TangoAlphaLima
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Just saying there's more at risk for NFL players, which likely explains some of the reluctance. NFL players also have shorter careers on average than NBA players.
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Trump takes shots at Kaepernick, Get that son of a bitch off the field
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Just saying there's more at risk for NFL players, which likely explains some of the reluctance. NFL players also have shorter careers on average than NBA players.
RPGCrazied
Member
That singer taking a knee! Love it, much respect to you.
Here come some Trump tweets I bet.
Here come some Trump tweets I bet.
WonkyPanda
Member
Not even showing up to the anthem is, arguably, even more offensive than taking a knee during the anthem. At least one side has the decency to be there during the anthem as opposed to completely avoiding the anthem as if it were the plague.
Spectral Glider
Member
Trump is succeeding in distracting from their attempt to destroy health care...and the Russia investigation.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
No, not really.
RPGCrazied
Member
Its pretty much dead, McCain with those female senators kill the bill. And why would they now vote for it when the last couple of times they voted no?
You're right, taking away someone's right to protest is way more offensive.
we can think about 2 things at once
We live in an age of zero attention spans. The public eye will circle back to the worse stuff once it's done focusing on the latest shiny thing.
Alex_Mexico
Member
Did ANY Dallas Cowboys player take the knee? I'm seeing images of many teams but not Cowboys. What the hell?
True Underdog
Member
We can pay attention to, and care, about more than one thing at a time.
This reply is bad one, each time it comes up.
whitemex88
Member
The bears didn't either, the whole team just locked arms
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
So sick of this dumb theory. He spent an hour at that rally talking about 50 different subjects, including healthcare. It's society that decided to self-select the two minutes they care about.
The strategy is to go up on stage and fill time by talking about whatever comes to mind at that second and what he thinks will get the applause he desires. Everything else is people trying to attribute something that isn't there.
RPGCrazied
Member
Doubt it. They were the first team to support Trump. And the owner looks like a huge Trumper.
BigWeather
Member
And all the while ignoring huge humanitarian crises affecting American citizens. Amazing!
Nothing wrong with recognizing shitty acts before it's too late.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
I think the African-American portion of the player base is clearly larger in the NBA than the NFL, and that's true for the audience as well. I expect the NBA to always be more progressive on issues affecting African-Americans than any other sports league by a wide margin.
Don't think they play til tomorrow night. I doubt they will either
Triggerhappytel
Member
American patriotism is so fucking weird.
WonkyPanda
Member
This is about public optics and the irony of it. If Tomlin's goal was to keep this apolitical, who tried to do that with an act that is, at least, as offensive to the flag itself. I didn't make a comment to the players.
Lastly, Tomlin didn't take away anyone's right to protest. Villanueva went out there and me his own statement. The other players could have, too.
My comment isn't making reverence of Tomlin's actions; my point was to point out irony of trying to keep things apolitical.
They play on Monday night.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
This is jingoism, not patriotism. Don't let them tell you otherwise.
CornBurrito
Member
Work and business worship is a hallmark of America.
More_Badass
Member
Calling this a distraction is like saying adding more bullets during Russian Roulette is evening the odds
To successfully distract you really ought to either be doing something really good and noble, or at least keeping eyes off of you. Those topics come back up and people will be even more against them due to being against Trump.
EDIT: Damn, the above is more succinct.
Captin Quacker
Member
seriously
nevermind the fact that it's off topic within the context of the damn thread
Moreso called their Mothers bitches. Since they are all son's.
How is this not pure, unadulterated fascism?
"Stand for the national anthem, or face punishment."
WonkyPanda
Member
How many of these people who take offense to this also proudly wave another (dead) country's flag?
A flag of confederate traitors, mind you.
A flag of confederate traitors, mind you.
excelsiorlef
Member
I think that Villanueva going out there changes things quite a bit. As soon as you have one person choosing to go, it implies that the remainder of the team is actively choosing not to. Before that it just seemed like it was a team decision and players were in the locker room whether they liked it or not.
Beer Monkey
Member
Read more about it.
Someone should organize a protest where everyone just takes a knee in front of the WH.
That's already happened before with the Pledge of Allegiance.
That's already happened before with the Pledge of Allegiance.
excelsiorlef
Member
Not even taking the field as an entire unit is like kneeling times a 1000.
I thought it was great
Till I read the statement that was like "well we're staying out of it"
Ziltoidia 9
Member
The funniest thing is, I doubt Trump ever watches football or even know how its played.
NYR
Member
No, Trump went on another unscripted ad libbed tangent during a speech and continues to spread his idiocy.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Sarah Sanders: "The President appreciates his supporters that showed up at the White House today to bend at the knee and pledge their allegiance to him..."
More_Badass
Member
One player going out and standing makes the rest of the team not being there a statement IMO
Felix Lighter
Member
Unfortunately, the first amendment only protects against Congress passing laws and not the head of the Executive Branch and his administration pressuring businesses to fire employees that peacefully protesting. It's insane where we are right now.
He seems like the type that acts like he watched it so he can say to people, "hey, you catch that game last night?" When really all he does is watch the highlights online.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I'd argue it's more like intentionally not voting.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
No it isnt, you should actually read what he said
TangoAlphaLima
Member
You know he owned the USFL, right?
Mark Andrew
Member
This was enforced throughout my entire public school career. Not sure how they got away with it tbh.
I didn't think about that. That's exactly how they'd spin it.
Seriously though, does no one else think this whole Trump thing has distracted from the actual message that Kaepernick was sending?
Kneeling no longer says anything about racism and police brutality. It's all about sending Trump a message. If Trump hadn't said people that kneeled were sons of bitches, everything would've stayed the same. Players would say they support Kaep and think he should be on a team, but they wouldn't actually do anything. Now kneeling is the cool thing to do because Trump's an asshole.
Kneeling no longer says anything about racism and police brutality. It's all about sending Trump a message. If Trump hadn't said people that kneeled were sons of bitches, everything would've stayed the same. Players would say they support Kaep and think he should be on a team, but they wouldn't actually do anything. Now kneeling is the cool thing to do because Trump's an asshole.
NYR
Member
No its not. Watch Tomlins comments. They did not want to make a political statement either way and are avoiding the sitiuation all together to avoid players making a choice against each other. It was not meant as an act of defiance.