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Wkd BO 10•06-08•17 - Ponies trampled by Runner, Mountain Between #1 & #2

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Famassu

Member
Miles X said:
Lol wtf? stop acting like there is a heirachy within minorities and POC top it. I could say you're part of the 'straight' majority. Ridiculous.
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Of course there's hierarchy. Even if you are gay, unless you are super obvious about it publicly, if you are white, people aren't gonna treat you like you are a fucking terrorist like muslims or shoot you outside your suburb home because a black man having a home at a "good" suburb seems impossible to some (obviously they are up to no good! can't be that a black man is successful in life and having a night walk in a "good" (read: majority white) neighborhood).

You just clearly lack any empathy towards POC and their issues regarding more visible representation in Hollywood/movie & tv industry and just can't understand why a latino or a black person would like to support movies that give them any kind of positive spotlight, because you don't have to go out of your way to see movies with white people, because every movie has them. Even the progressive/more equal ones are often, like, 75+% white with 1-3 token minority protagonists and maybe a few unimportant side/background characters thrown in there.

You could say that I'm a part of that majority, but that has no bearing to this argument or your incapability of giving a shit about representation in movies & TV. Like really giving a shit, not just being all "wouldn't that be cool"

Miles X said:
And no that isn't the 'vibe' I got from him. It was "There are no latinos in this movie, why should I care". Fair if that's how he wants to play it, but it's stupid reasoning and you're gonna miss out on a lot of films with that outlook.
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Well, first of all, you read that post completely wrong. Someone said that latinos will likely make a noticeable portion of Ragnarok's viewer base and jett was just "I'm latino, what exactly would make Thor: Ragnarok so appealing to us?" Nowhere does Jett say he's not gonna see the movie because there are no latinos in it. Just questioned why someone would think latinos would come to see a white-ass movie like Thor: Ragnarok en masse because contrary to your thoughts, the minorities themselves do like to support positive representation when there is some and Ragnarok doesn't seem like the kind of movie that would pull those audiences in.

And again, I've already explained that it's not about "refusing to see movies with no latino actors" and more about "supporting movies that do positive & diverse representation" and there's nothing wrong or stupid about that. Nothing wrong with supporting entertainment endeavours that go for more diverse representation at the expense of ones that are still ignorant of the issues that POC, sexual minorities & women still face in their representation in the entertainment industry.
 
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Prompto

Banned
Shaanyboi said:
Are we talking about Deadpool 2? Because I don't see that hitting quite as high as the original. The first was fresh, but some might've felt the sense of humor wasn't for them.

BP is going to have the boost of being the first black-lead MCU film, while also the marketing power of being able to reach kids. That said, I wouldn't be surprised at the racists who outright boycott it.
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I think Deadpool 2 is going to do better than the first, at least domestically. Deadpool has only gotten more popular and that short they released with Logan that isn't even a trailer has got like 70 million views on YouTube. It's got a lot more competition and I doubt it hits 400 million but it should still do quite well.

Don't expect it to review as well as the first though.
 
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Pharaun

Member
hodayathink said:
Deadpool made more money domestically than any Marvel solo movie that wasn't a sequel (if you count Avengers as the pseudo-sequel that it is). Only one Marvel movie that didn't feature Iron Man has made more money than it.
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I love Deadpool, but it was a convergence of several things that got it there. It was a good bit of counter programing against the typical Valentine's movies, February doesn't typically get big releases so it had several weeks of subpar competition to boost it's legs, the marketing was on point and had a good lead up to help hype it, and I can keep going. If it had released in the normal summer season I don't think it would have done quite as well.
 
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Leona Lewis

Banned
Famassu said:
Of course there's hierarchy. Even if you are gay, unless you are super obvious about it publicly, if you are white, people aren't gonna treat you like you are a fucking terrorist like muslims or shoot you outside your suburb home because a black man having a home at a "good" suburb seems impossible to some (obviously they are up to no good! can't be that a black man is successful in life and having a night walk in a "good" (read: majority white) neighborhood).

You just clearly lack any empathy towards POC and their issues regarding more visible representation in Hollywood/movie & tv industry and just can't understand why a latino or a black person would like to support movies that give them any kind of positive spotlight, because you don't have to go out of your way to see movies with white people, because every movie has them. Even the progressive/more equal ones are often, like, 75+% white with 1-3 token minority protagonists and maybe a few unimportant side/background characters thrown in there.

You could say that I'm a part of that majority, but that has no bearing to this argument or your incapability of giving a shit about representation in movies & TV. Like really giving a shit, not just being all "wouldn't that be cool"
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+1 to this and to #blackpanther2018worlddomination

Michael B. Jordan, Lupita, and Angela Bassett in the same promo tour? The red carpet, interview circuit, and tie-in landscape will never be the same.

$400 million domestic. MINIMUM.
 
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PhoncipleBone

Banned
Lupita gonna shame everyone on the red carpet.
It would be a nearly impossible challenge to make her look bad on the red carpet. Stuff that shouldn’t work with anyone, she pulls off.
 
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Sweeney Tom

Banned
Deadpool 2's gonna be big, I'm just not yet believing it'll be bigger than the first one

Famassu said:
Of course there's hierarchy. Even if you are gay, unless you are super obvious about it publicly, if you are white, people aren't gonna treat you like you are a fucking terrorist like muslims or shoot you outside your suburb home because a black man having a home at a "good" suburb seems impossible to some (obviously they are up to no good! can't be that a black man is successful in life and having a night walk in a "good" (read: majority white) neighborhood).

You just clearly lack any empathy towards POC and their issues regarding more visible representation in Hollywood/movie & tv industry and just can't understand why a latino or a black person would like to support movies that give them any kind of positive spotlight, because you don't have to go out of your way to see movies with white people, because every movie has them. Even the progressive/more equal ones are often, like, 75+% white with 1-3 token minority protagonists and maybe a few unimportant side/background characters thrown in there.

You could say that I'm a part of that majority, but that has no bearing to this argument or your incapability of giving a shit about representation in movies & TV. Like really giving a shit, not just being all "wouldn't that be cool"

Well, first of all, you read that post completely wrong. Someone said that latinos will likely make a noticeable portion of Ragnarok's viewer base and jett was just "I'm latino, what exactly would make Thor: Ragnarok so appealing to us?" Nowhere does Jett say he's not gonna see the movie because there are no latinos in it. Just questioned why someone would think latinos would come to see a white-ass movie like Thor: Ragnarok en masse because contrary to your thoughts, the minorities themselves do like to support positive representation when there is some and Ragnarok doesn't seem like the kind of movie that would pull those audiences in.

And again, I've already explained that it's not about "refusing to see movies with no latino actors" and more about "supporting movies that do positive & diverse representation" and there's nothing wrong or stupid about that. Nothing wrong with supporting entertainment endeavours that go for more diverse representation at the expense of ones that are still ignorant of the issues that POC, sexual minorities & women still face in their representation in the entertainment industry.
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Agreed completely
 
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Prompto

Banned
Is there any way Black Panther isn't the best superhero movie of 2018? I mean let's be real, nothing is probably coming close to it if it's as good as Creed and Fruitvale Station. Infinity War will probably be good but not great. New Mutants might be something original but I only see it being decent at best. Deadpool 2 will most likely only be as good as the original. Same with Ant-Man. And Dark Phoenix is probably just going to straight up be terrible. I have no idea what to expect from Aquaman. I guess that's a wild card.
 
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hodayathink

Member
Pharaun said:
I love Deadpool, but it was a convergence of several things that got it there. It was a good bit of counter programing against the typical Valentine's movies, February doesn't typically get big releases so it had several weeks of subpar competition to boost it's legs, the marketing was on point and had a good lead up to help hype it, and I can keep going. If it had released in the normal summer season I don't think it would have done quite as well.
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I don't disagree with you, and that would be relevant if my original question was BP vs. Deadpool 2. But the question was BP vs. Deadpool 1.

Prompto said:
Is there any way Black Panther isn't the best superhero movie of 2018? I mean let's be real, nothing is probably coming close to it if it's as good as Creed and Fruitvale Station. Infinity War will probably be good but not great. New Mutants might be something original but I only see it being decent at best. Deadpool 2 will most likely only be as good as the original. Same with Ant-Man. And Dark Phoenix is probably just going to straight up be terrible. I have no idea what to expect from Aquaman. I guess that's a wild card.
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Venom will end up being the best superhero movie of 2018, followed by Miles Morales Spider-Man.
 
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Sibersk Esto

Banned
Can "Scott Mendelson's Kooky Comparisons" become a thing?

Scott Mendelson‏Verified account @ScottMendelson 13h13 hours ago
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Box Office: THE FOREIGNER Is Succeeding Where WARCRAFT Failed
 
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hodayathink

Member
Sibersk Esto said:
Can "Scott Mendelson's Kooky Comparisons" become a thing?

Scott Mendelson‏Verified account @ScottMendelson 13h13 hours ago
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Box Office: THE FOREIGNER Is Succeeding Where WARCRAFT Failed
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He doesn't deserve the clicks. Then again, as someone once said, deserve's got nothing to do with it.
 
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Slayven

Member
You know Marvel is going to be an ass and dropped a new BP trailer or a Infinity War teaser around the time of Justice League.
 
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broncobuster

Banned
Sibersk Esto said:
Disney likes fucking with JL, dropping Thor and Star Wars trailers like a few days out from JL's.
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Star Wars trailer was planned far in advance. As much as people try to speculate about how these huge companies make business decisions like petty children, it's simply not the case.
 
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PhoncipleBone

Banned
Home video isn't a big enough part of the pie to make much of a difference anymore. Best it can hope is more people discover it over the years and it grows in stature even though it was a financial disappointment when it released.

That sounds like a familiar story...
 
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Slayven

Member
PhoncipleBone said:
Home video isn't a big enough part of the pie to make much of a difference anymore. Best it can hope is more people discover it over the years and it grows in stature even though it was a financial disappointment when it released.

That sounds like a familiar story...
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How much does home video does a week?
 
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Sweeney Tom

Banned
Yeah, the second that budget was revealed, I was thinking that basically the only ways home video could have any positive impact on it making a profit were either 1) it makes 99.9% of the budget back miraculously before leaving theaters, or 2) it gets at least as many home media cuts and rereleases as the first one did
 
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kswiston

Member
Boxoffice.com bumped up their Geostorm prediction to a whopping $12M opening weekend.

They also gave Ragnarok a slight increase to $105M OW and $269M total


I think that their first prediction for The Last Jedi goes up next week.
 
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Slayven

Member
PhoncipleBone said:
It is declining.
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Makes sense the only people i know that buy dvds are parents and enthusiasts
Sweeney Tom said:
Yeah, the second that budget was revealed, I was thinking that basically the only ways home video could have any positive impact on it making a profit were either 1) it makes 99.9% of the budget back miraculously before leaving theaters, or 2) it gets at least as many home media cuts and rereleases as the first one did
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As much shit as BvS got for the extended cut, no way they would do that shit today

kswiston said:
Boxoffice.com bumped up their Geostorm prediction to a whopping $12M opening weekend.

They also gave Ragnarok a slight increase to $105M OW and $269M total


I think that their first prediction for The Last Jedi goes up next week.
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Geostorm is a dark horse.
 
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PhoncipleBone

Banned
Thor 3: Ragnarock gonna make extra bank like IT did since it will come a month after the last good huge release. People are gonna want to go to the movies.
 
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Slayven

Member
broncobuster said:
Geostorm comes off like a fake movie you'd see in Entourage or Tropic Thunder.
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LOL the commercials feel exactly like that.

It is always interesting to see what marketing deals movies make. I chuckled when last night i saw Gerald Butler pretending to be a fan of Gold Rush on the Discovery channel
 
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

Banned
Penguin said:
It's actually one of the sadder aspects of Disney owning Star Wars/Marvel for me, they don't seem to care much for being risky with other releases and have pretty much narrowed their launches down to

Star Wars
2X MCU
Pixar
Animated film
live-action remake of animated movie

With maybe the odd movie here and there
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I don't disagree. Disney seems to be either on the $150MM+ budgets or the <15MM nature documentary and ESPN films. They are trying to avoid releasing turds like George Clooney's tomorrowland, Finest Hour, and The Lone Ranger, which will be good not only for their pockets but for us as well, so we don't waste our times. Matter of fact, bombas like those are probably part of the reason why they are very wary on risking things when they can get sure fire hits.

It's part of the reason I really want their streaming service to succeed. They are promising some original movies and tv shows, and just like netflix originals, there's no reason why they can't release it theatrically if they deem it worthy. Ever since the sale of Miramax and closure of Hollywood/Touchstone, they have had an obviously huge gap in their lineup on mid budget movies and "hard" T/R rated movies.

EDIT: I should say that movies like McFarland, Saving Mr. Banks, etc are great examples of recent movies that would be perfect for the service. Old classics being remade like Homeward Bound and Benji: The Hunted would be fantastic. On the upper end of things they could try things like Gone in 60 seconds remake (which given the success of FF, I'm surprised they haven't) with a biggish budget and theatrical releases. All those remakes along with original ideas, of course, but you get the point.

Mix Master said:
WB is the GOAT film distributor. Disney is just kid stuff mostly, its sad.
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For fans, I would agree. For stakeholders, I will disagree.

SoRuffShoNuff said:
Of course Disney is kid stuff, it's pretty much the foundation of the entire company.
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Yeah, but as mentioned above, there's an obvious gap on their movie lineup. They need to address that gap eventually either by reopening a previous closed production label/company or, more likely, an acquisition.
 
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hodayathink

Member
As far as Disney movies go, the next one that isn't part of their normal trend is A Wrinkle in Time, and time will tell if that becomes the next PotC or the next Tomorrowland.
 
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PhoncipleBone

Banned
Or the next Pete's Dragon. Based on something beloved from the past, it will get good reviews and ultimately vanish with minimal box office grosses.
 
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Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
hodayathink said:
As far as Disney movies go, the next one that isn't part of their normal trend is A Wrinkle in Time, and time will tell if that becomes the next PotC or the next Tomorrowland.
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If it's faithful to the book I can't imagine any scenario where it's the next PotC.
 
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hodayathink

Member
Slayven said:
A wrinkle in time is disney?

Damn.....
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Yup, Ava signed on to do it like a month or two after she met with Marvel for Black Panther, which makes me think that someone liked her, but wasn't sure what they wanted to have her do.

Edit: It's also the reason Ava was never going to direct Episode 9. She'd have had less time to do it than Rian.
 
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Litan

Member
Famassu said:
Of course there's hierarchy. Even if you are gay, unless you are super obvious about it publicly, if you are white, people aren't gonna treat you like you are a fucking terrorist like muslims or shoot you outside your suburb home because a black man having a home at a "good" suburb seems impossible to some (obviously they are up to no good! can't be that a black man is successful in life and having a night walk in a "good" (read: majority white) neighborhood).

You just clearly lack any empathy towards POC and their issues regarding more visible representation in Hollywood/movie & tv industry and just can't understand why a latino or a black person would like to support movies that give them any kind of positive spotlight, because you don't have to go out of your way to see movies with white people, because every movie has them. Even the progressive/more equal ones are often, like, 75+% white with 1-3 token minority protagonists and maybe a few unimportant side/background characters thrown in there.

You could say that I'm a part of that majority, but that has no bearing to this argument or your incapability of giving a shit about representation in movies & TV. Like really giving a shit, not just being all "wouldn't that be cool"

Well, first of all, you read that post completely wrong. Someone said that latinos will likely make a noticeable portion of Ragnarok's viewer base and jett was just "I'm latino, what exactly would make Thor: Ragnarok so appealing to us?" Nowhere does Jett say he's not gonna see the movie because there are no latinos in it. Just questioned why someone would think latinos would come to see a white-ass movie like Thor: Ragnarok en masse because contrary to your thoughts, the minorities themselves do like to support positive representation when there is some and Ragnarok doesn't seem like the kind of movie that would pull those audiences in.

And again, I've already explained that it's not about "refusing to see movies with no latino actors" and more about "supporting movies that do positive & diverse representation" and there's nothing wrong or stupid about that. Nothing wrong with supporting entertainment endeavours that go for more diverse representation at the expense of ones that are still ignorant of the issues that POC, sexual minorities & women still face in their representation in the entertainment industry.
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Preach.
 
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