alot like CC asshole villain with comedic quirks and history.

From his design, to eating himself to become slimmer, his laugh, full of himself nature and thinks he is better.

Helps that his cover story is hilarious with him trying to fit in and being rejected now that he is no longer rich and shit and ugly, struggling to survive and constantly getting peed on by dogs its a lowering of stature.

Then when he discovers wapol metal all by accident with his power and gets rich, you think with the stuff before he be humble but nope just as big an asshole and still scheming to get back at Dalton to where he names his new kingdom after the one that rejected him.

I was just mostly joking, but I just find him funny.
 

PK Gaming

Member
That's not really true at all. Plenty of stories have "holes" in the plot, where details are absent.

I agree that the points being raised aren't really plotholes, but I also don't thin that the points are invalid. This arc is deeply unsatisfying because there isn't a single character that's really getting a chance to be fleshed out at all. We're meeting new characters constantly and none of them are being given proper time to develop or become compelling in the slightest. They're all gags. Big Mom even feels like one big gag even though she actually got a flashback.

That's been the case in One Piece for a long, long time though. Can you name a single notably compelling AND well developed character in Dressrosa? Punk Hazard? Fish Island? One Piece has understandably sped things up to finish its immense story at the cost of a lesser focus on characters, but I don't think this is a recent thing. From the moment part II started, it became the norm. If anything, it's a return to form because Sanji (after being absolute garbage for every arc post time skip) is finally a character.

hancock actually felled in love with luffy after he knew how he was as a person, first after he saved them after all they had done to him..then when he accepted without esitation to sacrifice his personal interest to save marguerite and the other 2 girls, and last when she knew that he went against a tenryuubito, something that has no doubt triggered in her memories about fisher tiger,the one man she owes her life to and probably admired her entire life.
Add to that that she had really not that much experience with other men, and you could see why she would fall in love with luffy, and she actually did it because he likes him as a person, since she showed no interest in his appearance before.

No disrespect, but all of this is generic shit. She fell in love with him because he's kind and pure. So unique. Luffy's utter lack of reciprocation makes it a boring one sided love, and Hancock's position as the "most beautiful person in the world" who hasn't fallen in love, but manages to fall in love with our protagonist is just... convenient.

pudding heard a shallow compliment by the guy that loves every single girl in the world..a guy that until that was for her a lowlife scum...and she was still considering a scum depsite knowing a pretty good amount about him and his personality,since they interacted way more than luffy and hancock interacted before she fell in love...and she still hated him and considered him a lowlife,so much that she broke sanji's spirit with her words.

The point is that he still cares about her despite everything that's happened. The fact that he'd It's still be willing to call her beautiful in spite of her 3rd eye and in spite of her nasty personality meant something to her. It's still not a very good romance, but at least it's 2-sided relationship. Certainly more nuanced than "I love you." "I love food."

and i say this fully knwoing that luffy and hancock's relatinship is nothing but a joke and as a guy that hates shiping in his shonen...but i actually understood why hancock fell in love with luffy...with pudding all i can think is "plot convenience" and the stubborn refusal by Oda to let an evil good looking girl stay evil...for some reason.

Every romance in One Piece is understandable. Girls falling in love with powerful men that "saved" them in some way. Lol.
 

LotusHD

Banned
Still trying to figure how Pudding not leaving is a plot hole when she never even mentioned to Tamago and co. where she was planning on going...

Wapol alot like CC asshole villain with comedic quirks and history.

From his design, to eating himself to become slimmer, his laugh, full of himself nature and thinks he is better.

Helps that his cover story is hilarious with him trying to fit in and being rejected now that he is no longer rich and shit and ugly, struggling to survive and constantly getting peed on by dogs its a lowering of stature.

Then when he discovers wapol metal all by accident with his power and gets rich, you think with the stuff before he be humble but nope just as big an asshole and still scheming to get back at Dalton to where he names his new kingdom after the one that rejected him.

I was just mostly joking, but I just find him funny.

Fair enough.
 

PK Gaming

Member
they were enough of a threat that she sent one of her 3 top guys to deal with them...sur she was not trembling at the thought that luffy was coming..but she definitely didn't thought of them as a non-threat..let alone considering that if the starwhats didn't follow the plan and tried to get to another part of the island once sanji was not on the coast (like pedro and brook did),her entire "plan" would have been blown up to bits.

She was fairly certainly her plan wouldn't fail because she's overly confident and immensely powerful. Letting the Straw Hats into the island only the dominate them with a show of force is congruent with that. The benefit for doing so led to multiple captures (which she wants, because she's a collector).

or she is a just a selfish cheating bitch

Think about why she's a cheating selfish bitch.

nope,that's a plothole..it doesn't make any sense and she had no reason to do so in the logic of the story,it was there exclusively to cheat the audience.

You don't know what a plot hole is.
 

Metal B

Member
I agree that the points being raised aren't really plotholes, but I also don't thin that the points are invalid. This arc is deeply unsatisfying because there isn't a single character that's really getting a chance to be fleshed out at all. We're meeting new characters constantly and none of them are being given proper time to develop or become compelling in the slightest. They're all gags. Big Mom even feels like one big gag even though she actually got a flashback.
What are you talking about?
We saw Big Mom, Sanji, Pudding, Jinbei, Pedro and Lola getting more fleshed out in this arc .Not every character needs a fleshed out background. Some character exist just to highlight other characters (like Big Mom's crew tells us a lot about her) and in most cases, what we don't know, can make a character eve more interesting as well.
One Piece always had wired and strange characters at its centre. Why are you just now noticing that?

Pedro's death is actually really cool but I can't find myself caring because Pedro himself wasn't super interesting or integral to the plot. It just feels like there's all the elements of a story here, a plot, characters, a villian, some protagonists... just none of it is gelling in a satisfying way.
Maybe we should talk about Pedro at the end of the arc. It's clear, that he played a major part in Carrot's past. It could be, that Pedro was a puzzle piece to highlight her in the end.
 

Ray Down

Banned
That's not really true at all. Plenty of stories have "holes" in the plot, where details are absent.

I agree that the points being raised aren't really plotholes, but I also don't thin that the points are invalid. This arc is deeply unsatisfying because there isn't a single character that's really getting a chance to be fleshed out at all. We're meeting new characters constantly and none of them are being given proper time to develop or become compelling in the slightest. They're all gags. Big Mom even feels like one big gag even though she actually got a flashback.

Pedro's death is actually really cool but I can't find myself caring because Pedro himself wasn't super interesting or integral to the plot. It just feels like there's all the elements of a story here, a plot, characters, a villian, some protagonists... just none of it is gelling in a satisfying way.

I agree with the Pedro stuff at the very least with this or at least how it's been handled.
 
Aaah this takes me back to dressrosa when people were calling the coliseum characters fodder and throwing the word around to every single one of them all because luffy could beat them all...good times
 

Majukun

Member
1) and 2): Big Mom is a sadist. She enjoys playing with her prey, which is clearly represented with her playful nature (like spinning a roulette you will always lose, instead of just killing you immediately). For her the Strawhats are just a joke, she can play around as she pleases. This also explained, why she has a party and wanted to kill the Vinsmokes there. We have witness multiple times, that Pirates just want to do, what they like. Even if it isn't very efficient or smart (see Luffy).
Big Mom is a child, which is represented in her colourful, cartoon world, she created for herself, and her dark backstory. We also see, that her crew isn't very good organised, since they fear her temper.

Yes, all your points were all bad calls from Big Mom, completely underestimating the Stawhats, but nothing isn't in line with her character. Making bad calls aren't plotholes.
making decisions that doesn't make sense kind of is a plothole..if not,i really sonder what a plothole is for you.

3) Maybe she wanted to kill the Stawhats in the forest herself? It isn't a plothole, just a way for Oda to keep the suspense of questionable alignment of her going. Pedro and Brook not being there, wouldn't had changed anything.
Also Pudding falling for Sanji because of the small compliment, isn't terrible writing. She just played the evil mastermind, but she is truly a complete insecure person, who just like Lola wants to be loved and free spirited. Sanji clearly meant his compliment (since he doesn't like lying to woman) and it just showed, how extremely fragile Pudding's façade is.
Again not really a plothole, you maybe don't like the direction Pudding's character takes.
pudding never has been the one to take matter on her won hands really, when in her room she was complaining of all that stuff she would have been forced to do during the day..does that sound like the girl that would go the extra mile to kill the strawhats herself?for what? what kind of grudge would she have that would justify such fury?
Again with the "is not a plothole" thing..what is a plothole for you exactly when people acting in a way that doesn't make sense for them in the story is not one ?

as per pudding..i don't really care about the direction of the characater since she never had much character to begin with,either when she was good or was bad..but her "heel turn" it's what made things stop making sense in the arc, that's for sure.
the fact that it was all for nothing since then she was turned good back again thanks to a shallow compliment only adds insult to injury.

Well, this ends the discussion, since you clearly just want to disagree, since you don't like the direction.

would i read all this words if i just wanted to disagree?seriously?
you might want to actually explain your position with more than "she does what she wants, it doesn't have to make sense" before dropping such a bomb on another's argument.
 

Seesaw15

Member
read my asnwer I gave to the other user
for being this vindictive,big mom showed little to no concern to luffy and co...she never showed to care that much about getting revenge on them.

Why would Big Mom show up in person she's a Yonko. She had her crew do the work for her and when Luffy and co was captured she called up to mock them. To her Luffy's just an upstart from the worst generation who needs to learn respect but she doesn't see him as an equal.
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Majukun

Member
She was fairly certainly her plan wouldn't fail because she's overly confident and immensely powerful. Letting the Straw Hats into the island only the dominate them with a show of force is congruent with that. The benefit for doing so led to multiple captures (which she wants, because she's a collector).
problem is her plan failing didn't really required any strenght..even just sanji not being an idiot and talking calmly with nami and luffy instead of trying to make luffy desist by force (like that ever worked) would have allowed them to just take sanji away and flee from the island.
sure he would have abandoned the vinsmokes..but from the point of view of big mom,there's really no reason for sanji NOT TO do that


You don't know what a plot hole is.
apparently not since everything can be waved off even if it doesn't make any sense either as a quirk of the character or a quirk of the author.
 
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