how is Pittsburgh not on here? I'd say they have a way better chance then many of these cities.
Yup. That's honestly why I think Chicago is still in the runningThey already have. It's in Kenosha.
I hope not. I would prefer if they didn't come to Illinois. Unless they decided to put it on the Southside and redevelop some of those areas I don't think it would be worth the tax incentives they would have to give them.Yup. That's honestly why I think Chicago is still in the running
NoVA too. If one still counts Virginia as "the south". I realize the capital of the confederacy is here, but VA sure doesn't feel like the south anymore. Well, unless one heads out to the mountains.
Toronto has no universities?
Nice chart.
how is Pittsburgh not on here? I'd say they have a way better chance then many of these cities.
The ranking they have on there is bizzarre. Houston is higher ranked for Mass transit than Boston, and Boston is 8th for Universities?
AEG said:Using measureable factors from the lists above, we have compiled the AEG HQ2 index, which captures a citys measurable advantage in attracting Amazons HQ2. For the 35 cities in the United States that meet specific requirements from the RFP, we estimate their performance using 11 total metrics across three broad categories:
-Access to Labor and Services, including four indicators: degrees granted in relevant fields of study by colleges; employment of workers in specific occupational categories; size of the business services industry; and the number of migrants with bachelors degrees from other counties, states, and countries.
-Ease of Transportation, including two indicators: hours of delay due to traffic congestion, and per-capita use of public transit systems.
-Cost of Doing Business, including five indicators: state and local business taxes (using Anderson Economic Groups Business Tax Burden studies); rental costs for commercial real estate; and unit cost of labor in 3 occupations important to Amazon. Note that this measure of labor costs takes into account worker productivity, meaning that more productive workers can be ranked higher even if their wages are also higher.
The ranking they have on there is bizzarre. Houston is higher ranked for Mass transit than Boston, and Boston is 8th for Universities?
Can someone explain to me why Detroit is so low? It seems like the biggest detriment to Detroit is the lack of mass transit.
They acted as if it's a done-deal on Pittsburgh public radio. I kind of doubt we're getting it, but it'd love to see it here!
They acted as if it's a done-deal on Pittsburgh public radio. I kind of doubt we're getting it, but it'd love to see it here!
Only Wayne State and UM Dearborn are in the area. Henry Ford and Schoolcraft just sort of exist, and the rest are in other counties.Can someone explain to me why Detroit is so low? It seems like the biggest detriment to Detroit is the lack of mass transit.
How in the world was their airport score calculated? Plenty of rankings place Detroits airport amongst the top in the nation. Heres one for example: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2017-north-america-airport-satisfaction-study
There are plenty of universities. U of M is highly regarded, MSU is no slouch. Then there are schools like Wayne State, Western Michigan, and Central Michigan. Those dont have the same prestige as a U of M or MSU, obviously, but no lack of higher education. Detroit public schools are disastourous and in need of help, but Amazon breathing life into the area seems like something that may help there. School districts in metro Detroit are the opposite of Detroit proper. Theyre well regarded and would probably be where most Amazon employees live anyway.
Then theres the ability for employees who cant get a visa to live in Canada. Plenty of people live in Windsor and work in Detroit.
Theres ample amount of space. Im sure Im forgetting things.
And Im not even suggesting Detroit should be a frontrunner. I just really cant understand this CNBC graph. The airport rank seems to go against every other list Ive ever seen.
Oh, and thoughts on this? http://www.detroitmovestheworld.com/
Toronto has no universities?
Nice chart.
Only Wayne State and UM Dearborn are in the area. Henry Ford and Schoolcraft just sort of exist, and the rest are in other counties.
Detroit basically has no transit infrastructure either. No trains, the busses suck, and if they go with the suggested area in Southfield, Telegraph/75/96 will be a fucking nightmare.
Primarily because the types of employees they're going to want to attract aren't going to want to move to Detroit. City's decaying. You want to move somewhere that's growing.Can someone explain to me why Detroit is so low? It seems like the biggest detriment to Detroit is the lack of mass transit.
How in the world was their airport score calculated? Plenty of rankings place Detroit's airport amongst the top in the nation. Here's one for example: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2017-north-america-airport-satisfaction-study
Also, how is ”universities" score calculated? There are plenty of universities. U of M is highly regarded, MSU is no slouch. Then there are schools like Wayne State, Western Michigan, and Central Michigan. Those don't have the same prestige as a U of M or MSU, obviously, but no lack of higher education. Does Denver, for example, really have better universites than Detroit? If so, what ones?
Detroit public schools are disastourous and in need of help, but Amazon breathing life into the area seems like something that may help there. School districts in metro Detroit are the opposite of Detroit proper. They're well regarded and would probably be where most Amazon employees live anyway.
Then there's the ability for employees who can't get a visa to live in Canada. Plenty of people live in Windsor and work in Detroit.
There's ample amount of space. I'm sure I'm forgetting things.
And I'm not even suggesting Detroit should be a frontrunner. I just really can't understand this CNBC graph. The airport rank seems to go against every other list I've ever seen and being unranked in universities with U of M and MSU so near is mind boggling.
Oh, and thoughts on this? http://www.detroitmovestheworld.com/
Primarily because the types of employees they're going to want to attract aren't going to want to move to Detroit. City's decaying.
Ignoring the "too big" cities on the AEG list, Atlanta/Philly/DC are next up and are all up and coming cities.
In what ways is the city decaying? I walk around downtown everyday, so I'm sure I'm bias, but the amount of construction is staggering. Even the transformation in the last two years in pretty crazy.
New skyscraper coming: http://www.freep.com/story/money/bu...t-architecture-hudsons-development/663439001/
Old skyscraper being restored: https://detroit.curbed.com/2017/8/25/16202926/book-tower-restoration-video
Plenty of other stuff: https://detroit.curbed.com/maps/map-detroit-construction-development
Ugh post like yours really peeve me. ”City's decaying" with no shred of evidence.
Well the population has been on decline for several years, which is terrible for the local economy. Also, when I visited Detroit and Windsor, the latter felt like a paradise in comparison to Detroit. Just my experience though.
One of the proposed buildings is the old Northland Mall in SouthfieldThe suggested area is not in Southfield. Its downtown. Dan Gilbert is even offering to temporairly move his employees out of his buildings until Amazon properly moves into whichever building they choose (if it were to happen). If I recall correctly, Southfield was going to submit their own bid. I could be wrong.
And actually no to your traffic nightmare. Straight from Detroit proposal site, Best of all, of the 15 largest metro areas, Detroit drivers spend the least amount of time in traffic congestion during peak periods.
Like I said, the mass transit is the biggest detriment and why I could see Detroit being eliminated.
Still not understanding the criteria on airports. And do they mention required proximity to university for it to be considered as part of the citys attractiveness? I guess Ive never considered U of M or MSU that far from Detroit. Surely theyd attract grads from both schools if they were in Detroit.
Not that Wiki is the be all end all, but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Detroit#Education
Now this is just wrong. The city has been rebuilding successfully for the past 5 years.Primarily because the types of employees they're going to want to attract aren't going to want to move to Detroit. City's decaying. You want to move somewhere that's growing.
Ignoring the "too big" cities on the AEG list, Atlanta/Philly/DC are next up and are all up and coming cities.
In what ways is the city decaying? I walk around downtown everyday, so Im sure Im bias, but the amount of construction is staggering. Even the transformation in the last two years in pretty crazy.
New skyscraper coming: http://www.freep.com/story/money/bu...t-architecture-hudsons-development/663439001/
Old skyscraper being restored: https://detroit.curbed.com/2017/8/25/16202926/book-tower-restoration-video
Plenty of other stuff: https://detroit.curbed.com/maps/map-detroit-construction-development
Ugh post like yours really peeve me. Citys decaying with no shred of evidence.
Our decaying new arena:
One of the proposed buildings is the old Northland Mall in Southfield
As for transit, I just have a hard time believing our freeways will be able to stand up to such a massive influx of traffic. The Amazon distribution center in Livonia which is down the road from my work, will probably soon begin to impact traffic on 96. I just am skeptical our transit will hold up, not trying to undermine it at all.
In regards to schools and as someone who goes to UM Dearborn, in the immediate Detroit area only Wayne State/Dearborn have name recognition and offer programs that would be beneficial to Amazon.
Now this is just wrong. The city has been rebuilding successfully for the past 5 years.
Only Wayne State and UM Dearborn are in the area. Henry Ford and Schoolcraft just sort of exist, and the rest are in other counties.
Detroit basically has no transit infrastructure either. No trains, the busses suck, and if they go with the suggested area in Southfield, Telegraph/75/96 will be a fucking nightmare.
Not sure the methodology but they could be using different standards to compare.... E.g. this 2011 source says TO and Van only 30% and 28% of the pop. has undergraduate education or higher, which would rank both quite low for education compared to the 40-50% that many of those US cities apparently have. But if you look at methodology, the CAN study looks at >15 year olds but the US one looks at >25 year olds. I'm guessing MSNBC, for a 'we have nothing new to run today so please write this article before tmr' report, they may have quickly just grabbed some CDN data and included it with US data without accounting for possible methodology differences.Eh? Toronto and Ontario in general has fantastic universities.
It's not stopped bleeding population: https://www.google.com/publicdata/e...lation&idim=place:2622000:3916000&hl=en&dl=enNow this is just wrong. The city has been rebuilding successfully for the past 5 years.
Decline in major industries along with dealing population. Both two huge factors.
Yes, you are biased.
It's not stopped bleeding population: https://www.google.com/publicdata/e...lation&idim=place:2622000:3916000&hl=en&dl=en
I'd have to say Baltimore.
Can someone explain to me why Detroit is so low? It seems like the biggest detriment to Detroit is the lack of mass transit.
How in the world was their airport score calculated? Plenty of rankings place Detroits airport amongst the top in the nation. Heres one for example: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2017-north-america-airport-satisfaction-study
Also, how is universities score calculated? There are plenty of universities. U of M is highly regarded, MSU is no slouch. Then there are schools like Wayne State, Western Michigan, and Central Michigan. Those dont have the same prestige as a U of M or MSU, obviously, but no lack of higher education. Does Denver, for example, really have better universites than Detroit? If so, what ones?
Detroit public schools are disastourous and in need of help, but Amazon breathing life into the area seems like something that may help there. School districts in metro Detroit are the opposite of Detroit proper. Theyre well regarded and would probably be where most Amazon employees live anyway.
Then theres the ability for employees who cant get a visa to live in Canada. Plenty of people live in Windsor and work in Detroit.
Theres ample amount of space. Im sure Im forgetting things.
And Im not even suggesting Detroit should be a frontrunner. I just really cant understand this CNBC graph. The airport rank seems to go against every other list Ive ever seen and being unranked in universities with U of M and MSU so near is mind boggling.
Oh, and thoughts on this? http://www.detroitmovestheworld.com/
I hope not. I would prefer if they didn't come to Illinois. Unless they decided to put it on the Southside and redevelop some of those areas I don't think it would be worth the tax incentives they would have to give them.
There is just so much unused prime real estate in Philadelphia that's readily available and accessible that it does make sense. It helps that its not big in square area but very dense in populous.
Maybe where Tastykake was in north Philly?
Seattle local here. You don't want Amazon in ur city. Trust me.
Ugh
Maybe I'm just delusional, but I want Amazon to pick some city in a conservative state just in the hopes that more liberal minded people will move their and mix up the demographics.
Had 10,000 more people voted in favor of funding and building the commuter rail and rapid-bus transit through the RTA last fall, Detroit might have a shot.
But with voters in metro Detroit, specifically Macomb, once again shunning transit, I think there is no chance. The move towards people who want to live in cities like Amazon is hoping to attract is not car transit, but walking and being shuttled by someone else. A fleet of Uber won't do.
me said:I'm not arguing Detroit should be the frontrunner, I'm arguing we shouldn't be second from the bottom on CNBC's chart - which is what my initial question was about.
I think we probably shouldn't get it due to our abysmal mass transit alone.
Honestly, I'd like them to pick a distressed area/ If you want to prove you are a progressive company, go to a place where the people aren't rich and is already gentrified.
Keep on hearing about Atlanta being in the mix...........would be very interesting to see that play out. Hope that would be an incentive for the state to fucking give MARTA some money in order to expand the public transit system.
I don't think you understand supply and demand.San Diego plz. It would help with the sky rocketing cost of living here. Shit is nutso.
Because it's a shitshow here as it is. Can't deal with another 50k well paid people and their families on top of what we already have coming in the pipe the next five years.I wonder why the none of the Bay Area cities didn't bid....