how is Pittsburgh not on here? I'd say they have a way better chance then many of these cities.
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Amazon looking to build a second HQ in North America, will add 50k jobs
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how is Pittsburgh not on here? I'd say they have a way better chance then many of these cities.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yup. That's honestly why I think Chicago is still in the running
I hope not. I would prefer if they didn't come to Illinois. Unless they decided to put it on the Southside and redevelop some of those areas I don't think it would be worth the tax incentives they would have to give them.
If you can see Washington DC from your house, you're not in the south.
Seriously, we have no universities (at least 3, but could be more depending on how you count), uneducated labour force (tell that to the AI researchers, data scientists, and engineers literally everywhere), and weak airports (only 2), but top notch public transit (what?)... It doesn't seem like anyone from CNBC has ever been to Toronto.
The ranking they have on there is bizzarre. Houston is higher ranked for Mass transit than Boston, and Boston is 8th for Universities?
Yeah honestly that site is just using a bad, flawed methodology lmao
Can someone explain to me why Detroit is so low? It seems like the biggest detriment to Detroit is the lack of mass transit.
How in the world was their airport score calculated? Plenty of rankings place Detroits airport amongst the top in the nation. Heres one for example: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2017-north-america-airport-satisfaction-study
Also, how is universities score calculated? There are plenty of universities. U of M is highly regarded, MSU is no slouch. Then there are schools like Wayne State, Western Michigan, and Central Michigan. Those dont have the same prestige as a U of M or MSU, obviously, but no lack of higher education. Does Denver, for example, really have better universites than Detroit? If so, what ones?
Detroit public schools are disastourous and in need of help, but Amazon breathing life into the area seems like something that may help there. School districts in metro Detroit are the opposite of Detroit proper. Theyre well regarded and would probably be where most Amazon employees live anyway.
Then theres the ability for employees who cant get a visa to live in Canada. Plenty of people live in Windsor and work in Detroit.
Theres ample amount of space. Im sure Im forgetting things.
And Im not even suggesting Detroit should be a frontrunner. I just really cant understand this CNBC graph. The airport rank seems to go against every other list Ive ever seen and being unranked in universities with U of M and MSU so near is mind boggling.
Oh, and thoughts on this? http://www.detroitmovestheworld.com/
I wouldn't be so confident. I think because we've had so much recent tech moving in, including some small amazon offices, people are getting cocky.
Eh? Toronto and Ontario in general has fantastic universities.
Pattycakes
Banned
Why did they say it was basically a done-deal ?
Only Wayne State and UM Dearborn are in the area. Henry Ford and Schoolcraft just sort of exist, and the rest are in other counties.
Detroit basically has no transit infrastructure either. No trains, the busses suck, and if they go with the suggested area in Southfield, Telegraph/75/96 will be a fucking nightmare.
Apparently no Canadian cities have universities! Where the hell did I go for four years?
The suggested area is not in Southfield. Its downtown. Dan Gilbert is even offering to temporairly move his employees out of his buildings until Amazon properly moves into whichever building they choose (if it were to happen). If I recall correctly, Southfield was going to submit their own bid. I could be wrong.
And actually no to your traffic nightmare. Straight from Detroit proposal site, Best of all, of the 15 largest metro areas, Detroit drivers spend the least amount of time in traffic congestion during peak periods.
Like I said, the mass transit is the biggest detriment and why I could see Detroit being eliminated.
Still not understanding the criteria on airports. And do they mention required proximity to university for it to be considered as part of the citys attractiveness? I guess Ive never considered U of M or MSU that far from Detroit. Surely theyd attract grads from both schools if they were in Detroit.
Not that Wiki is the be all end all, but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Detroit#Education
Primarily because the types of employees they're going to want to attract aren't going to want to move to Detroit. City's decaying. You want to move somewhere that's growing.
Ignoring the "too big" cities on the AEG list, Atlanta/Philly/DC are next up and are all up and coming cities.
In what ways is the city decaying? I walk around downtown everyday, so Im sure Im bias, but the amount of construction is staggering. Even the transformation in the last two years in pretty crazy.
New skyscraper coming: http://www.freep.com/story/money/bu...t-architecture-hudsons-development/663439001/
Old skyscraper being restored: https://detroit.curbed.com/2017/8/25/16202926/book-tower-restoration-video
Plenty of other stuff: https://detroit.curbed.com/maps/map-detroit-construction-development
Ugh post like yours really peeve me. Citys decaying with no shred of evidence.
Our decaying new arena:
The smartest decision they could do would be to choose one of the cheapest cities with a reasonable sized airport, and one not too close to other tech companies. They're in a different situation from most companies, and having a second headquarters could easily allow people to choose between a city experience (which differs somewhat from satellite offices). If they do pull in 50k peole as expected, a tech industry will form around it. Something like Denver, Kansas City, Nashville, New Orleans, or Louisville.
Pay all their workers above going rates, which is likely cheaper than most of the bigger cities, and many workers ready to start families would probably love the idea of more affordable housing that other quickly growing cities.
Pay all their workers above going rates, which is likely cheaper than most of the bigger cities, and many workers ready to start families would probably love the idea of more affordable housing that other quickly growing cities.
perfectchaos007
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In what ways is the city decaying? I walk around downtown everyday, so I'm sure I'm bias, but the amount of construction is staggering. Even the transformation in the last two years in pretty crazy.
New skyscraper coming: http://www.freep.com/story/money/bu...t-architecture-hudsons-development/663439001/
Old skyscraper being restored: https://detroit.curbed.com/2017/8/25/16202926/book-tower-restoration-video
Plenty of other stuff: https://detroit.curbed.com/maps/map-detroit-construction-development
Ugh post like yours really peeve me. ”City's decaying" with no shred of evidence.
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Well the population has been on decline for several years, which is terrible for the local economy. Also, when I visited Detroit and Windsor, the latter felt like a paradise in comparison to Detroit. Just my experience though.
What year did you visit?
The population has been declining for decades. But then there's this http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...17/07/27/detroit-population-growth/104031902/
It's really changed quite a bit in the last year or two, and the change seems to be increasing in speed exponentially.
How bad is the populaton for the local economy? Not sure why so many new businesses are opening with the terrible conditions. Food alone - https://detroit.eater.com/coming-attractions
We just got a Nike, Under Armor, two barcades in the last three months (up from zero). Point being, things aren't closing. New things are opening every week. At least give me examples of the local economy crumbling.
Aside from downtown's recent spur in new businesses, Metro Detroit ”is one of the nation's largest metropolitan economies, with seventeen Fortune 500 companies." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Detroit
One of the proposed buildings is the old Northland Mall in Southfield
As for transit, I just have a hard time believing our freeways will be able to stand up to such a massive influx of traffic. The Amazon distribution center in Livonia which is down the road from my work, will probably soon begin to impact traffic on 96. I just am skeptical our transit will hold up, not trying to undermine it at all.
In regards to schools and as someone who goes to UM Dearborn, in the immediate Detroit area only Wayne State/Dearborn have name recognition and offer programs that would be beneficial to Amazon.
Now this is just wrong. The city has been rebuilding successfully for the past 5 years.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Decline in major industries along with dealing population. Both two huge factors.
Yes, you are biased.
I'm quite sure Southfield's bid is separate from Detroit's according to this http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...pitch-new-home-amazon-headquarters/105865658/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/Detroit/comments/71l8qn/southfield_to_submit_bid_for_amazon_to_fill/
That's why I asked about required proximity for Universities. Does Amazon want students to be able to make it part of their daily commute? Or would being in the Metro area satisfy their needs?
NihonTiger90
Member
Oh my god, Southfield would be a nightmare. I'm guessing they suggested in the Mixing Bowl area? 696/Telegraph/The Lodge would be a disaster come rush hour.
EDIT: Yeah, Northland Mall site isn't far from there. Plenty of space but it's in a residential area.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
Not sure the methodology but they could be using different standards to compare.... E.g. this 2011 source says TO and Van only 30% and 28% of the pop. has undergraduate education or higher, which would rank both quite low for education compared to the 40-50% that many of those US cities apparently have. But if you look at methodology, the CAN study looks at >15 year olds but the US one looks at >25 year olds. I'm guessing MSNBC, for a 'we have nothing new to run today so please write this article before tmr' report, they may have quickly just grabbed some CDN data and included it with US data without accounting for possible methodology differences.
Either that or they're just looking at total sums, not per capita.I would imagine TO and Van are quite educated as a percentage of their cities (cities, in particular; not their metro areas, either), but Van in particularly is probably small in terms of actual totals.
It's not stopped bleeding population: https://www.google.com/publicdata/e...lation&idim=place:2622000:3916000&hl=en&dl=en
Decline in major industries? Source?
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/google-moving-suburbs-reviving-downtown-detroit-50395016
http://www.freep.com/story/money/bu...ilbert-duggan-technology-innovation/97439840/
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/amazon-opening-corporate-office-in-detroit
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/articl...to-move-150-employees-downtown-as-part-of-85m
That's just downtown. Then there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_metropolitan_Detroit . Really struggling to spot the decline in major industries. You seemed so sure, though, so mind linking me some articles?
And like I said, yes population has been declining for decades. So it's interesting that population is forecasted to grow: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...17/07/27/detroit-population-growth/104031902/
Something has to have caused the projected growth - could it be the revitalization of downtown?
I'm not arguing Detroit should be the frontrunner, I'm arguing we shouldn't be second from the bottom on CNBC's chart - which is what my initial question was about.
I think we probably shouldn't get it due to our abysmal mass transit alone.
But every other factor you or others have stated is just not very accurate (decline in population is accurate, but you're wrong about it affecting industry and you're not looking at the trend - we still have more people than plenty of cities on the list and growth is projected because of the already increasingly buzzing downtown developments). I can't wrap my head around the low airport ranking alone. We have one highest regarded airports in the nation. Apparently U of M is just out of reach to be considered a factor although it's part of our metro area? The chart doesn't make sense to me.
That graph seems to indicate it did stop the bleeding. The slope was incredibly steep and now it's beginning to slow down (i.e. bleeding stopped). Now growth is projected http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...17/07/27/detroit-population-growth/104031902/
Is Cleveland bleeding population to you too?
FalsettoVibe
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facetheslayer92
Member
This would be interesting, but our friends up the road in Philly probably should get it. Either way the DMV will face fierce, fierce competition from the likes of Philly, NYC, Boston, and Atlanta.
Had 10,000 more people voted in favor of funding and building the commuter rail and rapid-bus transit through the RTA last fall, Detroit might have a shot.
But with voters in metro Detroit, specifically Macomb, once again shunning transit, I think there is no chance. The move towards people who want to live in cities like Amazon is hoping to attract is not car transit, but walking and being shuttled by someone else. A fleet of Uber wont do.
Just give them the parking meters.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
There is just so much unused prime real estate in Philadelphia that's readily available and accessible that it does make sense. It helps that its not big in square area but very dense in populous.
Maybe where Tastykake was in north Philly?
Maybe where Tastykake was in north Philly?
lmao if you think Amazon would move to Nicetown
katsubento
Member
DiscoJer
Member
Honestly, I'd like them to pick a distressed area/ If you want to prove you are a progressive company, go to a place where the people aren't rich and is already gentrified.
Yup, I agree. I edited a post above to add:
me said:
As an avid walker it does suck. Things have been getting better, but still suck compared to other big cities.
Some interesting things:
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2016/06/detroit_jumps_into_top_3_for_i.html
The "Spirit Plaza" pedestrian area that was blocked off for a three month experiment on Woodward is being made permanent because of how successful it was. Now they're planning more ways to develop it:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...etroit-plaza-stay-open-permanently/741412001/
I know it's dumb to laud, but the bike share thing has been a major success:
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/articl...-bike-ridership-goal-more-than-6-months-early
I have to believe that'll expand (woo hoo bikes... I know, give me some damn mass transit that's not the dumb QLine or People Mover)
I'm excited for this:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...bike-path-around-detroit-progresses/30672891/
Not even gonna post anything about the QLine because I kind of hate it. It looks cool, but that's about it. I have the app on my phone and at least once a day I get the "delayed, car on tracks" message. When all it takes is one idiot to disrupt the entire system, it's bound to suck.
Hmmm.. I'll bring up Detroit here again
We're a red state now :'(
Detroit public schools are bad. Plenty of people outside downtown are not rich.
And we're a diverse area. Who's at the top of this list? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_with_large_African-American_populations
Could help with their diversity issue.
Imma leave this here: https://youtu.be/DO4J_PC1b5M
I don't think you understand supply and demand.
renegade_dewitt
Member
I wonder why the none of the Bay Area cities didn't bid....
Because it's a shitshow here as it is. Can't deal with another 50k well paid people and their families on top of what we already have coming in the pipe the next five years.