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Trump takes shots at Kaepernick, Get that son of a bitch off the field
- Thread starter Armadilo
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Same just happened at a gathering of my in-laws.
Then they started talking about how Trump is terrible and they cannot understand people who vote for him.
It was...uhh...something.
If lots of players protest then they aren't doing shit, aside from petty fines, I'm sure. So hopefully most of the big names participate
Turns out the constitution only applies when you are not at work
At a party, and someone dropped the gem that the players are too stupid for kneeling, and have no idea what theyre doing. Stick to sports was bingod too.
SolidSnakex
Member
Yeah but they can't do shit. Trump is seeing time and time again that his loud intimidation tactics may give his supporters a hardon, but it doesn't do anything for actually getting things done. Look at how well things are going with North Korea despite him constantly threatening them. Then he pulls this stunt and it immediately backfires.
My dad thinks Trump is a fucking idiot but also fucking hates seeing all these athletes kneel. I try to explain their point of view, but all he sees is that millionaires are being disrespectful to the flag.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Yes, the NFL can, the problem here is that they haven't, yet the government is stepping in and telling them they should. That's a clear violation of the free speech protection provided by the 1st Amendment.
For what it's worth, this is why I think genuine supporters of Trump are basically lost causes. Even a certain # of people who agree with some of what he says politically can still recognize he's an assholish conman.
Glass Shark
Banned
you should let him know the flag is an inanimate object and doesn't have feelings
Trying to force people to stand during national anthems, forcing punishments for those that don't, "free speech on your own time".
Those are dictatorship acts.
Rice-Eater
Member
Just wanted to address this part of your post. The problem now is that if they take some kind of action, it won't be seen as them doing it on their own. It will be seen as them caving to pressure from the White House and the very President who was very critical of the actions of these players in the first place.
If the NFL does what the President wants it will be seen as him basically successfully ordering the players to bend to his will and getting the last laugh in this dispute. If it somehow actually went that far I wonder just how the players and public will respond.
https://twitter.com/JasmineLWatkins/status/912001006262788098/
Rico Lavelle, took a knee after singing the National Anthem. Video at the link.
Rico Lavelle, took a knee after singing the National Anthem. Video at the link.
This coupled with Trump's rhetoric in Alabama, at what point do we have to stop saying it isn't? When they start trying to lock people away?
We'll never escape this shit.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
So far it's all talk. There are actual people being held as political prisoners and executed under real dictatorships around the world. Not to mention we still have elections, in case anyone forgot.
It becomes an actual free speech issue when you have the government pressuring businesses to fire people for political speech.
https://twitter.com/RockpileReport/status/911998726599737344 Video.
People booing the players that took a knee at the Bills/Broncos game.
People booing the players that took a knee at the Bills/Broncos game.
DoubleTake
Member
Anytime Paris comes on CNN i cant believe its real. There's no way people like that, especially somewhat educated ones, and black at that...exist right? That has to be a TV persona. My god I literally cannot
Psychotext
Member
Noice.
Suggesting Congress make a ruling would violate the First. Suggesting NFL owners do so doesn't.
If Starbucks wanted to fire employees who say Merry Christmas that'd be well within their rights. No different for another employer regulating its employees' behavior while on the clock (and even off it for public-facing roles).
That said, I love that now it's disrespecting the military and first responders. Soon Trumpets will be claiming it disrespects puppies and children, too.
What I don't love is that a nontrivial number of people will agree with this nonsense.
DoubleTake
Member
Also this.
niiiiiice
Well that how it was before 2009 until the government paid these NFL teams to come out and stand for the anthem.
Kinda rubs me the wrong way too. All of this happening today is in response to Trump, but before that, most of them talked about how much it sucked that Kaep was being blackballed, but they weren't actually taking action.
It feels like today's kneeling has taken away from the original message. Instead of being about equality and police brutality, it's now a "Fuck you" to Trump.
And Ray Lewis? Vouches for Trump, mocks Kaep. Hell stopped him from joining the Ravens. His ass is kneeling today.
The NBA is just so far ahead and my only conclusion is that the Culture of the NBA and NFL are vastly different.
DoubleTake
Member
Chris Kluwe telling it like it is..bless you
Za-Neen-Jya
Member
It's such bullshit that conservatives want athletes to shut up about politics, but shit-stains like Mnuchin can spew their verbal diarrhea about athletics and they're all silent.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
I long for the days when wearing a tan suit was the worst thing the president did for the whole year.
This motherfucker is threatening to blow North Korea off the face of the earth while twitter beefing with the NFL.
Mueller please find enough dirt to get his ass out of office.
This motherfucker is threatening to blow North Korea off the face of the earth while twitter beefing with the NFL.
Mueller please find enough dirt to get his ass out of office.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
NBA contracts are guaranteed...
Link pls.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
The fucking irony in this video is too much. They're condemning and booing the players while they themselves are also being disrespectful
Emerson
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Have you ever considered sacrificing the social comfort of this birthday party and calling out the bullshit you hear rather than standing silent and letting morons speak unopposed?
DoubleTake
Member
Had him speaking on CNN a couple of minutes ago.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Further irony is that they'll boo these players during the anthem but cheer them if they make a big play afterwards.
You know what's the funniest thing. Every single one of them are crying about it. When they paid to see those players play. LOL
Said it before, if the players walked for one week. It's be fucking fire and brimstone.
I wonder how the rest of the team will react to him.
Emerson
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Wouldn't let you down by dodging the issue entirely?
That is good and all but I truly hope this doesn't turn into the "#taketheknee challenge".
There is a message behind taking a knee that goes beyond a big "fuck you trump" and we must not let that message get pushed to the back.
You're proud that they are keeping politics out of your football?
They did it because Tomlin didn't want to "participate in politics"...
I would imagine they would be fine with it unless he started trashing his teammates to the media. You never hit that 100% participation with a protest, after all.
He is half-Malaysian from a country which treats immigrants and refugees like shit, so I imagine he appreciates the message.